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Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 10 19:13:58 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Dj Hammers on Fri Dec 9 21:28:48 2011. As is mentioned elsewhere in the thread, 381 and 1300 were on the points, 100 and 1802 were in the middle.N [381-401-1000-1802-100-484-1575-1300] S |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 10 19:18:21 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Dan on Sat Dec 10 17:11:32 2011. 1757? I thought that they scrapped that one.
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Posted by Dan on Sat Dec 10 19:26:44 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 10 19:18:21 2011. I meant to type 1575, my error! |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:18:20 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 18:43:12 2011. Why do I suspect it was my old nemesis, 1575? That was a rather common problem with that car. It really thought it was an arten, right down to "Bang! Skreeeeeee!" :)A crew member told me #1300 was the culprit.The doctors at 207th St. will have to look at it. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:20:59 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:18:20 2011. Thanks! Glad I didn't wager. Heh.1575 had a habit of doing that ... sticky "magnet valve" on the electric brake. They kept saying it was fixed, and sometimes it was, most of the time not. :) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:24:12 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Dan on Sat Dec 10 17:11:32 2011. We were delayed for a few minutes outside of 5 Avenue. Some boisterous railfans.Outside or at 5th Ave ? If the train was outside 5th Ave station, there's usually a delay in either direction. Southbound waiting for the lineup into 47-50th St Rockefeller Ctr following an (F) train or northbound for the lineup into 5th Ave, following an (E) train. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Dec 10 21:25:47 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:18:20 2011. Wow 1300 has been having some issues lately. First a hot journal bearing and now brakes that don't release. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:26:52 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:18:20 2011. Just went back and looked at the consist ... 1575 is possibly STILL in the running there if it had pipe problems that affected 1300 ... that car was absolutely haunted despite people saying it's been on good behavior since it came back out ... that was one car I never forgot. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:33:03 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Dj Hammers on Sat Dec 10 21:25:47 2011. Hot bearings were usually the result of too much tolerance on the axles themselves with oil leaking out too fast. They used to have woolies in the boxes that would try to prevent that from happening and I understand they're now using a synthetic oil that's thicker than the original, so it would either have to have a LOT of slop or perhaps it didn't get a proper "drink" before it went out.Those cars needed a LOT of attention when they ran back in the day ... |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:38:24 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:26:52 2011. Just went back and looked at the consist ... 1575 is possibly STILL in the running there if it had pipe problems that affected 1300 ...Maybe #1575 thinks she's an arten ! Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:45:33 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:38:24 2011. That car's had that problem for decades. :) |
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Posted by zac on Sat Dec 10 22:20:56 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:24:12 2011. Outside of 5th QP bound. It seemed to be a longer delay than just holding for an E train. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 10 22:43:14 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:24:12 2011. We were early and the E was running late. They were trying to keep the trains in place. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 23:14:09 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:45:33 2011. That car's had that problem for decades. :)Next week I'll ask him if the problem was found and if #1575 or #1300 was the cause. I'll let you know. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 23:17:00 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 10 22:43:14 2011. We were early and the E was running late. They were trying to keep the trains in place.The arnines were early because they were faster than the R-160s ? Heh I didn't know you were on the train today. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 23:24:57 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 23:14:09 2011. I'll be most curious ... those were my coworkers once upon a time. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Dec 11 02:05:07 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by zac on Sat Dec 10 22:20:56 2011. Fifth Avenue Tower probably wanted the (E) to go first, so that the discharging museum train at Queens Plaza won't delay an (E) train...even if that (E) train was two stations away.... |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Dec 11 09:02:03 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:24:12 2011. Let me clarify that. We were delayed Queensbound into 5 Avenue by a red signal, not due to anyone's on-train behavior.I meant to say that there were boisterous but well-behaved railfans onboard. Plus surprised regular riders and tourists. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 11 11:50:52 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Train Dude on Sat Dec 10 22:43:14 2011. Damn...I missed you yesterday, couldn't ride the holiday train this weekend. Would have enjoyed another Summit. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 16:59:55 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 18:43:12 2011. Maybe it's been brainwashed into thinking it really is an R-10.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:01:12 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 21:33:03 2011. And they're getting it now, thanks to the good folks looking after them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:02:10 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 23:24:57 2011. 103 didn't give you any problems, though, right? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:03:03 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sat Dec 10 21:38:24 2011. Poor 1575. Always with a bum rap. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 17:04:34 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 16:59:55 2011. I think it truly believed ... :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 17:05:22 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:01:12 2011. That they are! :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 17:06:05 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:02:10 2011. I don't remember that particular car like I do 1575 and 381 and a handful of others so I'd imagine not. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 11 18:26:14 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 17:06:05 2011. I don't remember that particular car like I do 1575 and 381 and a handful of others so I'd imagine not.#103 is the one with the axiflow fans. That car you cannot forget ! :-) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 11 18:33:16 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 11 18:26:14 2011. As a young railfan, I don't remember riding 103. But I do remember 104: the only R1 I remember having blue interior paint, but it was peeling off all over the place. I do remember 100, 484, 1575, 1802. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 11 18:42:35 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 11 17:03:03 2011. Around the time the R32's came out, mom took us to Brighton Beach every day. I guess my hormones didn't start to rage just yet over the sexy females with SO much skin showing, so she allowed me to leave for awhile most days. One day I walked to Neptune/McDonald. A "D" train came in. I saw what looked like "an A train" in the front, but the others were "old". I waited at least 30 minutes for the train to come back but it didn't. I was completly confused for several years, didn't see that car for a long time. Finally saw it and HEARD it in operation post Chrystie St. on the GG one day on the point. She was literally smokin', but the MM let her burn! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 18:46:40 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 11 18:26:14 2011. I remember seeing it, showed up in a couple of D trains. Don't remember it misbehaving though ... you tend to remember the dogs when you get chewed out for dragging it to the terminal late during rush hour. :) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 11 18:51:42 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 11 18:42:35 2011. I might add, at a later date, I realized that the smell was heat from the brake shoes and wheels since the MM was running her hard. Plus, the compressors tended to smell sometimes. Don't forget, the maintance was horrible then, with many dead motors too. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 19:07:29 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 11 18:51:42 2011. Nothing I enjoyed more than smoking up stops with genuine arnine fog. :) |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sun Dec 11 19:41:59 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Dec 10 18:43:12 2011. Well, whatever it was, it was overcome quickly by the talented professionals running the beauties. Just thought you might have a clue since you've operated them in the good old days. ;-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 20:36:49 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Dec 11 19:41:59 2011. One of the great things about those old girls is that pretty much all you needed was a brake handle to beat uncooperative valves, some duct tape to stop air leaks and some newspaper and matches to heat up whatever got sticky undercar. You were pretty much expected to fix your own train back then and they were pretty easy to handle. I won't even go into used beer cans from the ground to substitute for shoe fuses when required. :)But strikes me as a sticky valve or a clog in the pipe. I have faith that there's still some folks down there who aren't afraid of kicking a train hard to make it move like the good old days. Heh. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:30:51 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 20:36:49 2011. Just imagine what you could do with a ball peen hammer.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:39:16 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 17:04:34 2011. I actually had a weird R-10 dream the other night. They actually preserved a whole ten-car train of them and while the old timers were moaning and groaning along 6th Ave., the Thunderbirds were strutting their stuff along CPW signed as - what else? - an Abbott. In my dream, I'm at the railfan window on a s/b dash. We get to 59th and there's a bumper post up ahead where we're supposed to go. We get the bottom green lineup and blow right past the bumper. Past 50th we gather momentum and go screaming into 42nd St., stopping on a dime. The topper was, my father was still alive and was with me. I'm telling him all about that downhill sprint. Then I woke up. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:41:42 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 18:46:40 2011. There is a 1964 photo of 103 in Concourse Yard in a D consist, so it spent some time up there. It was probably out in Queens at the time I was born. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:43:08 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 11 19:07:29 2011. I'm surprised no one referred to them as smokies.:) |
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Posted by vfrt on Mon Dec 12 15:24:23 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Dec 10 19:13:58 2011. What is the status of the museum's BMT equipment? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:53:03 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:30:51 2011. Heh. There were times I wish they had issued one. For some valves, the brake handle was a little bit TOO heavy-handed. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:54:30 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:39:16 2011. Cool! Got diverted a few times and got to run that in arnines. It was pretty impressive there as well. Good thing for the offsets though or I might have missed the marker. Heh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:56:01 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:41:42 2011. Welllll ... despite the well-intentioned documentation of which arnines belonged to who, they ended up where they ended up despite the shop assignments. Dispatchers weren't all that interested in whose arnines they were if they had a hole they needed to plug with whatever they could find. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:59:42 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 09:43:08 2011. City was still fairly polluted at the time ... I'll bet many though the chestnut carts upstairs were the cause of it. Heh. If the journals leaked enough oil though, you could REALLY fill a station with blue smoke. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 20:15:49 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:56:01 2011. There's a photo on Dave's website of Jamaica Yard in September of 1956 with mostly R-1s and one R-9, 1701, visible. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Dec 12 20:17:48 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:54:30 2011. I think I rode on that stretch on a prewar Abbott once. We came barrelling down the incline and still managed to stop on a dime. YOu probably had to kick in a few more pounds of air initially. |
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Posted by R-1-9 on Mon Dec 12 21:12:51 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by vfrt on Mon Dec 12 15:24:23 2011. Which one? A-B,s or Tri-plex. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 13 08:20:23 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Dec 12 15:54:30 2011. Was that when you wound up going out to Fulton St? |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 13 08:21:17 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by vfrt on Mon Dec 12 15:24:23 2011. AFAIK the BMT standard set is being worked on. The Triplexes, sad to say, are another story. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 13 15:34:32 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 13 08:20:23 2011. Euclid. Yes. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Dec 13 21:05:54 2011, in response to Re: Week 3 for R1/9s run for the Holidays, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 13 15:34:32 2011. "What's that D train doing here?":) |
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