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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 09:53:08 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 09:46:11 2011. Yes, the ILLEGAL immigrants here, you know, the ones that the LAW in question is addressing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 09:57:00 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 09:53:08 2011. The article highlights that people aren't jumping up and taking these jobs that are available.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:01:22 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 09:57:00 2011. Of course not. And I have no problem with LEGAL programs for workers to come here and do them, as well as for LEGAL immigrants to take them too. But there are other jobs that Americans will do, even if not great jobs, such as Restaurant, Hotel, and so forth. I think we can all agree that most Americans won't be thrilled at taking farm jobs. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 10:16:59 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:01:22 2011. Yes, farming is hard work and a lot harder than almost any job paying same wage. Factory work is hard work as well, but that kind of work is dwindling. Farm wages will likely have to increase to attract workers, which will raise food costs for the consumer.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:29:06 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 08:13:22 2011. Perhaps because of where you live or who you might interact with (or don't interact with) you don't know the types of jobs that people come here illegally to work, but it's not farming. It's quite easy for farmers to employ foreign workers under the guestThe jobs that I'm talking about are manufacturing jobs, construction jobs, unskilled laborers, and many trades. Jobs that used to provide an entry level for Americans to work and make a livable wage. Except that now because of competition with foreign workers here illegally many of those jobs no longer pay a livable wage. That's what you are supporting. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:31:46 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 07:48:02 2011. They don't work yet people still suffer. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:32:38 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 6 07:26:49 2011. Yet you want to force economic injustice on other Americans. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:33:29 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 10:16:59 2011. It would have to increase a lot for legal Americans (of any race or ethnicity) to want to do it. I have not seen very many non-Hispanics working farms in my lifetime. Even where I lived in the south where there were essentially no Hispanics at that time, the people working even the small farms were all Hispanic. And this was 30 years ago. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 10:33:45 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 10:16:59 2011. Another good point that you made here Fred your other post similar to this one was spot on as well. American workers are going to have to do these jobs. Driving up costs. I doubt those jobs are union jobs. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:33:59 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 08:33:57 2011. The issue is that laws like this will likely cause fear in legal immigrants as they likely are going to be stopped more often by the police. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:40:03 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 10:33:45 2011. No, that's not true. The US has a guest worker program for farming that makes it easy for foreign workers. The problem is that it's really hard work and they get paid very little so any of them that can do anything else, will. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:43:05 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:32:38 2011. So much so that he's actually so anti-Americans that he compares a state in the Union to Hamas, a terrorist orgnaization responsible for the misery, and death of thousands of people, and people that live under exploitation and terror, and all in a war zone. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:45:19 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:43:05 2011. Meh... there's a reason I don't listen to Kanye West, Maroon 5, Michael Moore, or any of the other people who boycotted. Instead of working to actively solve the problem, they engage in a boycott that affects the poor and middle class but not the rich policymakers (who can afford to lose money to stand up for their political ideals). Santana has spoken out against SB1070 but he's still chosen to perform in Arizona. Therefore, I respect him. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 10:46:04 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:40:03 2011. Er what's not true? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:47:39 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:40:03 2011. And the article was actually ABOUT the guest worker program, and absolutely nothing to do with illegal immigration, nor the laws in Arizona or Alabama. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:50:43 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by TonyG on Thu Oct 6 10:33:59 2011. Legal immigrants have nothing to fear, as they are here legally. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:54:16 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 10:46:04 2011. American workers are going to have to do these jobs. Driving up costs. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 10:58:33 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:29:06 2011. Thanks for the California report, and assuming that I support lowering wages as well, or whatever your ending statement means.I posted that article to show that one sector of business isn't showing a vacuum of local people showing up to work or staying on the job. I'll agree that people aren't crossing the border expressly to work farming jobs. I do personally know businessmen who used to hire illegals and now only hire citizens and legals and have a revolving door because the locals don't really want to work, or so it seems. So maybe it is different here. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 11:00:45 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 10:47:39 2011. Good catch!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 11:01:24 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 10:54:16 2011. Darn I meant to say "might" stand corrected. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 11:32:24 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 10:58:33 2011. Bringing up farming is a red herring since that's not the jobs that people are here illegally to work.I posted that article to show that one sector of business isn't showing a vacuum of local people showing up to work or staying on the job. My post that you responded to with a condescending "LOL" and a NYT article was about Americans losing their jobs to people here illegally. The NYT article had nothing to do with that. Guest workers are here legally because Americans don't want to do that work. That's why the program was created. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 11:34:48 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 11:01:24 2011. I don't think that it's even "might" at this point. Americans don't want to do that work and that's why we have a program to bring in foreign workers. No one that I know of is suggesting ending that. Our farming industry would collapse. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 11:51:32 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 11:32:24 2011. I was making a joke. Sorry you found it condescending.I don't think farming is a red herring; I think it may just be the tip of the iceberg and probably other "hard work" trades may be experiencing the same thing. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Oct 6 12:26:40 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by SMAZ on Thu Oct 6 07:26:49 2011. 6 billion people in the world are not 'your fellow Americans'. Secondly, with the way you treat actual Americans, I wouldn't want these undeclared tourists to be treated by you. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 13:12:31 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 11:34:48 2011. Well American workers need to get it together if they are going to have That mentality.... In my opinion. I'm from the do what you got to do to survive mold. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 14:46:04 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Railman718 on Thu Oct 6 13:12:31 2011. True. But also keep in mind that most americans live in cities and suburbs which by nature tend to be far from most of the farm work. Also outside of California and maybe a few other places the work is short term. There are only certain periods when they need lots if people and you'd have to be willing to move around. And honestly Americans aren't going to work like slaves like foreign workers will. Theres just no way that Americans would be as productive. Just a fact. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 6 16:56:19 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 09:57:00 2011. GW Bush, among others proposed a "Guest Worker" program which addresses all concerns. We have less expensive labor to do "the jobs that no American wants to do" but they are in this country legally. We just know who and where they are. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 17:01:19 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 6 16:56:19 2011. I think GW Bush got it right when it came to immigration.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Thu Oct 6 17:13:03 2011, in response to After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by dand124 on Tue Oct 4 08:58:16 2011. "Critics of the law, particularly farmers, contractors and home builders, say the measure has already been devastating, leaving rotting crops in fields and critical shortages of labor. "Looks like the Republicans know what's best to give back to regular Americans seeking low-wage jobs with little or no medical benefits or vacaction time or anything else for that matter. |
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Posted by Streetcarman1 on Thu Oct 6 17:15:02 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, NYT Runs with False Headline, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 4 16:59:46 2011. It should really read Illegal immigrants flee an Alabama town. It's really about anyone who is illegal will get stopped and asked for their papers. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 17:22:07 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 17:01:19 2011. We're just not going to agree! :)IMO we should be ashamed of our guest worker program. For coming here to do the jobs that we won't for wages that are just ridiculous, they should at least get some sort of path to citizenship. They also end up with kids born here yet they aren't legally allowed to stay unless they are working. I think that they do that for 2 years, pay taxes, don't get convicted, and they should automatically get a temporary green card that would allow them to file for citizenship. Or something. Something more than what they get. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 17:26:04 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Streetcarman1 on Thu Oct 6 17:13:03 2011. Yeah well "critics" say a lot of things. Don't believe everything that you read. There aren't enough homes being built right now that anyone would complain of a labor shortage. And farmers hire legal workers here on the guest worker program for the most part. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Oct 6 18:28:20 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 17:22:07 2011. What they have now is a start and better than the "build a big fence" idea but yeah I agree with what you say here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 6 19:21:23 2011, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Easy on Thu Oct 6 17:22:07 2011. Why. We pay to have our cars washed because we don't want to do it. Same with oil changes. I pay someone to mow my lawn. These people get paid for things that I do not want to do but get no special privileges for the work. The guy who washes my car doesn't get to drive it at night. The guy who mows my lawn doesn't get to have a picnic on it. The guest workers get paid for their labor. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 10 22:44:49 2012, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Oct 6 07:45:31 2011. That's very egocentric. The children are also Mexican Citizens by virtue of their parents. It's absurd to say that it's inhumane for Mexicans to be brought up in Mexico.Immigrants to the US from Mexico don't come from prosperous areas. They live in the ass parts of Mexico where they live with asses (in the biblical sense). When was the last time you met a Mexican immigrant from Mexico City? People who live in Mexico City are élites who live in high rises and ride the Metro. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Mar 10 22:51:21 2012, in response to Re: After Ruling, Hispanics Flee an Alabama Town, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Mar 10 22:44:49 2012. Heh. Is Newt campaigning down there now? :) |
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