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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 18 22:10:39 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 22:00:52 2011. 205 isn't really a stub terminal though ... they built past it to allow some fine high intensity relaying back there. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Oct 19 00:02:39 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 22:00:52 2011. All bets are off as to the colors beyond Euclid, since the colors starting at Broadway-East New York are wrong.Following the red Utica (and Ralph and Rockaway), Broadway-East New York (and Liberty etc) should have been purple, followed by a blue Euclid (and 76 etc), and then a green CBB. (This is the same sequence shown on the Concourse with red Tremont, purple Fordham, blue Kingsbridge, green Bedford Park, and Queens Blvd with red Ely, purple Queens Plaza, blue Roosevelt, green Continental, yellow Union Tpke.) Since they got the existing stations east of Rockaway wrong, there's no certainty to their keeping the sequence correct in the unbuilt ones. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Oct 19 02:15:29 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 12:48:38 2011. +1 |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Oct 19 06:07:44 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 17 12:46:18 2011. Oops!I forgot Silver Fox had passed away. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 19 06:52:53 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 16:01:43 2011. and then went under the stub street off of Des Arc RoadNice oddity. :-) I didn't know about that one. Thanks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 19 07:25:24 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 22:00:52 2011. Ah yes, I got it backwards. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 19 07:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by gbs on Wed Oct 19 00:02:39 2011. I guess the entire Crosstown line is green because of Hoyt? |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Oct 19 08:43:17 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 19 07:26:49 2011. In the original design, the color changes at the next express station going either northbound or southbound from downtown Manhattan. Therefore, aside from the fact that the (G) is a two-track line (no express), it would have been necessary to arbitrarily choose a point in Brooklyn equivalent to downtown Manhattan, so that colors could change in both directions from it. It was easier to make the entire line one color.Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Wed Oct 19 11:54:30 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Billy P. on Sat Feb 12 23:10:05 2011. Clearly implies that the Cross Bay Blvd and 106th St stations are along Linden Blvd, although it would have looked better if 85th St had been placed a little further east.Bob |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 12:19:36 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 19 06:52:53 2011. Actually, if you go to Google Street View and look at the street sign on the telephone pole for that short block - it says "LINDEN BLVD".Click Here for link. wayne |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 19 14:13:16 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GIS Man on Wed Oct 19 08:43:17 2011. I would have just treated it with a change at every station. Whatever sequence comes after hoyt, and then keep going along the line. it would have made it much less bland. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:02:43 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 18 22:10:39 2011. It was actually built past the station as a provision for further extension into the east Bronx. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 15:03:17 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 10:50:56 2011. They probably got this proposed route a lot earlier than 1940. The 1939 Hagstrom Manhattan map still showed the 6th Ave el. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 15:07:33 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 19 14:13:16 2011. There are three distinct greens along the Crosstown - the two-toned one that matches Hoyt (up to Flushing); the Nile green found at Broadway and Metro-Grand, and the Hunter green used from Nassau Avenue to Court Square. Granted they aren't the prettiest colors in the system, but they're different enough to be somewhat interesting. Add the oddball architecture at some of the stations (Nassau, Myrtle-willoughby, etc.) and it's not all that dull. And they don't match all the I-beams to be green either - some are red, some blue, some yellow etc.wayne |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Wed Oct 19 16:23:07 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:02:43 2011. correct. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 16:50:12 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by randyo on Wed Oct 19 15:02:43 2011. Yep ... I know ... didn't think I needed to go that far on it. For all the times I had to hoof across the park from Webster, that would have been fabulous if it had a stop over on White Plains Rd on the way east. Coulda used it. It was either rot for a northbound to Gun Hill or down to Fordham for the autobus ... |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 18:16:25 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 16:50:12 2011. My route- East of 205th St, diagonally under Metro North and the Bronx River Pkwy, and Duncomb Ave, to Gun Hill/White Plains Roads. Original proposed route- across to Burke Ave (transfer there at White plains Rd), and continue east on Gun Hill Road. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 18:19:30 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 18:16:25 2011. A Bronx crossing route would probably be better towards the center of the borough, down towards Tremont more optimally for best borough ridership since the crosstown buses have always been awful. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 19:30:15 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 18:19:30 2011. I was thinking of continuing it eastward on Gun Hill Rd to Bartow Ave, to Coop City. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Oct 19 19:35:34 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 12:19:36 2011. :-) That's just brilliant! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 19:56:06 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 19:30:15 2011. Obviously that's where it would end up ... it'd need to cross all the other lines to be of much use for the borough. But if we're doing it north of Tremont, Burke looks like a decent path ... |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 22:09:39 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 19:56:06 2011. A handy connection to the #2 line, and an instant upgrade for the whole area along Burke Avenue. Ah yes, what might have been...wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 22:18:00 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 22:09:39 2011. I was partners with a musician with "Elephant's Memory" in a business on 233rd to the east of WPR. While the 3rd Avenue el ran, it was fairly tolerable getting back and forth from the storefront and studio. Once the el was torn down though, that would have been a gigundo pain in the butt. One of the big problems with the Bronx is that you can only go transit north and south from wherever you are and bus service absolutely chewed dead donkey lungs east and west. Having that IND crosstown really would have made a major difference wherever it went. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 22:43:23 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 22:18:00 2011. I remember EM - both in their "Mongoose" (great song!) and "Liberation Special" days. They had a positively smokin' hot guitar man in Wayne "Tex" Gabriel.wayne |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 22:52:04 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 22:43:23 2011. Indeed they did ... Tom Doyle was my partner in crime at Bronx Sound Studios ... :) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 23:03:23 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 22:52:04 2011. Both "Liberation Special" and "Cryin' Black Sheep Blues" have licks that I like to keep up my sleeve. Tex is up there on the list of my many sources. That descending blues scale in the 7th bar of the lead in "Black Sheep" is especially effective.We're getting off topic! -w- |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Oct 19 23:06:49 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 23:03:23 2011. Constantly shifting members ... at one time Carly Simon hung out with them too. One of the few bands in the city that changed members more than riffs. :) |
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Posted by ModelRider on Thu Oct 20 09:42:09 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 12:19:36 2011. Awesome find. Sounds like something Kevin Walsh should pick up. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Oct 20 12:58:09 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by ModelRider on Thu Oct 20 09:42:09 2011. I think I've already seen it on Forgotten New York. Besides the partially built portion between 88th St and Cross Bay Blvd, most maps until recently showed a fancy interchange at N/S Conduit Av, with Linden Blvd continuing over a ROW down the middle of Tudor Park to 88th St. This ROW is still visible between two fences. When Dumont Av was first connected thru to 88th St, there was even a curb cut at the southwest corner of 88th and Dumont, since closed up.Bob |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 20 14:34:02 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Oct 19 19:30:15 2011. However, at the time the cross Bronx subway was originally planned, Co-Op City did not exist although subway construction towards that general area would probably have spurred some sort of development where none had previously existed as was the case with rapid transit construction in Queens. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 17:10:19 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 20 14:34:02 2011. Who knows, a subway connection across Gun Hill might even have saved Freedomland! One of the things that killed it was lack of direct transportation. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 18:42:12 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Oct 19 12:19:36 2011. Did Linden Blvd ever connect? or was it always in sections? |
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Posted by GIS Man on Fri Oct 21 09:39:27 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 18:42:12 2011. It never connected. Check out http://gis.nyc.gov/doitt/nycitymap/?z=7&p=1027284,184494&c=GIS1951 showing the area in the 1951 aerials. The two buildings used by NYCDOT on the east side of 88th St were already built by 1951, but Linden Blvd between them was always closed. Also, the westbound overpass from N. Conduit Av. to Linden Blvd. does not appear either in this photo, or in other photos from 1954 either.Bob |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Oct 21 13:46:08 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Oct 20 17:10:19 2011. That's assuming Freedomland would have even been built. If a subway had been built in that general area, some sort of apartment complex not unlike Parkchester might have been built there instead. |
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