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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Oct 3 23:13:30 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Phantom909 on Mon Oct 3 23:05:48 2011.

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"uh wrong. they are marxists heres a list of their 13 demands from their website."

Another clueless DUCK in the crowd.....listen...if you looked at the website...that was from someone outa thin air that posted that in there...doesn't mean they...the group...advocates those demands...do you get it? you're reading way too much into this.....the same way as Luchie and ChrisR16 are both on the same boat.....




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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 3 23:20:54 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by Dan on Mon Oct 3 16:35:16 2011.

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Another toady for the rich fucks. I dare you to release such data for any CEO making over one million a year. I dare you. Coward.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 3 23:50:10 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Oct 3 23:13:30 2011.

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And for anyone who actually READ it, they were fishing for ideas. They weren't publishing any at this time.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Oct 4 00:04:55 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Oct 3 22:56:57 2011.

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Please, stop race baiting.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 01:58:21 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Oct 4 00:04:55 2011.

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If you would just listen to "Keeping It Real" with Al Sharpton, you would know what I am talking about.



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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 02:00:48 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Oct 4 00:04:55 2011.

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Also, do what you have to do to qualify for the car cleaners job that NYCT will hire for next year.

Get your foot in the door. It pays well and you can move up.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Oct 4 02:24:50 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 01:58:21 2011.

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sharpton....planes....wwe....sharpton...planes..wwe...zzzzz

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Oct 4 02:25:00 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 01:58:21 2011.

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sharpton....planes....wwe....sharpton...planes..wwe...zzzzz

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 02:29:23 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Oct 4 02:25:00 2011.

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you forgot brentwood.

I know a lot about that place.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 4 04:38:33 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by SMAZ on Mon Oct 3 21:19:28 2011.

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Which eight? I support just four:
Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now. [This I hold to be fundamental to growth. It's how they've been doing it in East Asia.]

Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. [No surprise there. Migration is fundamentally a good thing, at least within the Western world.]

Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system. [I don't think this is a big deal, but anything that stops all the varieties of silliness from hanging chads to voter registration fights can only be a good thing.]

Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies. [They make banks substitute rumor and defamation for proper risk assessment. At best, they're a harmless shortcut; at worst, they cause financial panics. But it would be easiest to outlaw them on data protection grounds.]

One I hold to be unnecessary, but not particularly bad:
Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment. [Of course, it would be subject to abuse; this is why I oppose this one. I'd much rather see amendments for DC voting rights, abolition of the Electoral College, and a presidential line item veto.]

A further four, I agree with at least part of the ends, but not the means:
Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.

Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment.

Demand four: Free college education.

Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.

The remaining four look like an unmitigated recipe for economic disaster:
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending "Freetrade" by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr.

Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand.

Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America's nuclear power plants.

Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the "Books." World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the "Books." And I don't mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period.


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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 4 04:51:27 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Phantom909 on Mon Oct 3 23:05:48 2011.

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Demand Fourteen: Bring back the RFW to all of the rapid transit and commuter railroads throughout the globe.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 4 05:21:12 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 4 04:38:33 2011.

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Demand eleven ... sounds like some of those bankers came downstairs and signed some papers. :)

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 4 07:31:54 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Phantom909 on Mon Oct 3 23:05:48 2011.

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Heh. Let them try those demands in a certain continent across the Atlantic . . .

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:02:03 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 4 05:21:12 2011.

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While most of them are way out there, Demand eleven has the unicorns flying around.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:04:40 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Oct 4 04:38:33 2011.

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I couldn't support any of them. If I had to reluctantly chose one, I would take number six (Infastructure), and Number seven (forestation), but either of them would have to be scaled back from what they say.

The Migration freedom thing is just nuts.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:05:59 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Oct 4 04:51:27 2011.

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That would make more sense than most of the absurdities on the list.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 4 08:06:48 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Oct 3 22:23:44 2011.

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Everything comes back to sex with the liberals.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Oct 4 08:25:21 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Oct 4 02:00:48 2011.

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Alright man thanks for the reminder.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:32:46 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:02:03 2011.

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Yes, #11 has too much acid content for my taste.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 4 08:36:16 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 4 08:06:48 2011.

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. . . must be a shortcoming on their part.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:41:47 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 4 08:06:48 2011.

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I hope they have lots of sex and raise lots of liberal babies. :-)

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:43:45 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 4 07:31:54 2011.

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They don't have to. Today's Germany has a POWERFUL union.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:44:00 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:41:47 2011.

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Kids often become the opposite of their parents

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:46:16 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:44:00 2011.

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You'd like my father. "RIGHTIE".

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:51:42 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:46:16 2011.

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I don't particular care for right wingers. Especially the far right religious nuts. I don't care for the leftist lunatic fringe either (such as these Wall St people) either.
I think both sides are extremely dangerous in their extremes.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Train Dude on Tue Oct 4 09:23:03 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:51:42 2011.

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This is the truth. Libertarian Conservatism is what our founding fathers envisioned.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 10:49:19 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 08:51:42 2011.

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No. You and my Dad would be the same kind of rightie.

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Oct 4 16:25:52 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Oct 4 08:06:48 2011.

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Libruls are dogs, bro ... if you can't sniff it, eat it or piss on it, fuck it. :)

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Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 4 16:51:29 2011, in response to Re: Anti-Wall Street Protests Spreading to Cities Large and Small, posted by RockParkMan on Tue Oct 4 08:41:47 2011.

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. . . that is, if their babies don't grow up to cause so much mayhem as to bring the society down.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by Dan on Tue Oct 4 19:09:26 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by ntrainride on Mon Oct 3 23:20:54 2011.

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"I dare you to release such data for any CEO making over one million a year."

I didn't release the data. It is PUBLICLY available for lookup at:

http://www.whois.net

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by Dan on Tue Oct 4 19:19:15 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by Dan on Tue Oct 4 19:09:26 2011.

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Even an email address can be PUBLICLY verified in certain cases. For example your email indicates that you are probaly either employed by, or are using the facilities of the Suffolk county (NY) public library system:

jgagliar@suffolk.lib.ny.us

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 4 21:15:23 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by SMAZ on Mon Oct 3 21:19:28 2011.

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I support seven of them actually.

#1,2,4,5,6,10,13.

#3 doesn't work.

#7 is feel-good nonsense. Current law already does a lot of that and decommissioning nuclear power plants defeats the purpose of #5.
Their price tag is unaffordable.

#8 is redundant with the Civil Rights Act and other similiar legislation and would only be needed if a reactionary Supreme Court were to start striking them down.

#9 is pure lunacy.

#11 is what President Hoover's people wanted and is more lunacy.

#12 is not feasible. Strong regulation and oversight is needed instead













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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Oct 4 21:18:57 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 4 21:15:23 2011.

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The problem with this movement is that in America apparently you have to be in favor of plutocracy, or you're a Marxist. There is no in-between.

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Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 4 21:23:27 2011, in response to Re: Wall Street ''occupiers'' even dumber than first thought, posted by SMAZ on Tue Oct 4 21:15:23 2011.

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Well at the very least we both agree that #9 and 11 are pure lunacy.

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