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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Mar 4 10:59:15 2008, in response to Re: Diagrams Re: Air Train question, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 4 06:54:12 2008. No, parking lot people are not being charged for airtrain.No, I said they are paying for parking, and in doing that, just like in all the other lots, they can ride airtrain, just like their occupants. That's like that for all the parking lots that connect to airtrain. By that line of thinking, they can't charge A train riders if they aren't charging everyone! Sure they can, it's no different than the argument you are saying from the other angle. They can't charge people to use airtrain if they already charged them for parking! "No other airport in the country does such a thing". The parking fee allows the people who paid it, as well as those in their car to ride Airtrain. That is not the same as to say (as you twisted) that airtrain is INCLUDED in the parking fee. Like I asked, WHAT WAS SO PREMIUM ABOUT THE BUS THAT COST $2????? And how was the free bus so much worse? The bus was connected to the "premium" service called the JFK Express. That bus was FREE for those people that paid for the JFK Express. All the other regular subway people, if they didn't have a JFK Slip had to pay $2 for the use of that bus when they walked out of the subway station to the parking lot. The bus was the best they could do transport people from the HB station, there was no Airtrain back then, so that was the best they could do at the time. Today, they have a better system, it's called AirTrain. People who already paid for parking (and their occupants) can ride that paid branch of AirTrain free, just like the people that used to pay for the JFK Express could ride the $2 shuttle bus from Howard Beach for free. That $2 shuttle bus was the only way to get to the airport terminals from Howard Beach unless you paid for the JFK Express. There was no "parallel service" then either. For 10 years, unfortunately there was no premium services to the airport. That changed once again with the opening of AirTrain. The JFK Express was only a premium service back then because the A ran local in Brooklyn back then, and the JFK Express used the express track. Today, the A runs express all day, so there is not as much of a need for a JFK Express-like train if it's sharing the same trakc with the A anyway. No, it is ped toll. The HB branch is free. It is on the property. No, it's no different then when they the normal subway people had to pay $2 to use the shuttle bus, while JFK Express people rode that bus for free....same as the parking people paying for parking allowing them and their passengers allowed on for free. It's a fee for the use of Airtrain, just like there was a fee in the same exact location to use the $2 shuttle bus when the JFK Express ran. The Q10 always was allowed to circulate the airport for free, the only difference is now the connection to the free circulator is made at Federal circle (which makes sense since the airtrain free circulator circles anyway). The kiss and ride people luck out, but there would be no way to make some sort cost effective fare collection method to have them pay. Anything would require the parking lot people to have a pass, similar to the way the JFK Express people had a transfer slip. The cost of insttuing that sort of a card fare collection system at Lefferts would probably be higher than just letting the kiss and ride people ride free. The cost of the fare collection system revenue would probably be more than any revenue they would collect from the kiss and ride people, so they luck out. No real way to avoid that cost effectively. No you didn't. I want to know what the parallel free service is, just like how the (A) paralleled TTTTP. I am very surprised you don't know former subway patterns. Back when the Train to the Plane ran, the A used the local track in Brooklyn most of the day. Today, the A runs express in Brooklyn most of the day. The need for the JFK Express is much less now because it would be sharing the same tracks with the A. Once the A ran express all day, the JFK Express became even less important and was eventually discontinued. |
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