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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:11:44 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Dec 12 15:08:30 2012.  Metropolitan Avenue station in late 1990 during demolition. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:14:08 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:11:36 2012. Notes: Auxiliary exit of the Metropolitan Avenue station at 132nd St and Jamaica Ave., during demolition. Early 1990s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 15:14:53 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:06:28 2012. there ya go..the other fellow was so corrupt..when he got caught..he decided killing himself was better than going to jail. the other person ran for vice president..and lost. these folks single handedly threw so much crap into the QUEENS new routes program..they are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for unbuilt gaps in the new lines..why there is no crosstown subway..no south Jamaica lines.. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:15:06 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 14:49:50 2012. There's a reason why Jamaica was settled so early on. It was a naturally low lying area which provided the only way to get through the terminal moraine which once bisected Long Island all the way from Downtown Brooklyn to Hempstead Plain. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:16:44 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:15:06 2012. To add, Jamaica Avenue follows the route of the edge of said moraine. It had been an old native American path used to move east and west. That's why it has so many curves in it and why the land north of it rises considerably, but the land south of it is generally flat. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:17:31 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:15:06 2012. There's a reason why Jamaica was settled so early on.I've seen a pic posted on here (or was it another website?) that Jamaica, Queens was already developed as early as 1921.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:17:58 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:14:08 2012. The intact stairway was at the other end. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:20:21 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:17:58 2012. So what about this one? It was pretty much intact too until demolition. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:20:33 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 13:50:20 2012. How was relaying at 121 during this time? Slow speeds into station? There were a few trip arms and buffers. . .right? Both tracks? One track? |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:21:51 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:20:33 2012. After reaching 121st Street, trains used the crossover to switch from the Jamaica-bound track to the Manhattan-bound one, where they would relay to the platform and begin service to Manhattan. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 15:24:45 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 14:56:57 2012. I think they were installed covered. Over time, the covering shrank and started to wear away. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Wed Dec 12 15:26:40 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:01:25 2012. I walked from Atlantic Avenue on the LIRR Rockaway Beach, to Aqueduct. I too did stupid things when I was 15. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 12 15:31:55 2012, in response to 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 13:33:54 2012. What's with the (Z) on the strip map? It made all stops northbound after Myrtle Avenue - Broadway? |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:32:02 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 07:31:29 2012. There was also an "(E) (F) (G) (N)" sign located at the closed entrance on the southbound side of the Interboro Pkwy at the Union Tpke. station. You could of seen it from the 24 hour entrance on the northbound roadway. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:33:52 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:10:08 2012. How tall was the guard rail relative to your body? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:43:15 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:20:21 2012. The others were pretty much partially removed like this early on, according to my recollections. Only one stairway was still intact in 1987, on the south side of Jamaica at Metropolitan Ave, across from what was then the bowling alley. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:47:07 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:33:52 2012. Just above my hip, IIRC. Thankfully it was intact all the way to Queens Blvd, since I never let it go. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:47:31 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by G1Ravage on Wed Dec 12 15:31:55 2012. Printing error. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:48:45 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 15:24:45 2012. The ones at Union Tpke were easy to read because the raised lettering underneath the covering was substantial enough to see the outline of the text. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 15:53:53 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:46:05 2012. I remember at Union Turnpike at the Interboro Pkwy entrance that the map by the booth indicated the permanently closed and soon to be demolished Metropolitan Ave and Queens Blvd stations on the J. And the entrance sign on the Southbound Parkway side advertized exactly like this:Union Turnpike - Kew Gardens Station  |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 16:25:29 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 15:14:53 2012. Donald Manes and Geraldine Ferraro? |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 16:27:42 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:48:45 2012. The signs were still there in 1987-88 when I lived by 75th Av. You could make out some of the raised lettering underneath in places. Less easy under the text on the top layer. The signs at 63rd and 67th were a bit more worn-down than 75th. At 75th, part of one had been peeled off. That indicated: N 6AM to 8PM weekdays; G 5:30AM to midnight, every day; other times, take E or F to Van Wyck Blvd for G shuttle. At 63rd and 67th, the G and N terminals were shown as 71st-Continental Avs or Jamaica Center and "late nights take F to Van Wyck Blvd for G shuttle." |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 16:29:36 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 16:27:42 2012. Yup. What an awful service pattern, I'm glad they re-thought it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 16:30:34 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 15:14:53 2012. I've seen the power of the Queens Democrat machine personally, and violently. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 16:33:33 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 16:27:42 2012. Very interesting... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 16:36:52 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 16:33:33 2012. The only way that service pattern made sense is if they wanted to open the IND level earlier than the BMT level. Anything, even the G alone would have been better than the nothing people had east of 121st after mid 1985. |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed Dec 12 16:51:06 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 12 16:25:29 2012. i remember these 2.one who killed hinself and one who lost da VP. chud1 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Dec 12 17:01:38 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Dec 12 10:52:59 2012. Gotta call the plumbers! To the basement! |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 17:37:33 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 15:47:07 2012. I'd be more afraid of holding it I think - I'd rather be standing straight and be blown into it as a buffer than risk depending on it and having it fall from dilapidation. Do you remember lots of wind? |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 18:04:17 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 16:36:52 2012. I think the idea was to end the daytime bottleneck at Continental and run the trains straight-through to the terminals on the tracks they were on. The bigger problem with this is the E still would have had to switch at 75th otherwise nothing would have stopped at Sutphin/Hillside.What they should have done was sent the E & G to JC, and the F & N to 179th. The only switching would have been at Van Wyck. Since the N service ended earlier, it wouldn't have interfered with layups on the Hillside express tracks. The E move could have gone to 75th around that time, with the G continuing to JC until midnight or cut back to Continental until midnight. |
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Posted by El-Train on Wed Dec 12 19:49:07 2012, in response to 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 13:33:54 2012. I find it remarkable how the Archer Ave. and 63rd St. stations were finished years before they opened. Brand-new stations sitting mothballed underground while neighborhood residents above ground deal with truncated or mediocre transportation. Would you guys say that these were two of the most poorly-executed public works projects in NYC's history? |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 20:17:58 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by El-Train on Wed Dec 12 19:49:07 2012. I find it remarkable how the Archer Ave. and 63rd St. stations were finished years before they opened.Yup. Archer Avenue Subway completed in 1983-84 and 63rd Street Subway in 1984-85. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 20:56:23 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 16:30:34 2012. yet..as the Q.B SERVICE became worse..they cried for "MORE SERVICE, NEW CARS" and other crap they stalled...but stopped any new rail lines that would have helped.luckily..the MTA has taken another look at the corridor,doing studies as we go through the motions. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 21:26:06 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by El-Train on Wed Dec 12 19:49:07 2012. the MTA never wanted to open them,period..they planned on chalking it up as a lost..use the space office and layups.. the 63rd st tunnel had structural problems from pumps not working..with more than 6 feet of water in them...to a load bearing girder near 1st avenue that was set too low to allow trains to pass under..to the line dead ending at 41st and Norther Blvd... the planned Northern Blvd station..planned as a interm terminal until the Crosstown route to Woodside station was finished..then the rest to Continental lower level was never built due to indecision..cost overruns..and NIMBY attacks. the Archer line was started along with the SAS in 1972,then stopped for three or so years..contributing to the delays..plus the political wranglings..PLUS MORE haggling with the LIRR over track age/row rights..the southern/eastern extension of both levels were deferred. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Dec 12 21:58:40 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 13:50:20 2012. Between 1985 amd 1987 there was single track operation on the Manhattan bound track between 111 St and 121 St. After Nov 1987 they resumed double track using the new diamond crossover just east of 121 St. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Dec 12 22:00:56 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Dec 12 15:20:33 2012. Between 1985 amd 1987 there was single track operation on the Manhattan bound track between 111 St and 121 St. After Nov 1987 they resumed double track using the new diamond crossover just east of 121 St. |
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Posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 23:12:35 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by VictorM on Wed Dec 12 22:00:56 2012. Between 1985 amd 1987 there was single track operation on the Manhattan bound track between 111 St and 121 St.Yup. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think J trains were stored on the Jamaica-bound track at 121 Street, before that X-over was installed outside of 121st in 11/1987. |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed Dec 12 23:26:53 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by renee gil on Wed Dec 12 23:12:35 2012. That's right. They put the trains back in service via a double reverse move at 111 St. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 12 23:37:11 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 20:56:23 2012. So in other workds, Manes, D'amato, and Ferraro blocked construction because somebody complained and it made them look heroic? Even after construction was well underway? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 12 23:48:33 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Dec 12 18:04:17 2012. I doubt sending the locals beyond 71-Continental would have worked. Remember how (un)popular the R was when it went to 179 St? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 13 00:31:21 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Dec 12 13:50:20 2012. Why didn't they just build it the way they built the "A" train portal to Liberty Ave in 1956? Close the Fulton Street el on Friday, connect the portal to Liberty on Saturday and Sunday, and open the new "A" service on Monday. Could have kept the Jamaica el in service to 168th street a lot longer! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Dec 13 00:41:12 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Dec 11 19:46:05 2012. And rerouted LIRR commuters if service from Penn to Jamaica was shut down as it is now with increasing frequency! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 01:22:28 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by 3-9 on Wed Dec 12 23:37:11 2012. it wasnt so simple..the folks in Sunnyside complained First about the new line cutting across their nab..all the construction it would bring,along with the traffic and noise.. Geraldine Ferraro picked up that NIMBY ball,and ran with it..So did Manes.. D'Amato poked his nose into it from the other end..accusing the MTA of "supporting corruption" and other mob related business.. all that boiled down to investigations..from the City..State and FEDS..he had funding cut off from the Crosstown/Archer project.. The MTA used That as a excuse to defer the crosstown[no funding!] while the Archer line was placed on the back burner. The FEDS forced them to complete both 63rd st line as far as Norther Blvd,while the Archer was completed as far as Parsons..not to Springfield Gardens like the plan called for. Before the Archer opened..they had to find a way to bring riders to it,make it work as a feeder line.a whole slew of bus routes were diverted from Hillside to this line to support its new service plan. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 13 01:28:23 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 01:22:28 2012. Interesting bit of recent Queens history, thanks! I didn't really follow Queens politics at the time. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 13 01:28:36 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 01:22:28 2012. "accusing the MTA of "supporting corruption" and other mob related business.."LOVE IT! D'Amato complaining because they supported somebody ELSE'S "mobbed-up" businesses. :) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 02:19:00 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 13 01:28:23 2012. no problem..What really bothers me is the fact that the MTA didn't put up much of a fight.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 02:19:52 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 13 01:28:36 2012. Oh Yeah..You Know what happened out there..and He's STILL at it. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Dec 13 02:47:43 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 02:19:00 2012. I think those were the days transit wasn't "in vogue", and the MTA was just following their political masters. Can't sing a different tune from the guy who appointed you. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Dec 13 03:11:32 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 13 02:19:52 2012. Sure is ... and Bruno's headed back to court too since the feds reinstated the charges. :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Dec 13 06:40:44 2012, in response to Re: 24 years ago today, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 12 14:02:35 2012. Better they opened a stub line than abandon all the work that had been done up to that point. The crappy job done building the stations is another matter, of course. |
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