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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 15 13:26:19 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 15 13:03:09 2011. When the decision was made not to build to 76th and beyond. I think that's what he meant. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 15 14:17:59 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Feb 15 13:26:19 2011. Yes, that is what I meant. And the line WAS determined to go ONLY to Grant at some point, as that is the layout we have today. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Feb 15 15:23:19 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Sun Feb 13 05:27:15 2011. And, bear in mind, that Hagstrom relied on info from 1939- or earlier, for this 1940 map. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 15 18:00:25 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Feb 15 14:17:59 2011. From some of the info I have seen it looks like that decision was made in 1950 but by that time some of the subway infrastructure had been built along Pitkin. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Feb 16 01:45:18 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Randyo on Tue Feb 15 18:00:25 2011. The line originally was supposed to continue along Pitkin Ave. to Springfield Blvd.I know a retired TSS who had been behind the wall and had seen the 76 St. station. He said he saw a 4 track right-of-way at the station, but no tracks were installed, and the walls were tiled for 76 St. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 16 13:28:58 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Feb 16 01:45:18 2011. Too bad he didn't take any photos. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 16 15:24:26 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Feb 16 01:45:18 2011. don't even go there..LOL..You might start these "know it all's" up saying stupid crap..like "you can't prove GOD exist,so how can you prove the station is there.."? Right,MORRIS? |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Feb 16 15:42:00 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Feb 16 01:45:18 2011. One of the individuals who was supposed to have been there circa 1956 is also a retired TSS but back when he was on the job they were called M/M/Is. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station |
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Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Wed Feb 16 16:36:28 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 16 13:28:58 2011. This is somewhat like sightings of Bigfoot or UFOs people see them but no clear photos exist to prove or disprove their existence.Karl M |
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UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 16 22:41:46 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76th Street Station, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Wed Feb 16 01:45:18 2011. Glenn Ho says he knows a "retired TSS who had been behind the wall and had seen the 76 St. station."Uh huh. Tell us more, oh Glenn Ho. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 06:55:33 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by SilverFox on Sun Feb 13 20:12:34 2011. If true, it would have been very interesting to have seen this all play out.The question is, how much by the 1970s would this system have deteriorated given the budget crisis of that time? |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 17 07:23:01 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by BMTLines on Sat Feb 12 21:18:32 2011. This says Cross Bay Blvd. I don't now if it was going to be an express stop or if there would have been another intermediate stop between 76th St and Cross BayThere's a track map in the May 2004 ERA Bulletin (p6) that would answer your question. If I can be bothered, I'll redraw it at some point and post the results. Cross Bay Boulevard was to have had a very interesting track layout. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 17 07:30:51 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 06:55:33 2011. Those of you who know my subway historian credentials will know that I do not endorse ridiculous notions, but I will say unequivocally that a number of Long Island subways exist, right now.They can be found in locations throughout Brooklyn and Queens. Almost all have regular service, unknown to many. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GIS Man on Mon Oct 17 08:38:31 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Feb 13 13:54:01 2011. Scan or link?Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Mon Oct 17 08:40:56 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by N6 Limited on Sun Feb 13 02:26:01 2011. Was the line supposed to continue east on Pitkin Av and then under Aqueduct Racetrack? Or was there possibly a plan to turn onto Linden Blvd? Most maps until quite recently showed Linden Blvd running through not only between N/S Conduit Av across Tudor Park, past 88th St. to Cross Bay Blvd, but also across the corner of Aqueduct Racetrack.Bob |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by Allan on Mon Oct 17 08:53:51 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 17 07:30:51 2011. "....but I will say unequivocally that a number of Long Island subways exist, right now.They can be found in locations throughout Brooklyn and Queens. Almost all have regular service, unknown to many. " For example?? |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 17 09:15:04 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 17 08:53:51 2011. Well there's a section of subway hidden beneath Flatbush Avenue, squeezed between Prospect Park and Botanic Gardens. The cognisenti who know about this secret tunnel do not have to go Franklin Avenue to connect to the Fulton Street el. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives) |
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Posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 10:05:49 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives), posted by arnine on Sun Feb 13 15:25:53 2011. think anyone kept any micro film as back up? |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 10:50:56 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by G1Ravage on Sun Feb 13 14:06:52 2011. think HAGSTROM would have any info saved? like HOW they got they're info to make the maps? |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by vfrt on Mon Oct 17 10:52:39 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by SLRT on Mon Oct 17 09:15:04 2011. They are not getting your joke. ;-) |
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Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 17 11:08:57 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 17 07:23:01 2011.  Things to note: 1) The crossovers immediately east of 76th Street are very puzzling. All they do is allow a train to skip 76th or 84th, but not the other — i.e. they're almost totally superfluous. 2) Cross Bay Blvd is a very neat design. It would allow end-on terminating of full-length Fulton St Locals and short Rockaway Shuttles, but also through operation of the Local and the Rockaway Branch, with the Express eventually continuing on to 229/Linden. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives) |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Oct 17 11:14:08 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives), posted by arnine on Sun Feb 13 15:05:08 2011. Uh Huh... Join the Museum and then VOLUNTEER to do the project!ROAR |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 11:23:13 2011, in response to Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 17 11:08:57 2011. the whole intersection at Cross Bay would be totally different today, alot of houses wouldn't be there. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Mon Oct 17 12:38:37 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue And 76th Street (Transit Archives), posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 10:05:49 2011. If there was ever anything to back up. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 17 12:46:18 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 17 06:55:33 2011. RIP, Adam, for you have achieved a great feat: trolling from beyond the grave. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Oct 17 12:52:08 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Oct 17 12:46:18 2011. (Waits for it) |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 18 07:14:17 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by mike cruz on Mon Oct 17 11:23:13 2011. Not only that one. The intersection at 105/Pitkin would be very very different too. ;-) |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 07:41:16 2011, in response to UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 16 22:41:46 2011. RandyO, who has more time on the job than UTC Bus Roster made virtually the same claim in this post in the very same thread to which you linked. Why didn't you choose to challenge RandyO with your same childish sarcasm? Do you want a discussion of the subject or just continue to be the annoying little prick that we know you to be? |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 18 07:46:34 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 07:41:16 2011. No, his claim is not similar at all. Looks like you fail at reading comprehension just like JayZeeBMT. Makes sense since the two of you are just two childish pricks in a pod. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 07:54:02 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 18 07:46:34 2011. What does your Subject line say, CUNTberg?What did Randyo say CUNTberg? Now, what was that about reading comprehension, CUNTberg? It certainly seems that you are the weak link in the sisterhood of 5. |
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Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 18 07:57:16 2011, in response to Re: Pitkin Avenue/76th Street/Long Island Subway, posted by Allan on Mon Oct 17 08:53:51 2011. Do you have to cross any bridges on the LIE when you pass from Queens into Nassau? |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 18 07:57:50 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 07:54:02 2011. Thank you for proving my point, which I shall now repeat, you fucking asshole: No, his claim is not similar at all. Looks like you fail at reading comprehension just like JayZeeBMT. Makes sense since the two of you are just two childish pricks in a pod. |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 18 08:00:54 2011, in response to Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Oct 17 11:08:57 2011. It appears the expresses would be on the usual "local" track there, and the locals would be on the usual "express" tracks. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 08:05:37 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 18 07:57:50 2011. oooh, CUNTBERG is awfully thin skinned today. You are calling me names but thinking of your father! The sisterhood of 5 will be upset that you melt down so easily, CUNTberg. |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 18 08:19:46 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 18 08:00:54 2011. Yes — that's a favorite IND trick for the local terminal. Compare Bedford Park Blvd on the Concourse Line and 168th on the (A)(C). |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by mike cruz on Tue Oct 18 11:23:31 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 18 07:14:17 2011. I'ts weird because that area of the race track is a big lot that looks just a lil bit outta place now. |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 11:53:52 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 18 07:14:17 2011. Pitkin and 105th St. do not intersect, and never have. 105th St. has always dead-ended south of Sutter Av, although some maps show it connecting through to Linden Blvd.Bob |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 18 11:56:48 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 11:53:52 2011. Exactly. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Oct 18 12:16:21 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 08:05:37 2011. if you don't like what terrapin posts, DON'T RESPOND TO THEM!!!!!!!think of him as Tinkerbell, if you believe in him(responding to his remarks) he will get stronger.... |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 12:48:38 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by monorail on Tue Oct 18 12:16:21 2011. I don't like terrapin personally and I don't like what he posts. On the other hand, while I suspect that responding to him won't change him, I do come here for amusement and he is quite a little amusing fellow. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Oct 18 13:07:45 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 07:41:16 2011. Aren't you just livid? |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 13:12:20 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Oct 18 13:07:45 2011. Hardly livid, David. Like swatting an annoying little gnat. |
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Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Oct 18 13:21:32 2011, in response to Re: UTC Bus Roster knows a retired TSS who has been to 76 Street (Was: Re: Pitkin Avenue and the 76), posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 18 13:12:20 2011. Haha. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 13:25:58 2011, in response to Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Union Turnpike on Sat Feb 12 20:39:58 2011. I have a question here that might merit an answer: If this line had been constructed along Pitkin Avenue, would the station at Cross Bay Boulevard have had as serious a curvature as the current path of Pitkin Avenue on either side of Cross Bay Boulevard indicates? Or would it have diverted along 133rd Avenue on its course eastward? The way that Pitkin Avenue bends at a 40° angle right at Cross Bay would indicate the likely need for gap fillers unless the station was situated wholly on either side of that road. Not sure if that would be advisable for an express/terminal type station (duly noting that it currently exists on one side of the Union Square station).thanks in advance, wayne BTW I would suspect the tile would have been in the Green family at CBB, with yellow following at 105th. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 15:12:17 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 13:25:58 2011. I suspect Linden Blvd, not 133rd Av, as some maps show 105th St. extended all the way to Linden Blvd (now inside Aqueduct Racetrack). The fact that the subway line was never built might conceivably explain the partial building of Linden Blvd between 88th St and Cross Bay Blvd. The portion between Centreville St and Rockaway Blvd has, as far as I can determine, never existed. It does not appear in either the 1924 or 1951 NYC aerials.Bob |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 15:42:49 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 11:53:52 2011. I have actually, never seen any actual plans for the path the subway would take if it had been extended past the rumored 76 St station. If it continued along Pitkin Av, it would have to curve south to follow the path of the street. If it were to have gone straight, then it would have had to go through private property including a cemetery which might have been problematic. As was mentioned in other threads on this subject, in the early part of the century, Pitkin Av ended at approximately the Bkln/Qns border and the road that is now referred to as Pitkin Av in Qns was called South Road. Sometime in the 1930s or 1940s, Pitkin was through routed into South Road and the entire length of the thoroughfare was changed to Pitkin Av. I have been unable to locate any maps or other documentation indicating exactly when the street alignment was changed in the area but I would suspect it might have been done around the time the IND was being built there. Since the city through routed 6 Av in Manhattan between W 4 St and Canal St in order to facilitate building the IND subway it is highly possible that something similar took place with Pitkin Av in order to facilitate the proposed extension of the IND subway even though the extension was ultimately never built. |
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Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 18 15:45:45 2011, in response to Re: Map Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 11:53:52 2011. I have actually, never seen any actual plans for the path the subway would take if it had been extended past the rumored 76 St station. If it continued along Pitkin Av, it would have to curve south to follow the path of the street. If it were to have gone straight, then it would have had to go through private property including a cemetery which might have been problematic. As was mentioned in other threads on this subject, in the early part of the century, Pitkin Av ended at approximately the Bkln/Qns border and the road that is now referred to as Pitkin Av in Qns was called South Road. Sometime in the 1930s or 1940s, Pitkin was through routed into South Road and the entire length of the thoroughfare was changed to Pitkin Av. I have been unable to locate any maps or other documentation indicating exactly when the street alignment was changed in the area but I would suspect it might have been done around the time the IND was being built there. Since the city through routed 6 Av in Manhattan between W 4 St and Canal St in order to facilitate building the IND subway it is highly possible that something similar took place with Pitkin Av in order to facilitate the proposed extension of the IND subway even though the extension was ultimately never built. |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 16:01:43 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GIS Man on Tue Oct 18 15:12:17 2011. So then it would have branched off Pitkin Avenue at Sitka Street and then went under the stub street off of Des Arc Road on its way to Linden Boulevard. Kind of makes sense.wayne |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 18 17:35:53 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 13:25:58 2011. BTW I would suspect the tile would have been in the Green family at CBB, with yellow following at 105th.Green would have been next as it would change at Cross Bay. I assume since 105th would have been an "express" station, the color would change to yellow there, and so forth. What do those two track stubs mean as they approach 105th? |
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Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 18 22:00:52 2011, in response to Re: Pitken Avenue And 76th Street, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 18 17:35:53 2011. Actually Chris - CBB would have been green as Euclid is purple - but (allowing for the spectral-order mistake in the purple/blue groups) - the 85th and 76th Street stations would be Purple - as is Euclid - and, as is the case with the two-track stub terminal at 205th Street in the Bronx, 105th Street would not have been yellow; rather, it would be Green. Going toward town, it's local, local, local, EXPRESS in the color group, and the next group starts with the next local stop.wayne |
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