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Re: dand commits another murder of the truth |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 21:25:21 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 21 21:17:49 2011. i don't care what any law or Treaty says i care about right and wrong. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 21 21:29:15 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 21:13:35 2011. I'm talking about offense strategy after a war began. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 21:32:04 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 21 21:29:15 2011. that could still qualify as a defensive. |
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Posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 21:32:12 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 21 21:29:15 2011. that could still qualify as a defensive war. |
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Posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 21 21:36:52 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 21:32:12 2011. An offensive war is one you lose. |
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Re: Rick Perry fulfills his duty to the people |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:36:40 2011, in response to Re: Rick Perry fulfils his duty to the people, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 21 20:17:10 2011. LOL.At least your subject correction was almost correct. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:41:04 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 20:24:46 2011. Although I am opposed to capital punishment in modern society in general, capital punishment is in self-defense of the state and of the people and society which it represents. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:46:56 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 21 20:16:39 2011. Davis (who, by the way, is about to be executed after a partial-SCOTUS review denied a stay) had eyewitnesses who recanted or otherwise "backed off" their earlier, sworn testimony, according to numerous sources, Brewer did not.Both executions, however, are, IMO, wrong. Capital punishment is an abhorrent thing that serves no interest of justice at all. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 22:50:07 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:46:56 2011. It's not as cut and dried as you think though. What I heard was that not one of those witnesses will testify. They will only give affidavits and the fact that they will not be cross examined nor answer any questions casts doubt just as it would if it were during a trial. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:54:24 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 21 20:30:13 2011. No, because it wasn't society that killed the victim. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:54:35 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 22:50:07 2011. I think this suggests they are trying to avoid being charged with perjury, if what you "heard" is, in fact, true. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 22:57:47 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:54:35 2011. I'm very surprised that you don't know whether it's true or not. Why would saying it out loud be anymore of a cause for perjury than an affidavit? Besides what's the statute of limitations? Can't be that long can it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:58:05 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 21 20:26:21 2011. The enlightened state should not be in the business of vengeance. If you don't like it, move to a pseudocracy (euphemistically called a theocracy). |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:59:37 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 21 20:19:46 2011. I have a brain, so I don't buy bull. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 21 23:01:17 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:46:56 2011. The recantations were coerced by lawyers that have an anti-capital punishment agenda, the bullet casings matched the gun Davis was found with.He fucking did it. No tears, I sleep better knowing both are DEAD. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 23:01:25 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 22:57:47 2011. You are the one saying you "heard" something, without citation, so how can I possibly know if your statement is true? I don't know what the starute of limitations on perjury is in Georgia, but I'm fairly certain lying under oath in a capital case is something that wouldn't be ignored, even two decades later... |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 23:02:36 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 21 23:01:17 2011. WHAT lawyers "coerced" these recantations? Links to unbiased sources, please. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:07:08 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 23:01:25 2011. Because if you know anything about this case and are offering these witnesses as evidence of his potential innocence I would have expected that you would know something about what you were saying. Well technically my expectation is that you wouldn't, but you know what I mean.The witnesses likely either lied then or are lying now. If no one can talk to them to find out what happened, how do we know which one is the lie? It's ridiculous. I'm against capital punishment so I don't think that he should be executed, but I'm not going to legitimize complete BS just because of that. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:09:04 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 23:02:36 2011. They won't let anyone talk to the witnesses so we can't really know their motivation. We should be skeptical in any event, but because of these circumstances we should be additionally skeptical. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Sep 21 23:15:34 2011, in response to Execution Carried Out, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 21 20:03:53 2011. The same element of people who were complaining about Republicans applauding the death penalty at the recent GOP debate, are the same element of people who actually applaud this particular execution.Such hypocrites. Here's a list of people who applaud this execution: (list to be posted later) |
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Re:Rick Perry commits another murder |
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Posted by The Silence on Wed Sep 21 23:17:49 2011, in response to Re: Rick Perry commits another murder, posted by dand124 on Wed Sep 21 20:19:41 2011. the bible says murder is not ok; but excution, by the government, of a convicted criminal is not murder.what would you do with him? let him rot in a cell for lord knows how long; entitled to medical care that would keep him there even longer as it gets better. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 23:20:02 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:07:08 2011. Here's an interesting provision: "A person convicted of the offense of perjury that was a cause of another's being punished by death shall be punished by life imprisonment." 16 Ga. Code §70. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:30:53 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 23:20:02 2011. Wow! I don't know how what is going on now might fit into that. If he's executed can they still be tried for perjury even though they recanted? Unless there's a statute of limitations that comes into play I would think so. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 22 05:38:17 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:07:08 2011. Excellent post!!! |
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Re: dand commits another murder of the truth |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 22 06:22:53 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:54:24 2011. Then society has no power to punish any crime. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 22 06:29:51 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 21 22:58:05 2011. The enlightened state is in the business of judgment and execution because the civilized state took that right away from the friends and family of the victim.I'm glad you don't want these things done in your name, though. I'm just imaging a judge saying "In the name of the people of the State of New York, and of Spider-Pig, you will be put to death." |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 22 06:46:38 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:07:08 2011. 1. No gun was ever recovered in the killing of McPhail, but prosecutors linked shell casings found at the scene to an2. Witnesses who "placed Davis at the scene" on the night of the shooting, have, in fact, recanted their statements, and several jurors, according to numerous sources (including the article linked above) have reportedly "changed their minds" about Davis' guilt. 3. Fifty-one members of Congress, a former President, and Pope Benedict XVI have all spoken out against Davis' execution. It seems highly unlikely that all of these figures would intercede on behalf of a convicted, black cop-killer, unless they were certain of his innocence. Even former FBI director William sessions has said there is grave doubt concerning Davis' guilt in this case. 4. Where are you getting this information that "no one can talk to the witnesses"? They have publicly recanted themselves, more than once. 5. People DO get executed, even when there is serious doubt of their guilt. Consider the case of Claude Jones, the last man executed in Texas under then-Gov. George W. Bush. A strand of hair that allegedy put Jones at the crime scene of a fatal liquor-store robbery, and used as evidence against him in his case, turned out NOT to be his, after all. Jones had asked for DNA testing to be done, but Bush's staff never made the governor aware of this, and it wasn't carried out until after the execution. 6. Food for thought: The United States ranks fifth in the world in the number of executions it performs, putting it in the company of countries like #1 China, #2 Iran, #3 N. Korea, #4 Yemen #6 Saudi Arabia, #7 Libya #8 Syria. It is very telling to note that among these eight countries, the US is the ONLY democracy, and regularky takes all of the other countries to task for their human-rights records. Something to consider, no? |
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Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Sep 22 06:55:35 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 21 20:21:59 2011. He was King Solomon, actually.LOL. Qoheleth certainly tries to make people believe he was Solomon. Of course he tries a little too hard in places (2:9 is pretty obviously written by someone who has read historical/legendary accounts about Solomon and rendered them into the first person). Virtually no-one has seriously believed that Ecclesiastes was written by Solomon since at least the 16th century (it's one of those blindingly obvious things that it took having someone as unpleasant as Martin Luther to mention publicly). R.B.Y. Scott said it best: claiming that Ecclesiastes was written by Solomon is "like claiming that a book about Marxism in modern English idiom and spelling was written by Henry VIII". I say "virtually no-one", because over the 20th century a certain strand of idiotically naïve Biblical literalism has arisen in American Protestantism that wants to stick its fingers in its ears and go "la la la" at anything that contradicts their world view. This most commonly manifests itself as Young Earth Creationism, but it also often includes a complete rejection of Biblical scholarship in general and the historical-critical method in particular, even in cases that are so clear-cut as Ecclesiastes. So, actually, Ecclesiastes was written by an unknown person, probably in the 3rd century. It's unlikely to have been written after 200, because three fragments of Ecclesiastes were found in Qumran cave IV, which have been palaeographically dated to the mid-2nd century, and because of the huge number of parallels between Ecclesiastes and Ecclesiasticus (aka Sirach or Ben Sira; which we can date to 196-175), which are usually taken as being strongly suggestive of Ben Sira having access to a copy of Qoheleth. It is just about tenable to suggest a 4th (e.g. Choon-Leong Seow) or 5th (e.g. William P. Brown) century date, but this does tend to look either like a scholarly being awkward for the hell of it or like a pathetic attempt to mitigate Qoheleth's dishonesty by reducing the number of years' separation from the time of Solomon. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 22 07:31:38 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 21 20:04:28 2011. why dont you tell us?could it be the very simple fact that there was NO QUESTION OF GUILT FROM EITHER SIDE? THAT THERE WAS ACTUAL PROOF AND EYEWITNESS ACCOUNTS? Or could it be that he was a neo nazi? or could it be he was a random white guy that was picked up on the street? |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 22 07:39:52 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Easy on Wed Sep 21 23:30:53 2011. now you see why they would turn his conviction over..too many people for the state to feed and house for life. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Terrapin station on Thu Sep 22 07:41:12 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 22 07:39:52 2011. Huh? No. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 22 07:42:02 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Terrapin station on Thu Sep 22 07:41:12 2011. huh? yes. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Sep 22 08:31:24 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Sep 21 22:46:56 2011. Really? You can say that killing a convicted felon is wrong but they took the lives of two innocent men without any remorse. Davis already killed someone else in an separate case before he killed the Savannah, GA officer. Byrd was murdered by three men in a sick racial case. Why little media attention or tweets over the TX execution? |
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Re: Rick Perry commits another murder |
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Posted by vfrt on Thu Sep 22 10:17:09 2011, in response to Re: Rick Perry commits another murder, posted by SLRT on Wed Sep 21 20:54:03 2011. ==When they sent people to the Concentration and Death Camps, they actually bought third class tickets on the Reichsbahn for the deportees.==Not only that. The SS had to negotiate the price with the Reichsbahn. Shows how evil was reduced to a bureaucratic function. |
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Re: dand commits another murder of the truth |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 10:31:23 2011, in response to Re: dand commits another murder of the truth, posted by SLRT on Thu Sep 22 06:22:53 2011. Sure it does. How does it follow that society can't punish a crime if they can't execute anyone? Or can't execute someone if there is some doubt of their guilt? |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 11:36:07 2011, in response to Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Sep 22 06:55:35 2011. AWESOME POST! +∞ |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 22 11:56:41 2011, in response to Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Sep 22 06:55:35 2011. Americans imported biblical literalism from Europe. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 11:59:39 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 22 06:46:38 2011. Why did you stop at 8? |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:03:09 2011, in response to Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 22 11:56:41 2011. And? You believe that America should follow Europe? |
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Re: Qoheleth Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:03:09 2011, in response to Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Sep 22 06:55:35 2011. Virtually no-one has seriously believed that Ecclesiastes was written by Solomon since at least the 16th centuryThis is why you are narrow-minded yourself; you listen to narrow-minded people. |
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Re: Qoheleth Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:04:00 2011, in response to Re: Qoheleth Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:03:09 2011. LOL!you listen to narrow-minded people. I don't think he listens to you. |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:06:31 2011, in response to Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:03:09 2011. Our current President does. |
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Re: Qoheleth Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 22 12:07:06 2011, in response to Re: Qoheleth Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:04:00 2011. I don't think he listens to youThat's what I said. He listens to narrow-minded people. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Sep 22 12:19:02 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 11:59:39 2011. LOL! |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 22 12:20:17 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 22 06:46:38 2011. You are of the opinion that there is no such thing as a black man guilty of shooting a white cop.That's all you had to say.. |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 22 12:28:30 2011, in response to Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:03:09 2011. No, I believe that, after a legacy of witch burning, fascism and socialism, they should not lecture America on the sins of religious fundamentalism or the benefits of atheism. |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:29:49 2011, in response to Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 22 12:28:30 2011. So you have nothing to counterclaim KGT's post and instead engage in guilt by association? |
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Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Sep 22 12:45:35 2011, in response to Re: Ecclesiastes Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 12:29:49 2011. I'm not making any counterclaim to it on a factual basis, I'm taking issue with the alleged moral authority he claims to make such pronouncements. Americans didn't kill 6 million Jews in the name of Protestant fundamentalism.It's Europe with the legacy of taking things too extremes. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 22 13:09:22 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 22 12:20:17 2011. How interesting that you now feel it is appropriate to state my opinions for me. |
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Re: Execution Carried Out |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Sep 22 13:11:43 2011, in response to Re: Execution Carried Out, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Sep 22 11:59:39 2011. Eight is enough. Don't you find it telling that the United States is the only democracy among those eight countries? |
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