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A R142A to R188 conversion question |
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Posted by 5119 on Fri Jan 11 17:49:09 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Allan on Thu Jan 10 18:51:04 2013. You mean 5303-5402 |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Jan 11 19:14:11 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Ian Lennon on Fri Jan 11 06:15:21 2013. Heres how the Steinway tunnel Queensbound grade problen can be resolved. Remove that timer just past the first ave crossover so trains can get a little guiddyup momentum attacking the big hill before VJ. Less strain on the motors, less juice used & a nice breeze on the Vernon-Jackson platform! |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:25:08 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Jan 11 19:14:11 2013. I'm trying to remember which side the jog is on down there ... where the original tunnel didn't quite meet perfectly and so there's a jog in the tracks. Is that outbound or inbound from Manhattan? If it's outbound, that might explain that timer. |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:29:43 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:25:08 2013. I think they fixed that "jog"..... It was Queens Bound if i recall... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:34:29 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:29:43 2013. That's what I was thinking, but wasn't sure. Been too long. Heh.Well then ... if the lurch is gone, baseball bat to that timer! |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:38:47 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:34:29 2013. Why would you want to bust up a perfectly good timer like that?Thats not the B Div.... |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:41:46 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:38:47 2013. To bring it home of course. :)Do they even HAVE two shots over there? Heh. |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:44:30 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:25:08 2013. Well once CBTC is installed the timer are null and void. The L Line dose 55 in CBTC, so why not the 7 line? |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:46:37 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:44:30 2013. Because it's A division. Gravity doesn't apply over there. :) |
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Re: A R142A to R188 conversion question |
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Posted by Allan on Fri Jan 11 19:48:36 2013, in response to A R142A to R188 conversion question, posted by 5119 on Fri Jan 11 17:49:09 2013. 5303-5377 were LoV trailers with compressors.5378-5402 were just ordinary trailers so they were the last ones ordered. |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:49:56 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:46:37 2013. Pay the B Div T/O No mind....:P |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:53:43 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:49:56 2013. I don' mind. :) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:53:55 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:49:56 2013. Your a B Div T/O, you gave up our A Div title once you said you were never going back. |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:54:53 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:53:55 2013. Is there some sort of twelve step program for former A division types? :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:55:13 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:53:55 2013. Negative Once you A Div always A Div even though im not going back you dont give up 7 years.... |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:55:44 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:54:53 2013. No Steps Needed we had to come over here to shows these suckas HOW to move trains.... |
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Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:57:36 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:55:13 2013. From what I've heard, you run like hell in case them 7 years finds you. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:58:07 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:55:44 2013. Uh-huh.DeKalb. Murphy. Run rings around you logically there. :) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:58:11 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 19:55:44 2013. I know how to move my train. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:58:59 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 19:58:11 2013. But you REALLY haven't done B division until your train leaves without you. (think 44's) ... :) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 20:02:10 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:58:59 2013. I never heard about that happening unless someone jumps into the cab. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:03:06 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 20:02:10 2013. When the 44's first came on board, they were known to leave the terminal all by themselves. Sorta like arnines if you didn't set enough handbrakes. But the 44's took POWER all by their lonesomes. Ask around! :) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 20:03:57 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:03:06 2013. I will, but there not to many old timer who remember the 44's when they were new. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:04:42 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri Jan 11 20:03:57 2013. We might turn up one or two here ... but seriously ... happened several times. :) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 20:14:41 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:58:59 2013. Yeah that P Wire thingy... |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Jan 11 20:20:05 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:04:42 2013. I'd care to hear some stories |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:25:35 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jan 11 20:14:41 2013. Or as the folks down there referred to it, "Pee wire." :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:26:38 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Jan 11 20:20:05 2013. I was out of there by the time they came out, so no first hand story here. I know there's folks with first hand on it - hopefully RandyO or some others will chide in. I know he was around for it. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:17:10 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:54:53 2013. No, we just get up and go.... |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:20:33 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Fisk ave Jim on Fri Jan 11 19:14:11 2013. Heres how the Steinway tunnel Queensbound grade problen can be resolved. Remove that timer just past the first ave crossover so trains can get a little guiddyup momentum attacking the big hill before VJ. Less strain on the motors, less juice used & a nice breeze on the Vernon-Jackson platform!The problem is the First Avenue interlocking. Going Queens-bound, you have two GT-30 timers going down the grade, then a 20 MPH speed restriction across the switches, then one more GT-30 going up the grade. By then you're dead. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:21:24 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 19:25:08 2013. I'm trying to remember which side the jog is on down there ... where the original tunnel didn't quite meet perfectly and so there's a jog in the tracks. Is that outbound or inbound from Manhattan? If it's outbound, that might explain that timer.The jog is Queens-bound, and it's still there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 00:27:55 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:17:10 2013. But there's GOTTA be some intervention of some kind in order to convince you guys that it's really OK to not have to "move it, move it" or "beat that clock" anymore. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 00:29:37 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:21:24 2013. Geez ... with all the time they've spent down there in the past couple of years, they couldn't break out some spoons for the tunnel walls and hammer those rails over to the side yet? :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:51:58 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 00:29:37 2013. That might be in the plans. They've totally demolished the old bench wall in both tubes, effectively making it considerably wider. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 01:19:57 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jan 12 00:51:58 2013. I'll be curious to see if the 188 design helps them consider that faster. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 02:48:18 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:03:06 2013. UHH HUH..My pops found THAT OUT the HARD WAY..got a broken hip out of that lesson,too..no more MOTORMAN for him. one of the reasons WHY I never went "underground",and stayed uptop away from the TA..Went to the DOG instead. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 03:39:26 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 02:48:18 2013. Yard escapee in his case, right? Also heard about two taking off from Stillwell (one with passengers) and another out of 179 (again with passengers) ... there were supposedly more too. :( |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jan 12 20:21:42 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 11 20:26:38 2013. I think it was Edwards who mentioned his dad had a runin with a runaway R-44. Not sure....but I think I remember something about it.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 20:24:31 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by jimmymc25 on Sat Jan 12 20:21:42 2013. Yep ... he confirmed. There were others though. Ya gotta love a train that you have to tie down in revenue. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:01:41 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 03:39:26 2013. yup..yard runaway for sure..wasnt the same after that..kinda grumpy in fact. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 21:05:32 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:01:41 2013. Given how things were at the time, I'm sure that episode was only the icing on the cake. And they probably blamed him for it too. :( |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:11:42 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 21:05:32 2013. never got into the whole details of it with him..it only pissed him off into a rant that made the father from a "Christmas Story" seem like a dormouse..one thing for certain..that hip never healed right..and he walked with one heck of a limp ever since. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 21:16:08 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:11:42 2013. Wish I could say I was surprised, but you know I'm not. :( |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:18:26 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 02:48:18 2013. Smh did they try to blame him for it?After all their equipment is flawless you know... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:32:51 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:18:26 2013. brah..it was one of those.."seen but not heard" situations..stay out of grown folks business or else... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 21:40:54 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:18:26 2013. Yep ... just like that set of arnines I got handed. In case you wonder why I get livid with the prom queen. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:41:05 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 21:32:51 2013. You do know that i was taking a shot at how they do things down here right? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:43:17 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 21:40:54 2013. The train we trust=YOU we Dont....Nothings changed... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 12 22:07:09 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:41:05 2013. oh yeah..i Do know sarcasm very well..but i was also pointing out how my pops felt about the "new MTA",that,according to him,didn't know their "asshole from their elbow,how can they run trains when the damn things dont stay where you leave em?"and THAT was the nice version... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 12 22:14:20 2013, in response to Re: A R142A to R188 Conversion question, posted by Railman718 on Sat Jan 12 21:43:17 2013. Heh. Ain't that the truth.Like Edwards pointed out though, when the new jacks took over, things TRULY sucked worse. But as long as the paperwork looked good, all was good for the chiefs. Us indians? Well fuck us. :( |
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