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Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012 video: http://hudsonvalley.ynn.com/content/top_stories/588010/metro-north-s-plan-to-add-more-service-to-port-jervis-line/Metro-North is aggressively moving forward with plans to add a double track along the Port Jervis line. The rail runs through Orange County and it's among the fastest growing area in Metro-North territory. The Transportation Authority says by adding this extra line it will finally meet the growing demands. The Port Jervis line is on its way to getting an overdue upgrade. Metro-North gearing up to add a second track to the railroad. It'll help commuters like Annette Kieferle, who carries around a schedule every day to keep her on track for when the trains are coming. "This is it. This is your bible," said commuter Annette Kieferle. She says the departure times are so far apart right now missing a train means you'll spend hours waiting for the next one and your entire day could be pushed back. “I’ll be working late tonight just to make up the time because I missed that middle train because of a doctor’s appointment," said Kierferle. Metro-North is spending $9.4 million on a study looking into the changes. The proposed additional track would run from the Salisbury Mills area down to Sloatsburg. That stretch sees of a good amount of commuters, most of which tired of the infrequent service. "It is annoying. It’s not convenient at all. The whole point of this is that its convenience," said commuter Julian Rivera. The multi-million dollar study is expect to wrap up in about a year-and-a-half. After that, Metro-North will have to figure how to pay for the construction. It still is not sure how much it'll cost to retrofit the line. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jun 15 17:04:50 2012, in response to Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012. < Metro-North is spending $9.4 million on a study looking into the changes >All that money just to STUDY it ? What will the substance cost ? |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jun 15 18:51:03 2012, in response to Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012. How much would it take just to add sidings? |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 15 18:52:45 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jun 15 18:51:03 2012. Problem with sidings is that the schedule goes right out the window if anything gets jacked. "It gets there when it gets there" is OK for freight, not so good for pax ... |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Jun 15 19:12:52 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 15 18:52:45 2012. Dunno, thought it might be a quick way of increasing service until they really build that second track. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jun 15 19:14:45 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by 3-9 on Fri Jun 15 19:12:52 2012. It would just be more expense putting it in and then ripping it out. Once the grading is done, you can throw down rail pretty quick. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jun 15 19:41:25 2012, in response to Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012. Very nice, it's a long time coming, it would be fantastic to perhaps even electrify it at some point to Harriman or get a spur off to Woodbury Outlets, it would be a major economic boom for the area and justify the service at the same time. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 15 21:16:59 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jun 15 19:41:25 2012. keep dreaming, not worth the cost. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 22:13:33 2012, in response to Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012. The old main used to have two tracks. So Metro-South is now "aggressively" working to reverse its own blunder?? |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sat Jun 16 00:20:26 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 22:13:33 2012. The remnant of a great transportation system. Love looking at the old timetables, service to delaware river towns especially. Planned many imaginary trips from hoboken to places l ike narrowsburg and callicoon. Having canoed down the delaware numerous times, i've at least had the thrill of seeing a late night freight train winding its way up the dark river valley as we were camping, a. seriously extreme railroad lovers' moment.
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 16 03:16:44 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 22:13:33 2012. RE-OPEN THE OLD LINE THROUGH MONROE!!!! |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 16 05:18:34 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Jun 16 03:16:44 2012. I'm with you there. I wouldn't mind reopening the O&W too as an alternate route for Amtrak upstate . . . but out of DC, highways take priority . . . |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 05:27:01 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 16 05:18:34 2012. Wellll ... we were going to have trains, but people elected republicans instead. Conservative triumph! |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 16 06:30:36 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by ntrainride on Sat Jun 16 00:20:26 2012. Actually the Erie didn't run more passenger trains past Suffern than they do today, it was just that most ran to Binghamton or beyond. Until the mid-1980's, there were just 2 Port Jervis commuter trains and a 3rd afternoon train to Monroe or Middletown. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 06:59:42 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 22:13:33 2012. own ??? line was single tracked long before MNCR signed the lease from NS |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 17:00:45 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 06:59:42 2012. Eerie Lackamoney tore it out back in the 60's. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 18:16:37 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 17:00:45 2012. yup but Olog does not know that, see his earlier misinformed comments.. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 18:25:37 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 18:16:37 2012. Paying attention to Olog or the turtle is its own reward. Impeach Earl Warren! :) |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 18:51:03 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 18:25:37 2012. Turtle ??? I think Rockparkboy has same father, genericly defective, abusive, no class, etc etc. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 18:55:51 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jun 16 18:51:03 2012. Which is why I enjoy coming here. The circus and the freak show only show up upstate once a year for only two days. :) |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 19:18:08 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 16 06:30:36 2012. And a slow, don't-miss-the-return-trip-or-its-ShortLine single trip in and out on weekends. Ugh. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 19:19:38 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 18:55:51 2012. You obviously have never been to the Wally World here in Middletown. Sellie... |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jun 16 19:38:42 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 19:19:38 2012. Heh. Nope ... we have the legislature around here, but they don't count. :) |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 19:39:41 2012, in response to Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Jun 15 14:58:22 2012. Long overdue. They don't even have to run more trains to Port Jervis itself, just south of Middletown. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 19:51:30 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by ClearAspect on Fri Jun 15 19:41:25 2012. Electrification is unnecessary, but a station in Central Valley (there used to be one on that line) would be a major plus. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jun 16 20:21:12 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 15 21:16:59 2012. All I got is a dollar and a dream. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 20:30:11 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 19:39:41 2012. As it is, the last off peak R/T in the daytime has to terminate at Middletown at 2:55, and then has to almost immediately turn back. If it ran all the way to Port, it could clog the line between Harriman and Suffern for the first PM peak train coming up. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 20:53:10 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 20:30:11 2012. Yeah, I rode that train a couple of times. I thought I could spend the layover time up in the mall, but that place was not designed for pedestrians and I did not try to cross the highway. I've heard this train terminates at Middletown because they need to get the train back to Hoboken before 6 PM. Without even considering a layover in Port Jervis, running it all the way adds an hour to the round trip. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 20:59:45 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 15 22:13:33 2012. So did the Graham line, between VALLEY and Suffern. Conrail ripped it out when they took over the line.  Ironically, by 1970 the old Main Line was reduced to one track while the Graham line remained double tracked, probably all the way up to CP Valley. This used to be called Newburgh Junction, 
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 21:02:56 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jun 15 21:16:59 2012. Stations are fairly inexpensive as far as infrastructure goes. I believe the impediment to a Central Valley/Woodbury Common station has been NIMBYism, not cost. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 22:44:10 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 20:53:10 2012. Of all the off peak runs, thats the one I would bet real cash that it would be the one they might sneak a ML onto sometime...just a feeling.I will be off at that time starting next week for the summer, I might just occasionally do a little recon over that way. I can be down by Moodna in time to catch it on the viaduct if it ever does. :P |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:04:56 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jun 16 20:53:10 2012. Correct, the equipment turns for Train 0057. |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:07:48 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 22:44:10 2012. Not necessarily. Like I said, 0049/66 gets the equipment off I believe 0052, and it turns for 0057 after it gets back to Hoboken. So far, 45/64 and 41/42 have turned up with them more often than any other train, although of course even that is an accident and indicates that the rotation got messed up somewhere. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 23:16:31 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:07:48 2012. Thanks for the head up! If I am ever up very late - or very very early, I might check it out..... :P |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Sun Jun 17 00:02:52 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sat Jun 16 23:16:31 2012. Don't get your hopes up-it's only happened three or four times over as many years. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:35:13 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:07:48 2012. Wait, ML's are now running on the PJ line? |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 13:38:22 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:35:13 2012. Wait, ML's are now running on the PJ line?They run on the Main Line as far north as Suffern. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:39:11 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:07:48 2012. Wait, ML's are now running on the PJ line? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:40:00 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 13:38:22 2012. That I knew, I thought they were (whenever possible) strictly segregating the equipment on the PJ runs to Metro North coaches/engines. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:40:28 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:39:11 2012. *hiccup* |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:51:47 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by NJCL2308 on Sat Jun 16 23:04:56 2012. I have such a hard time believing there are commuters who go from Port Jervis to NYC every day, round trip. Even with the thru express from Harriman, that's 4 hours of your day on a train. |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jun 17 14:01:35 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:51:47 2012. so how is that different than Danbury to GCT 2 h 5 min each wayor Pok to GCT 1 h 45 min one way or Wassaic to GCT 2 hour each way. New Haven to GCT 1 hour 57 minutes each way ?? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 17 14:05:57 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jun 17 14:01:35 2012. The interview w/ a rider on the then new Elburn extension of the Metra West (former C&NW) was telling. He was happy to have a long AM & PM time slot w/o contact w/ family or work. Lots of time to read or doze. Pretty sad if you ask me. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 14:19:56 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Jun 17 14:01:35 2012. If you use the Harriman thru train, it's 2 hours and 14 minutes each way to NYP, 2 hours and 22 minutes to WTC. And that's the EXPRESS. If you miss that thru train, the trip on the next train from PJ is 2 hours and 31 minutes to NYP. It's the longest non-Hamptons railroad commute in the entire area. Those Wassaic and Danbury runs are also long, but at least you get a one seat ride straight to the middle of the CBD.(I neglected to include people commuting from points east of R-head on the north fork to Manhattan because I doubt there are more than a handful of them) |
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Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 15:46:37 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:40:00 2012. Chris: I've ridden the PTJ several times this year and each time the consist was MN Comet V's. Once in a while you will see a NJT engine on the head end.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Jun 17 16:09:30 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 15:46:37 2012. MN doesn't care so much about the locos - its all the same s*** anyways, but they DO care about what the passengers (read:taxpayers) see at the station and ride in. |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Jun 17 16:21:11 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Jun 17 13:51:47 2012. It gets better than that: There people who:a) Live in places like Dingmans Ferry, Milford and Hawley Pa, and drive into PJ and THEN ride all the way in. b) Others who live in Wurtsboro....Pine Bush....Ellenville...even Monticello and LIBERTY who drive to Middletown to pick the train up. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 17:35:32 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Jun 17 16:21:11 2012. It gets better than that: There people who:a) Live in places like Dingmans Ferry, Milford and Hawley Pa, and drive into PJ and THEN ride all the way in. Lou: The first train of the day leaves Port Jervis at 352AM and arrives in Hoboken at 600AM. 352 is not the early morning its the middle of the night. I give credit to the folks who do it but I wonder what kind of a home life they have. There is a point where your trip stops being a "commute" and becomes a "journey." I knew some people who commuted between GCT and Poughkeepsie, which is basically an hour and forty minute trip and then drove for another 30 or 45 minutes to reach their homes. There are some great pluses to living up north but if you want to make real money you still have to go to NYC and consequently you have very little time to appreciate what north country offers. Just some random thought. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Sun Jun 17 19:28:01 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 17:35:32 2012. Hell, ShortLine has a 305a departure from BINGHAMTON, that some people use to 'commute'..... |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Jun 17 19:59:35 2012, in response to Re: Metro-North's plan to add more service to Port Jervis line, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Jun 17 17:35:32 2012. Well, Joe Biden "commuted" from Wilmington, and he was not the only one nor did/do all the others take Acela. I was on what is now called an NEC Regional leaving DC circa 5PM overhearing two reguloars who had 20 min drives afterwards. |
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