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The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train... |
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Posted by aaron on Sun Nov 28 15:10:15 2010 ...last year the LIRR started a "Shabbos" train that runs on Fridays only from Jamaica to Far Rockaway when the clocks are set back and Observant Jews need to be home before sundown. The train leaves Jamaica at 15:04.This train was relevant last year as the regular trains left NYP and Atlantic terminal around 14:05 and 15:05. Over the past year, the Far Rockaway trains were retimed to leave around 14:30. So, now, the "Shabbos" train leaves Jamaica 6 minutes after the regular train. To make matters worse, it doesn't make Locust Manor, Laurleton or Rosedale, so it sits behind the regular train all the way to Far Rockaway. Interestingly, the schedule has funny timing, for example, it shows a 9 minute headway between Lawrence and Inwood, you could walk it in about that time. Given the current scheduling, the train is a waste. Though Friday was a quasi-holiday, not surprisingly most people got on the regular train at Jamaica and hardly anyone waited for the "Shabbos" train. With fares scheduled to go up again at the beginning of the year, the LIRR should figure things like this out a little better. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 16:02:02 2010, in response to The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by aaron on Sun Nov 28 15:10:15 2010. Maybe the next schedule change will reflect end of track work elsewhere, and the domino effects on Far Rock schedule will put them back to the traditional xx:10.They also restored one of the half-hourly Port Wash trains, and act like they gave us something. There are a lot of Jewish people on the lower part of the Oyster Bay branch. Nothing for them. An MU to East Williston would have been nice if nothing else. |
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Posted by Paul Mr. J train on Sun Nov 28 17:30:56 2010, in response to Re: The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 16:02:02 2010. I know some these Jewish people and they are more secular than the Orthodox ones. This train and the Port Washington train are for the ultra-orthodox in Cedarhurst (Far Rock branch) and Great Neck (PW branch). Though running it 9 minutes after the regular is a complete and utter waste of resources (a train, a crew and money to run it) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 28 17:37:23 2010, in response to Re: The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Paul Mr. J train on Sun Nov 28 17:30:56 2010. Though running it 9 minutes after the regular is a complete and utter waste of resources (a train, a crew and money to run it)They don't charge extra fare? A special train like that shouldn't be regular fare. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Nov 28 18:20:27 2010, in response to The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by aaron on Sun Nov 28 15:10:15 2010. I thought as long as the Jew in question wasn't operating the train in any way it was Kosher. I mean an all stops LIRR train works just like those elevators with the Sabbath service. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 19:12:30 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 28 17:37:23 2010. Imagine the discrimination lawsuits for charging them to get home by necessity during off-peak. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 28 19:19:16 2010, in response to Re: The wastefulness of the LIRR, the Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Nov 28 18:20:27 2010. It creates a problem if one is carrying anything. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 28 19:49:29 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 19:12:30 2010. This is a discriminating train. How often do you see Ramadan trains or special Easter/Christmas trains that are on a deadline? |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 19:50:46 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Joe V on Sun Nov 28 19:12:30 2010. Well, I think Olog is right on this one tho. If they are running the train for a specific group or reason, then they should charge an extra fee. Why should all of us pay to subsidize a service used by a specific group? There would be nothing discriminatory about it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:05:15 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 19:50:46 2010. No, he is not right. Jeez, think about it for a minute! |
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Posted by INDependent on Sun Nov 28 20:17:38 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 19:50:46 2010. Since anyone with money can take the train -- how is it discriminatory? |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 20:31:46 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by INDependent on Sun Nov 28 20:17:38 2010. Point taken :) Thanks :) |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 20:32:42 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:05:15 2010. Yes you and INDependent are correct :) Thanks :) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:40:56 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 20:32:42 2010. Thank you. The LIRR runs trains that will carry a sufficient number of paying customers. |
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Posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 20:45:05 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:40:56 2010. Yes :) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Nov 28 20:48:34 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 20:40:56 2010. I guess that would be like charging extra fares for the special Meadowlands trains or for the extra trains that run on New Years morning... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 28 21:42:21 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sun Nov 28 20:48:34 2010. Maybe? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 29 18:01:29 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 19:50:46 2010. They run a train for demand. Anybody can ride it. |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Nov 29 18:05:42 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 29 18:01:29 2010. Yes TS already told me thanks. |
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Posted by numbersix on Mon Nov 29 18:28:17 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Mon Nov 29 18:05:42 2010. Special trains for Jews bring back some bad memories... |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Mon Nov 29 19:13:04 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by numbersix on Mon Nov 29 18:28:17 2010. It's not the trains, but the destinations.... |
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Posted by arnine on Mon Nov 29 19:55:49 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by numbersix on Mon Nov 29 18:28:17 2010. I know what you are getting at but these trains are much different than those trains and also these trains have way different destinations thankfully. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 05:57:19 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 28 19:49:29 2010. Again. Orthodox Jews are not permitted to travel on the Sabbath, so they must be home in time. Hence the extra train to these destinations. Muslims can travel on Ramadan and Christians can travel and Easter and Christmas so they don't need extra trains. You are comparing apples and oranges.The LIRR is doing a service for observant Jews. Its a nice gesture but I agree that it should be eliminated if its too costly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 30 06:42:09 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 05:57:19 2010. It should continue if it's well used. If not, then it should be eliminated. It's no different than a "Baseball" special, or other event specials....if well used, great, if not, not necessary. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 06:59:25 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 05:57:19 2010. You miss the point. The train is run because there are enough paying customers who want to ride it and who most likely would overwhelm the train immediately before it. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 30 07:24:32 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 05:57:19 2010. It'd only be costly if nobody rode it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 08:53:00 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 06:59:25 2010. Sabbath trains have to run earlier and earlier the closer the winter solstice gets. That can play havoc with the schedule. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 08:53:59 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 05:57:19 2010. Orthodox Jews are not permitted to travel on the SabbathThey should read their Torah then and throw away the Talmud. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 08:56:49 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 08:53:00 2010. "That can play havoc with the schedule"The Far Rockaway line has extra capacity so it wouldn't really play that much havoc on the schedule. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 09:31:00 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 08:56:49 2010. Define "extra capacity", especially when it comes to the Main Line. There is no direct route from Far Rockaway to Penn Station that avoids the Main Line or Babylon Branch. The only way to take advantage of "extra capacity" is to make the sabbath trains into shuttles. (Of course, if Christians finally recognized that they should be observing the seventh-day Sabbath and that observing Sunday is completely unbiblical, that might help matters . . .) |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 10:10:56 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Sun Nov 28 20:31:46 2010. Yeah, it's not a Monsey Trails bus. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 10:14:47 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 09:31:00 2010. Right forgot about the main line part. So yes it can play havoc but is done so I guess it works. Ridership must support it, but if not the train should go away. But then more cars should be placed on the train earlier. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 10:15:35 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 10:10:56 2010. True. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:30:16 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 08:53:00 2010. That's not the issue being discussed. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:31:01 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 10:15:35 2010. How so? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 11:37:31 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:31:01 2010. You get looked at if you're not 'one of them'. The driver may not let you on the bus. I work with a woman who was told that there were "no more seats for your kind" when she took a later bus than usual. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:52:50 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 11:37:31 2010. Sorry, I don't believe you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 11:55:34 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:30:16 2010. Yes, and more's the pity. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 12:09:24 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 11:52:50 2010. You're entitled to experience the discrimination yourself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 12:13:31 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Nov 30 12:09:24 2010. If it even exists. Which it certainly may not. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 13:08:05 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 12:13:31 2010. Sorry I have heard several stories like that in the past and current. In fact, years ago 1 railfan who is Italian tried to board one of their buses as he wanted to ride since he is a bus fan too and he was denied boarding. I never tried to ride though, so I cannot say first hand but I doubt that would happen to me as I am Jewish. That is why I said True. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 30 15:26:18 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 13:08:05 2010. Tell your friend to tell him "gay cocken yom" (sp) next time, which means "go take a shit in the ocean" which is supposed to be a huge insult. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 15:30:30 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 30 06:59:25 2010. Fine. Then it should be continued. See? That was easy. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 15:31:42 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 08:53:59 2010. The Karaite Jews in Israel do exactly that. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 30 15:55:57 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 15:31:42 2010. I wound up living with one last year, they are crazy... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 30 16:01:38 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 30 15:55:57 2010. They say that all of the other Jews are crazy. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Nov 30 16:50:00 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 30 15:26:18 2010. That's a good one. I will let him know and it would be a great one for the future :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 17:01:51 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Nov 30 15:26:18 2010. No, it doesn't mean that. "Geh kocken offen yom" (you omitted a word) is fake Yiddish; say the phrase a few times. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Tue Nov 30 17:09:53 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 09:31:00 2010. Far Rockaway trains do not use the Babylon Branch at all. They share tracks with the Long Beach Branch west of Valley Interlocking in Valley Stream (since 1933-1950's on the current elevated structure and long before that on the ground). The Far Rockaway line (most of it) and the Babylon line which parallels it at Valley Stream at one time were actually owned by different companies. At the hour the extra train runs there should be adequate capacity for it. During rush hour more trains use the Jamaica-NYP trackage and the tracks from Jamaica to Valley Stream. Of course before 1950 the extra train could have been routed over the Rockaway Beach Branch and Jamaica Bay trestle and avoided much of the main line altogether although I don't think that any running time would have been saved. If anything the running time to those stations via the Main Line and Valley Stream was probably shorter. I wasn't around then so I don't know for sure. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Nov 30 19:05:51 2010, in response to Re: The Far Rock Shabbos train..., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 17:01:51 2010. In English, the word for sea is "yam," spelled with an A. "Yom" means "day." |
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