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PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012 built in 1980 as Louisville & Nashville SD40-2 8105 
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 13 18:31:24 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Wow ... sure hope that one stays south. The roof cut alone will ensure a nice snow pack in the windshield for sure up here. :( |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:54:47 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Damn, doesn't CSX have anybody who can do sheet metal work??? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:55:32 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Damn, doesn't CSX have anybody who can do sheet metal work??? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 13 18:56:20 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:54:47 2012. Bubba thought he was customizing a Hummer. :) |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:57:02 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. That plate doesn't look original. Must be from the Dixie Dunce shop that fucked up that cab. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:57:25 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 13 18:56:20 2012. ayeppa. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by BEDT26 on Fri Jan 13 19:37:14 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 18:57:02 2012. That's a Genset cab and nose. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jan 13 19:57:21 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by BEDT26 on Fri Jan 13 19:37:14 2012. Nope. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by kp5308 on Fri Jan 13 20:27:22 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. That's NASTY! |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Jan 14 00:21:32 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Wait, six axle units on the Mt Holly tracks? Are they laying welded rail on the Pemberton Industrial track, or is this for some sort of new construction?I saw a Dash 8 and an dark future EMD six axle truck running light on the bridge over the Admiral Wilson Blvd around 2:45pm yesterday and I have to wonder if it was the same pair. Today it was a pair of four axle EMDs, probably GP38s, but in both cases I didn't close enough to really identify them. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:29:19 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. I think they're beautiful. And the fact that they did it for crew safety. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:32:05 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 13 18:56:20 2012. The reason for the awkward squareness is for crew safety, I love the old style but I don't think this is bad. I think it looks like a tough machine like this. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:35:23 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. sorry bout all the posts, this should be helpful if you guys haven't seen it yet.http://wvncrails.weebly.com/sd40-3-csx-old-new-locomotive.html |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 00:42:34 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:32:05 2012. Dunno how much you've run in snow, but that scoop up top with the steel work they did there strikes me as a snowbank waiting to pile up on the glass. :( |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 01:01:07 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Now bad for the Pavonia shop gang or a Railfan's backyard engine facility, but why did they trash the properly styled cab? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 01:02:07 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:29:19 2012. It's exactly the same style as the old cab, only ugly. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 01:05:06 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:35:23 2012. They;d be better off getting EMD do the rebuild. Their ECO rebuilds not only replace the prime mover, but don't ruin the appearance. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sat Jan 14 06:00:29 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by WillD on Sat Jan 14 00:21:32 2012. They're laying welded rail on the Pemberton Industrial Track. WPCA20 uses only four axle units. 
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 14 09:15:58 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 01:05:06 2012. I wouldn't buy ANYTHING from EMD now. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jan 14 10:31:23 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 14 09:15:58 2012. your right, damned union busters, the owners at Caterpillar have done this a few times in the US as well. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 12:47:53 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 01:05:06 2012. The reason they are doing it in-house is to save $ and they are putting a bigger engine in it and increasing tractive effort in order to put them on some unit coals. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 12:50:06 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 00:42:34 2012. Well this is the second winter for them so I guess it's not a big problem, unless of course their going to ignore crew complaints. |
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Re: PHOTOS: beautiful cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 14 12:51:02 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Ugly's in the eye of the beholder. If the crews find it impractical, then one can really call it "ugly". Railfans may be divided on the Crandall cabs, but AIUT, crews were OK with them. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 14 13:14:58 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 00:29:19 2012. you must be from the South. Excuse me for thinking you had a brain. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jan 14 18:00:01 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. I like the original cab design way better.Nice shots, nice catch!! |
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Re: PHOTOS: beautiful cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jan 14 18:01:59 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: beautiful cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 14 12:51:02 2012. It's not that bad. As long as it properly accommodates a crew on a run, it's okay in my book. Like you said, if any part is impractical, or it adversely effects crews during a run, it is then indeed ugly. While I am more of a fan of the original design, I can live with this.Now those Crandall cabs, those were hideous!! |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Jan 14 18:50:43 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 12:47:53 2012. Hold up, according to this site the SD40-3s are being rebuilt with either 16-645E3C or 12-710G3B prime movers. In either case it's a 3000hp engine, and if they did swap to the 710 powerplant then they've actually installed a smaller engine than the 16 cylinder 645 the SD40-2 originally used. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 18:52:05 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by mike cruz on Sat Jan 14 12:47:53 2012. Increased tractive effort implies they are being changed to AC as the hp is staying the same. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 18:55:05 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jan 14 10:31:23 2012. Caterpillar has barely owned them, all the ugly came from the private equity guys because they didn't have the GM design department and the railroads decided they didn't care about quality. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 18:56:12 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by WillD on Sat Jan 14 18:50:43 2012. If those cabs are more crashworthy than the old, I take back what I said about them being fugly ... and more tractive effort for the same fuel, that's a VERY good thing. |
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Re: PHOTOS: beautiful cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 18:59:12 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: beautiful cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 14 12:51:02 2012. The new cab is arguably about crash-resistance more than ergonomics. These sorts of geeps are taking the local freight assignments which don't need the hotel accommodations of their road freight big brothers. The specific design of the new cab is clearly about cutting costs as I am sure they could make one that both protects crew and looks nice. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 19:00:52 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 18:56:12 2012. The specific aesthetics of the new cab have nothing to do with being crashworthy. CSX decided it wasn't worth their effort to make something that both performed better and looked good. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jan 14 19:07:42 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 18:55:05 2012. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=1132254 |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 19:27:41 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 19:00:52 2012. I went and looked at some details, and "crashworthy" was one of the intents of the design. As compared to what is anybody's guess, but CSX shop called that out as a "feature." |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Jan 14 22:15:07 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. Where is this? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 22:33:59 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 19:27:41 2012. They put some collision posts under the short hood. Here is what they look like on a DE30 without the nosecone installed. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 14 22:49:11 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Jan 14 22:33:59 2012. Thanks!That's gotta help a bit. :) |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by blue8irt on Sat Jan 14 23:02:16 2012, in response to PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Fri Jan 13 18:17:22 2012. These never interested me. I don't even think they should be on here. Post more subway related pictures. This is not a rant or complaint, just my opinion. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Jan 15 08:15:41 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by WillD on Sat Jan 14 18:50:43 2012. HOLY SHIT! A 44,000 TE increase? I didn't see anything about AC traction or increased weight for these rebuilds. Wonder how they are pulling that one off. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by chuchubob on Sun Jan 15 09:43:18 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Neil Feldman on Sat Jan 14 22:15:07 2012. Hainesport, NJ, (southern Burlington County) on CSAO's Pemberton Industrial Track |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 15 10:19:30 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by kp5308 on Sun Jan 15 08:15:41 2012. the trucks are just plain jane HTCs so they're blowing smoke if they're claming an FA > 25%Unit weight/FA=TE |
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Re: MORE TECH CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 15 10:36:22 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 15 10:19:30 2012. As in my last post:Unit weight/FA=TE Generally, the Factor of Adhesion has been around 25% of unit weight. However radial trucks which allow their individual axles to steer into curves can raise this to as much as 35%. since the "Bubba Batteries"(CSX SD40-3 rebuilds) have HTC trucks rather than HTC-R or other radial designs, I'd have to say their Tractive Effort is purely LaGrange stock. RockParkMan, not just a foaming lib. |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 15 10:36:32 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by blue8irt on Sat Jan 14 23:02:16 2012. If you don't like what is posted:A). Do not reply!! B). Go to another site and forum!! Maybe you do not like what's posted, but you do NOT speak for the rest of us!! And while we are at it, if you want so much subway related photos, why don't you contribute?? For someone who complains so much (pretty much all you ever do is complain and rant, and funny I have rarely seen ANY compliments from you even when subway pics are posted!!), why don't you acquire a camera (if you do not have one), or go out (if you do have one) and take some and contribute here? Contribute something other than negativity!! We have way more than enough here with the head troll himself and his stoolies!! I don't even think they should be on here. You are right, they should not even be on here.......your rants and negativity that is!! |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jan 15 10:39:27 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by blue8irt on Sat Jan 14 23:02:16 2012. Hey, asshole. Bob Vogel has been more places and done more shit than you'll do in a lifetime. Apologize to him.BTW, are you the Turtle? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 15 10:49:04 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by kp5308 on Fri Jan 13 20:27:22 2012. It ain't so bad!!! Has a meaner looking face!! |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 15 10:52:49 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jan 13 18:31:24 2012. Nope!!! One of my videos has shown she is loose up here (and has been quite a few times!!)Second unit, #4004, on CSX Q116, Chicago Bedford Park Yard to Port Of Newark, Newark NJ |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sun Jan 15 11:10:01 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by RockParkMan on Sat Jan 14 13:14:58 2012. New Yorker actually, why would you start sh*t? |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Jan 15 14:32:49 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Jan 15 10:49:04 2012. Ehhh....I still don't like it. Call me old fashioned Paul :o) |
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Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild |
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Posted by WillD on Sun Jan 15 23:25:10 2012, in response to Re: PHOTOS: ugly cab on CSX SD40-3 rebuild, posted by chuchubob on Sat Jan 14 06:00:29 2012. They're laying welded rail on the Pemberton Industrial Track.Sweet, when can we run some GTW 2/6s out there? :) |
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