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Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Dec 11 12:58:30 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. There ya go :) Thanks I appreciate it :) |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Dec 11 13:50:19 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. Before it opened? The floor already looks dirty and used. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 13:53:09 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by N6 Limited on Sat Dec 11 13:50:19 2010. Looks like tile grout to me. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Dec 11 14:07:29 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 13:53:09 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 14:15:46 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by arnine on Sat Dec 11 14:07:29 2010. The station is clearly not open for service. First off, there are no route signs. Initially, the line was to be served by the G and N, not the E. Secondly, those station name signs were changed before the station opened to the public. That large flag leads me to believe this pic was taken well before the line opened, either during of just after some sort of public event, perhaps to commemorate the end of construction. IIRC the line was actually finished by 1984, at least on the upper level. |
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Posted by VictorM on Sat Dec 11 14:53:44 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 14:15:46 2010. They had a Press tour of the Archer Av line in March 1988. |
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Posted by xtimx on Sat Dec 11 14:55:04 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. What an atrocious design. Reminds me of brutalist architecture.The tiles are 2 different colors yet don't seem to be a pattern, almost like they ran out and finished it with something else. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 15:05:34 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by xtimx on Sat Dec 11 14:55:04 2010. Even though this station opened in 1988, the design is straight out of the early/mid 70's. We all accept that good taste took a vacation during that era. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 15:06:09 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by VictorM on Sat Dec 11 14:53:44 2010. I am willing to bet that this pic was taken around that time. |
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Posted by arnine on Sat Dec 11 15:16:32 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 14:15:46 2010. I agree there were different tours of the new stations before it actually opened. |
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Posted by El-Train on Sat Dec 11 15:58:55 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. I actually do recall seeing this signage a couple of times over the years when using the station. Only a handful, myabe 1 or 2 remained/remain. The fact that: 1)LIRR is mentioned and 2) the sign was illuminated by the backlight (they loved doing that in circa-'80's subway work apparently, look at 179th/Jamaica's turnstile area from this same photo collection, which looks similar to the renovation 137th/City College received in it's turnstile area) caught my eye.If the line was completed by 1984, then why did it take all the way into the tail end of 1988 for trains before trains started running through it? BTW, I'm loving these new set of photos. For years now I've been clamoring to see photos on the circa-'80's subway. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 11 16:24:20 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 14:15:46 2010. Why in the end wasn't the G and N not sent to Archer? |
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Posted by rionOne on Sat Dec 11 16:29:58 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. A little TLC, some soap, a good high pressure steam and this station can once again look like that.... |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 11 16:41:11 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. Ugh, 80's architecture but a lot cleaner than now. I think a powerwash could do wonders for this place today.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 16:58:38 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by rionOne on Sat Dec 11 16:29:58 2010. The massive water leaks will have to be fixed. Next time you are there, look at all the drip pans/patches. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:00:41 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by El-Train on Sat Dec 11 15:58:55 2010. If the line was completed by 1984, then why did it take all the way into the tail end of 1988 for trains before trains started running through it?Not sure. The connection to the el wasn't started until the summer of 85, and trains were using it as early as September '87. Maybe they wanted to wait until they had enough GOH cars to avoid having to run the crappy cars on it. Imagine R16's on the lower level.....it would be embarassing. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:11:39 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 16:58:38 2010. The ceiling has been ruined by the water. You'd think that after all this time, The Leak could be fixed - it's just a joint between two sections of storm-sewer under Archer Avenue. But NO...wayne |
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Posted by monorail on Sat Dec 11 17:13:17 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by rionOne on Sat Dec 11 16:29:58 2010. 'A little TLC'you gotta be kidding.................. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 11 17:21:47 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:00:41 2010. GOH R30's did get down there, but there were "dirty" R27's/R30's still on the "L" train shortly after Archer opened. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:30:39 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by monorail on Sat Dec 11 17:13:17 2010. The choice of surfaces was all wrong here. And today's conditions are a result of those choices. You can't clean that acoustic material too easily. There's gunk behind it. All has to be removed. It could get very messy and expensive. Then there's the water issue...wayne |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:34:30 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:11:39 2010. They should pull down all that cheap aluminum siding. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:35:31 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Joe V on Sat Dec 11 17:21:47 2010. Yep, those were the R27's last gasp. A few were painted red and used on the C in 1989, but did not last long. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:37:31 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by ClearAspect on Sat Dec 11 16:24:20 2010. Imagine re-routing all those buses from 169th St to Jamaica Center, only to have Queens Blvd locals serving the upper level. South Queens residents would probably riot over it. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sat Dec 11 18:11:08 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:34:30 2010. It takes $$$$$$, and aluminum siding is fine if it's maintained and no water leaks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 11 22:47:26 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 15:05:34 2010. Haha, so true.
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 11 22:50:43 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:37:31 2010. Not to mention the Crosstown line instead of a Manhattan line! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 11 22:51:57 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by rionOne on Sat Dec 11 16:29:58 2010. That station is more than just cleaning....the materials actually seem crappy. The tiles are in horrendous shape. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 12 00:17:25 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Fred G on Sat Dec 11 16:41:11 2010. It needs... |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 12 00:38:55 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:30:39 2010. Time to call the plumbers! To the basement! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Dec 12 00:39:24 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:11:39 2010. Chambers St. II. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:41:14 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 11 22:50:43 2010. Not to mention the short trains on the G and no weekend service on the N. The idea was to reroute the south Queens buses from Hillside Ave. to Archer Ave. If sentence 1 happened, the bus plan would have been a disaster. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:43:19 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:00:41 2010. The 16's would have had a very hard time getting up to the structure at 121. The upgrade starts long before the line sees daylight. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:44:28 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 16:58:38 2010. Exactly.The water seepage/erosion issue is the #1 reason why the line looks so shitty. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:49:22 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Dec 11 17:11:39 2010. If water is going to come down to a location, it will always find a way to get there. All you're going to do is reroute it. it will jsut find another way in.Manhattan is on an island. Brooklyn and Queens is on an island. We have water pipes and mains all over the place. I've visisted so many other systems and none have water seepage problems like us. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:50:43 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Dec 11 22:51:57 2010. Yogi Berra might say "The line got old young". |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Dec 12 01:12:39 2010, in response to Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 12:51:14 2010. Someone must have changed his mind about the name of the station, because on opening day and thereafter, all those backlit signs were covered over with the current standard black metal signs that say only "Sutphin Boulevard" and don't mention the LIRR. You used to be able to look up into the lights and see the covered-over original signs.At Jamaica-Van Wyck, even the conductor boards were backlit and built into the lights, but they've long since been covered over with standard boards. What was new (and stupid) at those stations was the station name signs installed at platform edge along with the route signs and exit signs. It makes the platform edge way too busy. An original design drawing for Jamaica-Van Wyck shows the station name signs installed on posts between the seats, like at Junction Blvd(7). Also wrong was the station name signs in half-size font. Normally the main station name is full size, with secondary name in half size. Even Roosevelt Island originally had half-size-font station signs, but this has been corrected. (I think Union Turnpike still has the incorrect half-size-font station name signs.) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Dec 12 13:06:05 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:49:22 2010. I've visited so many other systems and none have water seepage problems like us.Most of the deeper stations near the waterfront in Tokyo have that problem. They either divert it with large water pipes or pump it up to a nearby river. Another interesting case is when they were digging a tunnel in the mountains for a High Speed line, they hit an underground water bed. Later they started selling the water from there in bottles as spring water. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Dec 12 13:06:06 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:49:22 2010. I've visited so many other systems and none have water seepage problems like us.Most of the deeper stations near the waterfront in Tokyo have that problem. They either divert it with large water pipes or pump it up to a nearby river. Another interesting case is when they were digging a tunnel in the mountains for a High Speed line, they hit an underground water bed. Later they started selling the water from there in bottles as spring water. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 12 13:20:29 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Dec 12 13:06:05 2010. The problem in Jamaica is the terrain. Jamaica sits on some of the lowest land on Long Island, which means it's a natural place for water to collect. In fact, during the Battle of Long Island, the British forces attempted to outflank the Continental Army in Brooklyn Heights by going through the Jamaica pass, which was the only undefended way to get over the Heights. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 12 13:25:05 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by gbs on Sun Dec 12 01:12:39 2010. Yeah, I noticed that right away. When it opened, it was never called "Jamaica LIRR Station - Sutphin Blvd. It was always called "Sutphin Blvd - Archer Ave" until they incomprehensibly slapped on the "JFK" label.Jamaica Center is a different story. For the first year or so it was called "Jamaica Center - Parsons Blvd". Around 1990 it was changed to "Parsons/Archer". |
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Posted by mike cruz on Sun Dec 12 16:01:05 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Dec 11 17:00:41 2010. before it opened they would lay trains up on the ramp to the tunnel on the J side. |
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Posted by El-Train on Sun Dec 12 16:47:23 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Dec 12 13:25:05 2010. A somewhat recent photo on nycsubway.org's collection of Sutphin photos confirms that some of those original "Jamaica LIRR Station" signs still exist, or at least are concealed under recent signs at the station. They always caught my eye whenever I saw them in years past.....think it was the neato backlighting. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Mon Dec 13 07:18:33 2010, in response to Re: Sutphin Blvd/Archer Ave, before the decay, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Dec 12 00:49:22 2010. Several LA subway stations have water seepage issues, and they are all well above sea level. |
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