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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 01:45:14 2011 At the former end of the Fifth Avenue El at Senator St. and 3rd Avenue is a branching street that allows Senator St traffic approaching 3rd from the west to take a shortcut onto 3rd north. Is this related to the old el?View Larger Map |
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Posted by piyer on Sat Dec 3 05:10:35 2011, in response to Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 01:45:14 2011. I am inclined to think that it might have been part of a trolley loop. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sat Dec 3 11:09:09 2011, in response to Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 01:45:14 2011. Probably. The ramp from the el would have blocked Senator Street west of 3rd Avenue at that point. Therefore that branch of Senator Street would have allowed traffic to bypass the ramp and reach 3rd Avenue. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Sat Dec 3 12:08:02 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Sat Dec 3 11:09:09 2011. From the 1924 aerial photo that looks exactly right - the ramp blocked Senator Street, so it curved north to get to 3rd. |
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Posted by Mellow One on Sat Dec 3 23:25:40 2011, in response to Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Dec 3 01:45:14 2011. Here is a view of the incline in use, which is part of this website. |
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Posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 4 08:55:20 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Mellow One on Sat Dec 3 23:25:40 2011. Nice shots, nice website, Mellow One.I know the legal reason trolleys stopped using the ramp (cancellation of the lease when BCRR reclaimed its lines in the BRT bankruptcy) but I'm surprised they didn't figure out a way to continue using the ramp anyway. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 4 12:57:51 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 4 08:55:20 2011. Once the subway was opened, the el was downgraded in importance. I bet riders wanted a transfer to the subway, not to the el, which for the most part was a two and sometimes 3 seat ride to Park Row. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 4 22:04:59 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 4 12:57:51 2011. The 5th Ave- Bay Ridge el should have been torn down in 1935, when they partially demolished Park Row and the Sands Street loop. I believe it had the least ridrship of any el, IRT or BMT! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 00:31:57 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Sat Dec 3 11:09:09 2011. When was the ramp used? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 5 00:35:04 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 00:31:57 2011. Every time something rolled up or down it. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 00:48:00 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Dec 4 22:04:59 2011. The section south of 36th St certainly was expendable. The section north of there provided a conduit for Culver trains, important before the completion of the Nassau St. loop. The section between 36th and 65th was usually served by a single car shuttle. 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 00:52:45 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 00:48:00 2011. That station looks soIs that a scale in the background there? I hope no one tried to carry fireworks wrapped in newspaper in that station. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 01:09:33 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 00:52:45 2011. A better view, from a distance: Needed a coat of paint. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 03:02:45 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 01:09:33 2011. What is the structure to the left? |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 5 06:24:47 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 00:31:57 2011. I don't know the starting date, but it first allowed Bay Ridge el train to get to 101st Street on the surface. Later bumper blocks were installed and it became a "down-the-platform" transfer for trolley riders to the el and v.v.It stopped being used in 1919 with the BRT bankruptcy but remained in place until the el was demolished after 1940. |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 5 06:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 5 03:02:45 2011. The remains of the holding yard at that point. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Mon Dec 5 12:42:06 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 5 06:26:49 2011. that was a yard for steam engines. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Dec 5 14:15:32 2011, in response to Re: Fifth Avenue El, posted by SLRT on Mon Dec 5 06:26:49 2011. This was the original terminal of the line, before the connection to the Culver RR and the extension to Bay Ridge was complete. |
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