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Re: R44 or R46? |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 29 13:06:06 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. It looks like a 44 to me too Chris, just like the ones I rode back in the early/mid 70's on the D.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 13:09:58 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. For the description, see:http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?26149 I wish NYC subway cars had their car numbers on the car ends as well as the sides. |
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Posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:17:06 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. It's an R-44. Look at the safety chain. The R-44 had a one piece door cover and hanger assembly on the end of the safety chain. When it was not stored properly, but hung across the storm door, as here, you get the unsightly hole where the chain should be stored. The R-46 had a hinged door over the pocket where the safety chain was stored. If this were an R-46 you would have been able to see the open door next to the storage space for the safety chain. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:23:29 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:17:06 2005. That's the kind of thing I was looking for. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 13:28:17 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:17:06 2005. I see the difference you are talking about:R-44 R-46 But, I don't think the photo Chris posted is clear enough to tell, because below is a photo of an R-46 where you can't see the open door next to the hole: http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?1709 |
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Posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:38:04 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 13:28:17 2005. It appears to me that the door is missing on that car. If one looks at Chris' picture, about half way up the "D", I believe one can see the lip of metal on which the cover for the opening was hung. I would also submit, barring telephotography, that the distance from the cab window, to the motorman, to the rear cab wall suggests the narrow R-44 cab. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 13:42:55 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. The sign and the small door seapating the cab from passenger area tells me that it's a R-44, as I've never seen a R-46 with that sign. This is around the time (maybe a bit early) that a bunch of R-46 were sent to the D line. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 13:45:29 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:38:04 2005. Ok. Thanks for explaining it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:49:16 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:38:04 2005. Also, for fair comparison, we should look at R46 pics before GOH, like this: 
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Posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:49:58 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 13:42:55 2005. I went to motors in April 1979. The "D" line was R-44 equipment with some other stuff mixed in. When the R-46 trucks began to crack a couple/few years later, they spread the wealth and put some on the "D". This way no particular line would suffer too much when they were pulled from service after the rush hour. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 13:53:33 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. It's a 44 alright...You can tell by the off center cab window... |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 13:56:21 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:49:16 2005. As you can see..the 46's FULL cab door window is much larger on the 46 ,than the 44's...The 46 also has a better built car body...not that you can tell from the photo. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:58:31 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 13:56:21 2005. The only way I could tell is the bulkhead signage, but that's not always definitive. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 16:58:22 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by egis semaly on Fri Jul 29 13:49:58 2005. Yes,...and those R-46 were all over. They were on the A, CC, D, E, F, GG and N lines. At the time the D line equipment mainly consisted of R-40M/R-42, but R-27/30, R-32 and R-38 showed up on the D as well. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Jul 29 17:03:25 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 16:58:22 2005. As far as the R46s, not quite.By the time the "CC" received the R46s, the "D" went back to R44s. The R46s were not operated on the "GG" for whatever reason (at least I have not witness them). Also from what I remember they were not on the "N" because they were banned from operating on the Manhattan Bridge. The time I am speaking of is from the summer of 1980 until January, 1981. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 23:50:44 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Fri Jul 29 17:03:25 2005. Yes, I know it didn't all happen at once. In fact I remember when the D line R-46 suddenly showed up in CC service, seemingly overnight and R-44 returned to the D. However, I do remember R-46s on the GG earlier around '78 give or take a year. I don't remember them being pulled from the N line, but you may be correct. I do remember when the TA played a huge game of musical car-classes around the time you mentioned when R-10s showed up on the E, F and GG lines, R27/30s, R-32 just about everywhere. I think the R-40M and R-42s were probably the only cars on the IND/BMT that didn't shipped all over.Those were some interesting years. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 30 13:08:41 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 23:50:44 2005. I rode the R46 on the GG and N extensively during the 1985-86 era. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Sat Jul 30 17:54:52 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. Just a bit from the actual topic, but, the photo looks like a 6-car consist .. or, is my vision going bad? |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 3 17:34:02 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 23:50:44 2005. You are right, the R46s definately were on the "GG" as well as the "N" around 1978-79. I don't know when the ban was placed on the R46s but I know it was in effect by 1980/81 and off by 1982.The "GG" for some reason was treated like the Queens Blvd "stepchild" during 1978-79, you would catch very few R46s on the "GG" during rush hours. However, during non-rush hours, when the TA would shorten trains, that is when the "GG" was entirely R46s. Then after '79 or '80, they just disappeared altogether. At that point, the R10s provided service during "normal hours" and the R32s provided service all other times. The R46s didn't appear on the "GG" on a regular basis until either 86 or 87. Then taken off again around 1989 once there was enough rebuilt R32s to go around. The R46s didn't comeback until 1990, and has been there every since. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 3 17:45:31 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Wed Aug 3 17:34:02 2005. I rode R46 GG trains regularly in 1986, although more than a consist or two was rare on any given day. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Aug 3 17:54:51 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by WayneJay on Fri Jul 29 23:50:44 2005. yeah they stuck mainly on the D during thye days before rebuilding... |
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How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 3 19:40:31 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. Safety chain doors could be missing on either class. There was one sure way of telling from the head-on view. Look just below the headliights. On the Pre-GOH R-46 there was a locked door on both sides to accommodate trainline jumper cables. There were no such doors on the R-44. They were very visible on the pre-GOH R-46s. You can see where the fiberglass bonnets were repaired on the post-GOH R-46s. |
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Re: How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 3 21:49:07 2005, in response to How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 3 19:40:31 2005. Cool. Thanks. I just looked for the blue stripe. |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Wed Aug 3 22:12:35 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. I'd guess 46.... none of that mess under the side doorsteps like the 44s have... unless those were added on after GOH |
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Re: How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 3 22:14:57 2005, in response to Re: How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 3 21:49:07 2005. Errr, maybe you misunderstood. The R-44 & R-46 had the blue stripe pre-GOH. Only the R-46 had the little doors on the ends of the car. |
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Re: How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Aug 3 22:17:31 2005, in response to Re: How to tell! Pre-GOH : R44 or R46?, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 3 22:14:57 2005. Yeah, I meant how to tell the pre and post GOH, not from each other. DOH! |
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Posted by Sa-Ceu! on Fri Aug 5 00:02:12 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Sat Jul 30 17:54:52 2005. I See 8, bro... but its a bit tough to tell... |
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Posted by R30A on Fri Aug 5 00:07:51 2005, in response to Re: R44 or R46?, posted by AcelaExpress2005 - R160 on Sat Jul 30 17:54:52 2005. Why wouldnt it be a 6 car conist? |
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Posted by Arrow III MU on Fri Aug 5 20:41:36 2005, in response to R44 or R46?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 13:02:01 2005. It's an R44. The cab door and roll sign are a dead give-away.Professor J |
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