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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 21:25:30 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 21:23:02 2005. Yeah, I remember the "wrecks" mixed in with the green ones when I used to ride the C back then. It was a toss-up whether you would get one of the green ones or one of the grafittied ones for quite a while. |
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Posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 21:28:41 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 28 19:30:35 2005. Huh..I rode them on Every BMT IND line except the N and R..Near the end..they were mostly on the Eastern division lines..like the J,K,L...they stop running on the M in 1973.... Then they ran on the J only...untill 77.. |
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Posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 21:37:48 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 21:00:57 2005. When I first came here to NYC...most subway cars were that dark green color that made them look black...The R10's were that pretty color that looked like the Worlds Fair 33/36's... We had some red cars around..but mostly on the IRT... |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jul 28 21:44:27 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 21:28:41 2005. I wasn't born yet when they were retired.When I meant well designed, the trains were very good (abeit not innovative in terms of technology) when they came out. The had the good speed, comfortable, and had excellent capacity. When I meant well built, I meant they were very sturdily constructed. From what I heard they could have survived into the 1980s if they weren't replaced by the R44/46s. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jul 28 21:55:59 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by American Pig on Thu Jul 28 19:48:52 2005. I think what he meant is that there is a new entrance one block north.wayne |
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Posted by R32 on Thu Jul 28 23:47:57 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 21:02:10 2005. Well, they certainly were there.R-32. |
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Posted by R32 on Thu Jul 28 23:56:21 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 21:10:46 2005. Yeah, and I remember as a kid, the LIRR was barely a stone's throw from the J train. I could see them in the distance while walking to the el.R-32. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Thu Jul 28 23:56:55 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 21:37:48 2005. The R29/33/36 ML were delivered bright red. R21/22/26/27/28/30/30A were kale green. |
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Posted by R32 on Fri Jul 29 00:18:29 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 19:52:16 2005. Ohhhh yeaah! We're just missing all of the rubbish on the floor, and bingo.... right at home in the early to mid '80's.Well lets see; we've got two r17's, an r27,42, and 46. My only question is: is that a 32 or a 38 in the middle picture? She sure is a beauty - miss all those straphangers. Hah, now they sell them in the transit museum. There is/was a book on just this subject. It was called subway art - all the grafitti you wanted from the early '70's to mid '80's. All those beautiful IRT cars with pieces on them. R-32. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 00:28:14 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R42 4787 on Thu Jul 28 23:56:55 2005. Umm..I know this already.Known it for a very long time..but thank you. Some may NOT have know it. By the way..most of the R12/14/15 kep the original colors for year untill some body thought it would be cool to paint them RED. You cannot imagine how UGLY those cars looked. After that ..the MTA got hold of them and painted them silver with that blue stripe. That began the long drawn out mass painting of everything to silver and blue..even the R 4-9's. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 29 00:54:59 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 20:02:12 2005.  I remember the Arnines Holding down all of the Queensboro and Sixth Avenue Lines... Everyting, in fact except the (A) trains which were R-10s (Built the same year I was born) I remember riding the 3rd Avenue El. IN MANHATTAN! ☺ 
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Posted by Thirty-Third St. on Fri Jul 29 01:09:08 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 20:02:12 2005. You and my father are the same way. He vaguely recalls riding the R9's on the Canarsie line sometime in the 60's or 70's. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 01:20:00 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Thirty-Third St. on Fri Jul 29 01:09:08 2005. 1968-69...They started phasing out the A/B then...moved the 16's to Queens...and brought over R7/9's for KK service. A few were already running on the QJ out of Coney Island...but as the R40/40M cars came in..[to Jamaica Yard],the r7/9 were pushed out to ENY. Soon.. they took over service on the KK/LL and M... The LL HAD a set of R40M cars..that didn't sick around long.. The M ran a few R42...And so did the KK... The KK EVEN ran a set of 27/30's once in a while. But that was it. |
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Posted by vengence on Fri Jul 29 01:31:12 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 14:24:53 2005. The 60's 70's...the 27/30's ruled the RR/QB...QJ/J..32 B/D/N... 38 E/F GG/N 40's E/F.. 42's Where ever they could place them fast enough.. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Jul 29 01:31:51 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 28 17:28:39 2005. So, did the sign come from an R-16? |
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Posted by American Pig on Fri Jul 29 01:36:05 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jul 28 21:55:59 2005. I'm pretty sure that's not what he meant but it is true. There is still an exit onto Park Place.To enter, send me your parents' brains. Or write "Parents' brains" on a three by five card, and click here. |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:18:38 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jul 28 16:16:13 2005. Robert Hall VillageTimes Square Stores Caldor's Kmart |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:27:24 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Jul 28 16:32:48 2005. EXCELLENT PHOTOSGREAT COMPOSITION COULDN'T HAVE DONE BETTER MYSELF thanks for showing my photos |
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Posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:29:31 2005, in response to Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 14:19:46 2005. actually, this shot was taken AFTER the station burnedand AFTER it was repaired the station canopy was a lot longer prior to the fire the signal to the right was covered by the canopy |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 29 03:51:33 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:18:38 2005. Other side:Bohack Waldbaums Toys R' Us |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Jul 29 06:40:46 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 29 03:51:33 2005. I wasn't sure what was the order of stores over there. |
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Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Fri Jul 29 07:10:01 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jul 28 16:11:59 2005. This is the Robert Hall ad/jingle I recall:"Where the values go up, up ,up And the prices go down, down, down Robert Hall will show you The reason they give you High quality, economy!" I don't recall ever entering a Robert Hall store, but I was often in Bond's Clothing Store - first at the corner of 164 St and Jamaica Av (now Modells), later on in the Green Acres Mall (first in the northwest corner, near Macys, now Modells; later in the southwest section, approximately where Waldenbooks is now). |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 29 08:29:20 2005, in response to Re: Robert Hall radio jingle, posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Fri Jul 29 07:10:01 2005. I remember that jimgle, too. There was a Robert Hall on Rt. 23 in Jersey a mile or so north of US 46/I-80 that we went to once. |
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Posted by Paul Mr. J Train on Fri Jul 29 09:17:57 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Broadway Junction on Thu Jul 28 16:32:48 2005. I rember when these cars were on the J line and they were quite uncomfortable without A/C but they worked well until they were retired. I also rember the green R-10s on the C and they were absolute ovens in the summer. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:27:37 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 14:35:15 2005. Appropriateness in the pix of 8513. It's mate, 8512, was destroyed in the fire when the wooden platform burnt down. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:32:02 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 15:19:48 2005. That station should be called "Eastern Pkwy" and not "Botanic Garden." There is a sign on the southbound BG Franklin Shuttle platform advising passengers to take the Manhattan bound 2 or 3 one stop if the wish to go to the Botanical Gardens or Brooklyn Museum. If they don't read the sign..... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:33:30 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Jul 28 16:24:41 2005. You'll never make THAT mistake again! |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:42:15 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jul 28 14:24:53 2005. While the R7/7A/9's were on the Eastern Division, the R27/30's were found on the Southern Division. Post Chrystie St. through routed on the QJ and appeared on B/D on occasion, but started their existence down there. A mainstay on the RR, QB/QT, they also held down all weekend southern division service before the R32's were delivered. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:44:55 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 19:58:32 2005. Yes the R16's were on the RR. They had pasted 95th St. destination sign stickers on the outside sign box glass. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:46:45 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 20:35:07 2005. They ran R27/30's in weekend F service during the R46 truck crisis. They used 8 car M layups from the southern end. I operated them when I was a conductor. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:50:02 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:18:38 2005. That mall is a jinx. So many of the big stores in the history of that mall went bankrupt. Kmart is on shaky footing right now, not many left. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:58:29 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by vengence on Thu Jul 28 19:07:49 2005. Believe me, there were plenty of R1/9's with so many dead motors they could hardly get out of their own way. On the LL line, I can't tell you how many times I was worried that they wouldn't have enough power to make it to Bedford Ave. But if you rode a train with no or one or two dead motors, they were rockets! The R1/9's were powerful cars. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 10:02:03 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:58:29 2005. But if you rode a train with no or one or two dead motors, they were rockets!Yes, I experienced this on the MOD trips and the in-service trips last Fall. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 10:03:19 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R32 on Fri Jul 29 00:18:29 2005. R38 taken at 207 St. station. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 10:05:51 2005, in response to Broad St Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 14:52:55 2005. The good old days when the motorman could wear a nice warm coat and hat: his own. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 10:20:21 2005, in response to Re: Broad St Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R32 on Thu Jul 28 18:32:51 2005. I operated them plenty on the D when I was a rookie. One pick, I operated the 7:57 PM from Stillwell, a put-in since it was the first D out of there after Brighton Beach service stopped running for the evening. The last M left Stillwell at 7:49 PM at that time. The equipment was supposed to be an early layup from Brighton Beach, held in Stillwell Yard till needed for that interval. Many times there was no D consist available for various reasons so an 8 car M train lay-up was substituted. Do you know how many times I went uptown with M signs on all cars except the c/r cars? I barely had enough time to change the head signs let alone the side signs in my car. Once it got uptown, they made sure it came back to get laid up and go back to M/QB service for the next morning. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 10:59:08 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 29 00:54:59 2005. I remember riding the 3rd Avenue El. I remember Cecil "It was a glorious summer at Oxford wen I met Freddy Cavendish" ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 11:00:41 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:32:02 2005. I hope someone got fired for that. |
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Posted by Rail Blue on Fri Jul 29 11:04:46 2005, in response to Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 14:19:46 2005. Nice. That right-hand train looks like it should say MM on the rollsign! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 11:08:43 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:42:15 2005. That was before my time. Anything before 1985 was before my time (outside the J and A lines). |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 29 11:52:12 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by R42 4787 on Thu Jul 28 23:56:55 2005. Weren't thr R-17s originally delivered in a maroon color? Then in 1967, some were repainted in a bright red, and a few had the great 60s TA logo attached. Alas, there are no pics to be found of an R-17 w/ logo :( |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Fri Jul 29 18:15:54 2005, in response to M redbird photos, posted by monorail on Fri Jul 29 02:27:24 2005. LOL! You took those? Cool!Did they ever turn up on the Z? |
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Posted by Broadway Junction on Fri Jul 29 18:16:59 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 29 03:51:33 2005. Was the downstairs portion in existance back then? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Fri Jul 29 18:27:05 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 29 09:33:30 2005. It was my fault. I looked at the list of booths where the agent was going on vacation, I saw Park Place and thought it was Manhattan.Actually Park Place wasn't that bad a booth. When I went to meal, I took the shuttle to Botanic Gardens (Franklin/2)for something to eat. In fact about 3 weeks later I worked the booth at Botanic Gardens what that agent went on vacation. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 18:43:45 2005, in response to Re: M redbird photos, posted by Broadway Junction on Fri Jul 29 18:15:54 2005. Yes! Bizarrely, the Z rollsigns on the R30's contained no route information, just a centered brown Z bullet. By the end of January 1989 the R30's were gone for good on the J/Z. They soldiered on a bit longer on the M and L. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Jul 29 20:19:50 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 11:08:43 2005. A mere babe in the woods :-) |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Fri Jul 29 20:22:27 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 29 11:52:12 2005. R17s were maroon, some did go bright red around 1965. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 20:37:49 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by MJF on Fri Jul 29 20:19:50 2005. Well, I'm 33, but I didn't begin exploring the system on my own until I was 13. |
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Posted by MJF on Fri Jul 29 20:58:21 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 20:37:49 2005. I got 9 years on you. I started exploring the system on my own around 1975 (coincided with my bus pass from JHS109Q). But I have memories of the system as far back as the late '60s. Growing up in Queens Village I vividly remember R9s, 38s, slant 40s on the Queens Blvd lines. One time my father, who grew up in Brownsville, wanted to go to the Lower East Side via the QJ instead of the F. It was like going to another city altogether. Took the bus past 179 to the 165th St Terminal and walked to Jamaica Av. Going up to the train instead of down the steps. Riding a red R27 instead of an R9. Narrow wooden platform instead of concrete & girders. Very weird.I remember when the R44s came to the E & F. I remember R16s on the EE & GG. I remeber the R36s on the 7 in their original colors AND the 7 Line strip map on the interior. The system had a lot of variety back then. You caught it at the tail end of that era. I think many of the poster on this board have childhood memories of the system when it became sterile, 1990 & on. The way I see it today. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 23:36:20 2005, in response to Re: Metropolitan Ave, posted by MJF on Fri Jul 29 20:58:21 2005. My pre '85 memories consist of whatever passed by my home on the J line and an occasional trip on that and the A. |
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