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MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013

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Locked in endless struggle with the rodents that infest the subway, transit officials have tried poison and deadly traps. They've blocked rat-size pathways into tempting trash rooms and removed garbage cans from station platforms.

Now, they're ready to try birth control.

Working with SenesTech Inc., the Metropolitan Transportation Authority is launching the first urban trial of a pest-control bait that induces permanent infertility in rats. The product has succeeded in rural environments, lowering rodent populations without harming other animals, crops or humans.

In New York, however, the company faces a new and vexing challenge: Big-city rodents have developed more sophisticated palates than their country counterparts, who have been lured into switching from grains or other foods to the bait.

"Rats in Laos, they like coconut. But the rats in Indonesia prefer fish flavor," Loretta Mayer, co-founder of Arizona-based SenesTech, said of the regional variation in rat appetites. "You have to be very much one with the animal."

But winning over rattus Norvegicus, the species common to New York, means making bait that's more alluring than the pizza crusts, discarded Chinese takeout and cold French fries littering the subway system. It is a difficulty the company acknowledged in a grant application to the National Institutes of Health, which has put up more than $1 million to finance tests of its sterilizing product, ContraPest, in a metropolitan setting.

Existing baits, the company wrote, are hampered in cities by "the abundance of more palatable food choices (i.e. trash)."

Later this month, Dr. Mayer and her colleagues will launch a rodent taste test in a handful of subway trash rooms. The scientists will spread birth-control bait of different flavors and scents. Should other available food scraps prove too tantalizing, Dr. Mayer didn't rule out resorting to using pieces of pepperoni.

"We really won't know [what works] until we get in there," she said.

In one area of the subway, SenesTech specialists might try a version of the birth-control bait that mimics the smell of a snack that Robert Corrigan, a renowned rodentologist and adviser to the city, has used in his own traps: chicken nuggets.

Dr. Corrigan has seen the resilience of New York City rats in the face of conventional poison schemes. Females start breeding at four months old and give birth to litters of a half-dozen offspring about four times per year, he said, meaning any poison has to outpace reproduction.

Dead rats don't necessarily mean fewer rats in the long run, said Thomas Lamb, chief of innovation and technology for New York City Transit. By lowering the competition for food, successful poisons tend to make the survivors more healthy and fertile, leading to a rapid rebound in the pest population.

Rats eventually outsmart even the best poisons. "It doesn't take them long to figure out, 'Hey, Uncle Charlie croaked after eating that,'" Mr. Lamb said.

"We basically bait, trap and kill," he said of the status quo. "If we just continue to do that, every year we'll have the same expense and the same result."

Dr. Mayer's invention, by contrast, induces an early-onset menopause, eliminating future generations of pests.

"It's a very natural thing," she said. "We're just accelerating it in these animals."

The product metabolizes into inactive compounds within hours of being ingested, she said, a feature crucial to its development for use in rice fields in Asia, where farmers needed something that wouldn't sicken other animals and children. The chemical won't leach into water or climb back up the food chain to affect other species.

The goal, Dr. Mayer said, isn't Rat Zero: "Our product is not designed to eradicate any species. That's a human error that needs to not be repeated."

The bait contains dye, which will be measured in a black-light examination of rat whiskers to reveal how quickly subway critters consume the ContraPest and whether a change to a more flavorful recipe might be needed.

"They'll either have to change the ingredients or put it out with a hamburger or whatever the heck the rats are eating," Mr. Lamb said.

Picking the most effective flavor and scent for the bait depends in large part on the specific rats, Dr. Corrigan explained in an email. If subway rats have grown up eating from the trash bags and track litter of the subway system, those foods will prove most enticing.

It's nurture as much as nature: "Rats that grow up, say, from the dumpster behind a fast food chicken place, will love chicken," Dr. Corrigan said. "Bagel place, bagels. And so on."

Also on Dr. Corrigan's list of scents and flavors most appetizing to subway rats: doughnuts, cookies, chocolate bars, peanuts, mayonnaise packets, apples and cucumbers.

If the SenesTech taste test proves successful and birth-control bait is used throughout the transit system, the average life span of subway rats—which now tops out at about one year, according to Mr. Lamb—would probably rise slightly even as the total population declines.

Indeed, Mr. Lamb said the MTA's goal is to carefully manage a smaller rat population that is less likely to make shriek-inducing treks across subway stations in search of sustenance.

Keeping some rats around is actually a little useful. "They do eat cockroaches and things like that," Mr. Lamb said.

---http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324662404578334430034347550.html

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 02:11:09 2013, in response to MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013.

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LOVE the graphic! I can save those scientist types some effort ... same thing is a fave for country mice ... PEANUT butter. Always giggled over folks believing that rodents like cheese ... they don't. Peanut butter on the other hand is "to die for" ... :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 02:36:50 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 02:11:09 2013.

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Always giggled over folks believing that rodents like cheese ... they don't.

Didn't that trope originate with a Tom & Jerry cartoon or something? I'd look it up but if I go to TVTropes now I'll be up all night! :)

I'm pretty sure the average rodent is lactose intolerant but I used to have a hamster that ate chocolate.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 03:33:19 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 02:36:50 2013.

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And yet chocolate can kill a dog, so it's claimed. Out in the sticks, there's plenty of rodents on the loose and the entire objective is stay out of the house. When they come in, baited traps await to dispatch them to toontown. :)

Peanut butter really works though in traps - far better than anything else. But the absolute BEST way of ridding an area with rodents is snakes. In fact they show up when there's abundant rodentia. However I suspect city folks would get even more unnerved by snakes than rats, but that's a guess. Heh.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by R160A A Train on Sun Mar 3 07:53:31 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 03:33:19 2013.

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I can see the mass hysteria when a snake pops out a hole at 42 St-Time Sq Station. It'll be the emptiest you'll see a station since Sandy!

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by monorail on Sun Mar 3 09:46:17 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 03:33:19 2013.

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'However I suspect city folks would get even more unnerved by snakes than rats, but that's a guess.'


there's at least 1 snake working at the control center....

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 09:50:38 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 03:33:19 2013.

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Hey, I don't mind snakes.

Though historically, my family has just kept cats.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:53:25 2013, in response to MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013.

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What does the church think about birth control for rats!

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:55:20 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by monorail on Sun Mar 3 09:46:17 2013.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Mar 3 10:40:11 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 03:33:19 2013.

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Those rats in the subway are aggressive, snakes might get killed by the rats, matter of fact, the snakes might end up becoming food for the rats!

They suggest that people DON'T feed their pet snakes the mice that run around their apartment as that mice might end up the eating the snake, I have heard one example of that happening.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Mar 3 11:00:37 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:53:25 2013.

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Any rat using birth control will be excommunicated.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 11:42:23 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 02:11:09 2013.

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I 2nd the peanut butter thing. I've caught a few mice using that as bait.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:42:58 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:53:25 2013.

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What does feminism think about forcing early menopause on female rats, but leaving the males untouched? Patriarchy lives.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 11:45:21 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Mar 3 10:40:11 2013.

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And you might end up with more snake guts if they get chopped up by the train running over them. Then again at least with a snake the probably can't slither as fast or climb as well as a rat can :)
Don't we have an over population of stray cats? Why not round them up and unleash them on the rats?

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 11:46:07 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:42:58 2013.

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lol!

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:58:58 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 02:11:09 2013.

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Contrary to the "contrary to popular belief" saying that rats (don't know about other rodents) don't like cheese, they do, though plain cheese is not a favorite.

A researcher with extensive behavioral experience with rats ran a controlled experiment (apparently to satisfy his own curiosity) in which he decided that a rat's favorite foods are scrambled eggs, mac and cheese and cob corn. I've duplicated this finding with my daughter's pet rats, except I'd reverse that order: rats will run and beg for corn every single day.

Simple rule of thumb: rats have very similar physical makeup to humans, which is why they are such popular test animals. If a human likes to eat it, so does a rat.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 12:07:52 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 11:45:21 2013.

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Trust me, if they put enough snakes or feral cats in the subway to subdue the rats, people would be begging for the rats back.

Of course the cat problem could be solved by putting coyotes in the subway (which may happen anyway). Plus coyotes have dividends. Rather than spend a fortune on count-down clocks, coyotes could be trained to howl when your train is coming. Maybe even a different howl for different lines. They're smart.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Mar 3 12:35:16 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by R160A A Train on Sun Mar 3 07:53:31 2013.

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I've killed several rats with a combination of flour and plaster of paris, the next time if I see them they're dead works every time. Karl

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 12:49:21 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Sun Mar 3 12:35:16 2013.

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The issue isn't how to kill rats; there are lots of ways. It's how to see that a dead rat isn't shortly replaced with a shiny new rat.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 13:11:51 2013, in response to MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013.

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Shouldn't that guy be ticketed for eating on the subway. He should have put his lunch in a brown paper bag and eaten it later.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 3 15:06:02 2013, in response to MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013.

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Rats eventually outsmart even the best poisons. "It doesn't take them long to figure out,'Hey, Uncle Charlie croaked after eating that,'" Mr. Lamb said.


LOL

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 15:31:45 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 12:07:52 2013.

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lol! That reminds me of an old looney toons cartoon where daffy owns a hotel and starts charging enormous rates to porky pig to rent an animal to get rid of the previous pest.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by blue8irt on Sun Mar 3 16:39:01 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Mar 3 15:06:02 2013.

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Highly educational.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 3 18:29:00 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:53:25 2013.

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As long as nobody baptizes them, they can practice birth control all they want!

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:14:45 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by monorail on Sun Mar 3 09:46:17 2013.

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Oh I'm sure they're evenly distributed throughout ... the worst part though is the snake sex - all that wriggling and hissing. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:15:16 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 09:50:38 2013.

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Yeah, up here, this certainly ain't Ireland. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:16:58 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Mar 3 10:40:11 2013.

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Yeah, I've heard that too. Only said it works, didn't say it's the greatest idea in the world. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:19:54 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 11:42:23 2013.

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Lots of deer mice, field mice and such up here. I was amazed at how well it works.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:21:00 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:58:58 2013.

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Well if THAT'S the case, then the MTA needs to come up with a pizza budget. With pepperoni. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:23:35 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:42:58 2013.

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I think they signed off on it because putting on rat rubbers is difficult and they keep falling off at the worst time. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:27:58 2013, in response to MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Mar 3 01:27:22 2013.

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I think I see why they've been having problems with the old bait. I don't think those little blue pills were such a great idea. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 20:27:14 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:15:16 2013.

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I should consider getting a snake.

I'm allergic to cats.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 20:49:34 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Nilet on Sun Mar 3 20:27:14 2013.

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Python ... more than just a programming language. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 20:49:57 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:19:54 2013.

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Indeed. They aren't choosy either. I had an expired jar since I forgot about it and it still worked. Lol, and in case you were wondering, it was a jif pb.

The electric traps are the best, 4 aa battery powered ones. Zap, dump, clean and repeat :) no mess other than the half eaten pb.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 20:52:27 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 20:49:57 2013.

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Yep ... that's the brand we use too. :)

I'm old school though - Victor snappers, set on "hair trigger" ...

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 21:15:34 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 20:52:27 2013.

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Heh, too messy IMO. Plus dont need to see the mess. I'd rather peak into the box and see if it is empty or not ;)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 21:21:03 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 21:15:34 2013.

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Well ... TV being what it is lately, and few EDP's to observe, that's entertainment out here when subchat is slow. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Sun Mar 3 21:49:04 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 21:21:03 2013.

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Lol

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by monorail on Mon Mar 4 02:39:22 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 19:14:45 2013.

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:)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 4 10:37:07 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Mar 3 20:52:27 2013.

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LION used glue traps when him worked at St. Francis. Set them along the walls where mice and or rats run, and they stay caught. Wiggling and fighting, you just dump the whole thing in the trash.

Gave one to the guy across the street. He asked me how you got the mouse out of the trap. He said he pulled on it and the mouse pulled apart.

PS. Its time for Breakfast, who has the Sticky Buns?


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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Mar 4 13:13:31 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SLRT on Sun Mar 3 11:42:58 2013.

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We'll just have to give the bull rats Viagra, in doses high enough to last eight hours, so they'll exhaust themselves screwing, or drag their woodies across a third rail and cook themselves when they short out.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 18:02:13 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 4 10:37:07 2013.

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That's kinda sadistic in my book. Dispatch them quickly is better in my mind, but I guess that's me.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by trains61 on Mon Mar 4 18:12:39 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 18:02:13 2013.

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Awww, Don`t mind him. Yaknow how cats like to play with their food...


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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Mar 4 18:37:17 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by trains61 on Mon Mar 4 18:12:39 2013.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 18:44:48 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by trains61 on Mon Mar 4 18:12:39 2013.

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So give kitty a cheezburger and they can play with the ketchup packet. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 4 19:23:42 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Mar 3 09:53:25 2013.

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Reminds me of the papal marching song concerning birth control "Walkin In Rythim"!!

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Mar 4 19:28:54 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 18:02:13 2013.

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Fold the glue trap and step on it?

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 19:41:29 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Grand concourse on Mon Mar 4 19:28:54 2013.

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Better ... I suppose. We did try that once and all we ended up with was a panicked mouse banging into walls dragging the trap around. Grabbed the trap AND the live rodent and tossed it outside. I imagine a snake got it because we never saw the trap again. That poor snake. :)

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Mar 4 22:23:12 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Mar 4 19:23:42 2013.

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I'd imagine the rats would have their own pope: Crdinal Joseph Ratzinger.

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Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait

Posted by Grand concourse on Mon Mar 4 23:38:52 2013, in response to Re: MTA Sets New Tactic In Rat War with Rodent Birth-Control bait, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 4 19:41:29 2013.

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My cousin caught a mouse in a glue trap. This kind had raised edges so it isnt totally flat and it was kinda easy to fold it. I had the idea to put the trap (folded) in a plastic bag, tie the top (not too tight), and then stomping. That way no worries on the mouse somehow getting loose. A hopefully quick death. It was kinda creepy at first when I saw it was still squeeking. I had no idea how long it was stuck there, so it had to be recent.

If you have those flat glue traps, they are useless. They still haven't caught anything but small bugs. There was a waterbug that got stuck on one and I thought it was dead. When I was going to fold the trap up and throw it out, the bug managed to get loose and I had to squash it with a shoe before it got away.

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