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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 19:52:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 22:37:47 2011. one of the photo was taken during Bush's termLike I said, leftists. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Fri Jul 29 19:58:17 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 19:44:04 2011. yes, and this is NOT a flag "flying at Pearl Harbor", it's a photo of a JAPANESE Submarine, participating in a muiltinational bi annual event, done with many countries. the flag is flying on the JAPANESE submarine, not "above Pearl Harbor". It’s a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor the very thing you said was offensive. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Japanese flag is flown over the naval base at Pearl Harbor as well. what are you babling about here? who is talking about a mosque? what does THAT have to do with the comment *I* was responding to of yours, which was: how would you react if there were Muslim symbol at ground zero Ok, if there are going to be religious symbols at “ground zero” (and I don’t want there to be) than peaceful, law abiding Muslims have a right to be represented. yes, and there's still no japanese flag flying over it. How do you know it wouldn’t surprise me if there is one at least when these joint exercises are going on? and they have nothing to do with the conversation about "a muslim symbol over ground zero", that YOU even brought up. I brought it up because you said the following: So bring something from "your" religion. I could care less if they put a big Star of David in the middle if they want. Go for it. You can’t allow symbols from one religion without allowing them from all religions. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:03:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 22:37:47 2011. what does 'bush" have to do with it, and why would anyone have a problem with a JAPANESE vessel displaying THEIR flag at Rim of the Pacific exercise (RIMPAC), a multinational biannual event? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Fri Jul 29 20:07:26 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:03:41 2011. what does 'bush" have to do with itolog blamed leftists for allowing it; a brought up Bush to prove that it wasn't just leftists and why would anyone have a problem with a JAPANESE vessel displaying THEIR flag at Rim of the Pacific exercise (RIMPAC), a multinational biannual event? ask Olog and Luch they're the ones bothered b it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 20:08:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Fri Jul 29 20:07:26 2011. They don't want anybody mentioning Bush because they're too embarrassed to admit that he was one of theirs ... |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:15:21 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Fri Jul 29 19:58:17 2011. It’s a Japanese flag at Pearl Harbor the very thing you said was offensive.LOL!!! try and grasp some more straws as you continue to sink. there's nothing wrong with japan flying THEIR flag on THEIR ships that are participating in a multicountry, biannual event. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Japanese flag is flown over the naval base at Pearl Harbor as well. so show it to us, all you did was show us flags on Japanese vessels participating in a multi-nation event. Ok, if there are going to be religious symbols at “ground zero” (and I don’t want there to be) than peaceful, law abiding Muslims have a right to be represented there's no 'religious symbol' going there, a t-frame piece of steel from the wtc is going there. How do you know it wouldn’t surprise me if there is one at least when these joint exercises are going on? During the multinational, biannual event in which Japan participates in? Maybe, but probably not, and even if it was it would still only be there for the event. And that's if it even is. I brought it up because you said the following: correct. you brought up a muslim religious symbol, AT WTC site and I responded to that post. STILL have no idea how that all of a sudden became a mosque. You can’t allow symbols from one religion without allowing them from all religions. no one is not allowing it. come up with some other debris that may be debris that they saved from the pile, and I am sure they will let you put it in. For example, they found a prayer book or something from some Jewish person's luggage from one of the planes or something like that, or some Buddist artifact from some Buddist, they will gladly put it in one of the display cases for you. They may even put Mouhammad Atta's prayer note book in the showcase as an artifact if they found that piece of trash. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:18:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Fri Jul 29 20:07:26 2011. they didn't research the photo to discover that it was not flying at pearl harbor, but instead flying on a Japanese vessels participating in biannual multinational event. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:21:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 20:08:58 2011. 'okay'. although i still don't know what bush has to do with a japanese vessel displaying their flag on their own vessel at a multinational biannual event in which they are participating. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 20:28:19 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:21:24 2011. Maybe it had something to do with the timing. Wasn't me who brought that up but I sure do get a kick out of the desperate scrambling among certain people whenever the name comes up to deflect it off the conversational ball court with extreme prejudice whenever that name pops up. :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:37:13 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:21:24 2011. Nothing. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:39:37 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:15:21 2011. there's no 'religious symbol' going there, a t-frame piece of steel from the wtc is going thereThe atheists must all be vampires if they're afraid of it. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 20:40:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 09:45:33 2011. there is no prevision, or law, or court ruling, from preventing a private museum from displaing the cross in an exhibtion hall. They're not puting the dam thing on a plinth outside. you'd have to go inside and find it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:40:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 29 00:29:07 2011. Heh what?I see your self hatred is still raging. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:43:03 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 20:40:52 2011. They sure aren't putting it on a government building either. (And so what if they did?) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 20:52:16 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:37:13 2011. Yep ... nothing. And yes, the barrel was his gift to her from Rasmussen, a librul polster. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 20:54:00 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 20:39:37 2011. So you have no problem with that which symbolizes ... the POPE? :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:10:23 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jul 29 10:02:59 2011. He's not correct about the part that the amendment only constraints acts of Congress and not agencies. As for whether such constraint applies here is a different story. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:11:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:59:27 2011. 1986 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:15:30 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 15:14:43 2011. You're one to talk about "growing up."Public property belongs to EVERYONE. Everyone has an interest in it. As for a cross in a museum, as a historical artifact it would be relevant. It remains to be seen how this cross will be displayed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:16:38 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:59:27 2011. Without religion, the technology to build all that would never have been invented. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:19:11 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by RockParkMan on Fri Jul 29 19:19:49 2011. The flag was and is their naval ensign. The regular flag with just the sun and no rays was and is their civil flag. Nothing changed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 21:23:46 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:16:38 2011. False.
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:26:24 2011, in response to Re: GP38/R42 Chris is silent Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jul 29 20:15:21 2011. there's no 'religious symbol' going there, a t-frame piece of steel from the wtc is going there.If that were true, then why was that piece of steel recovered, displayed on the site for years and then stored at A CHURCH in the interim? What exactly makes something a religious symbol for you? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:27:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 29 19:15:19 2011. And the mosque is not being built over ground zero. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:33:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 21:23:46 2011. The Renaissance, Age of Enlightenment and Modern Science are all within the modern Christian era. Christianity didn't disappear in 1400. More specifically, the industrial revolution, by which all the technology of a modern city was created as a result, was spearheaded by devout Christians called Dissenters. Without them, Western Europe (and America) would still largely rely on mercantilism, slavery, wooden ships and agriculture.Don't argue history with me. You will lose. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:34:55 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:27:01 2011. Depends on your definition. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:37:10 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 20:40:52 2011. In that case it is likely fine if it's just another museum exhibit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:37:46 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 21:23:46 2011. That's a myth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:39:15 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:33:32 2011. PROFF? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:39:59 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:16:38 2011. LOL. Yeah right. All of our great inventions were created by God telling inventors what to do. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 21:40:50 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:15:30 2011. NO IT DOESN'T. "public property" is land set aside for public use, it is not owned by everyone, it is owned by the government, which makes it the owner and not the people, that's why there is such a thing as "tresspaing on public proprty".I explained that to you already, but you're too pent up with your parinoia to listen. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:40:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:34:55 2011. And it the other Chris is depending on his definition of "flying over Pearl Harbor." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:42:33 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 21:40:50 2011. And the GOVERNMENT serves EVERYONE. The government belongs to the people.Go change your handle and spend an entire thread having people guess who you are like some baby playing "Guess Who." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 21:43:14 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:37:46 2011. I know ... but sometimes you just HAVE to. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 21:44:38 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:33:32 2011. Then how come you didn't learn Reagan? :)
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:48:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:39:15 2011. Here's someVirtually all of the major innovations which led to modern industrialization can trace their origins back to the English dissenters. James Watt, the man credited with inventing the steam engine, was a Dissenter. Dissenters believed that technology and profit were subordinate only to faith in God and Jesus and pursued advancement with a religious zeal. People love to concentrate on how Christianity held back civilization (and it did), but they don't want to hear how religion helped advance it, especially in more modern times. You can't take away religion and assume we'd be a more advanced society. It's far more complex than that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:52:34 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:40:54 2011. Pearl Harbor is a more defined term than Ground Zero. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:54:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:48:40 2011. I am not the one who says we'd be a more advanced society (like I said, that the Middle Ages were devoid of progress is a myth). But the World Trade Center attack wouldn't have happened. And I disagree that society would be worse off. For one thing, I don't associate that picture with a society that has never had religion, I associate it with a society that has outgrown it.And many atheists consider profit and technology subordinate not even to faith in God (some atheists though are socialists or communists, but it's not like all Christians were dissenters). Without some phony afterlife to look forward to, the only way to have happiness is to bring it on now. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:54:53 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:52:34 2011. And it includes the harbor any ships in it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:58:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:54:17 2011. Without religion, there probably would not have been a World Trade Center to destroy. That was my point. Religion destroyed it, but religion helped build it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 22:14:36 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:48:40 2011. People love to concentrate on how Christianity held back civilization (and it did)Catholicism, not Christianity. Note how these advancements started to go forward the more that the Bible was not held back from being written in Latin only. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:17:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 21:54:17 2011. Here's a man who can explain it better than me. Science historian James Burke really lays out how important these "revolutionary religious fanatics" were almost singlehandedly responsible for creating the modern technological world (the one with the ability to build 2 110 story skyscrapers) into existence.One of the most galling misconceptions made by many modern people is that freedom "from" religion was responsible for the technological and cultural advancements rooted from the Italian Renaissance. That's simply not true. Newton was a religious fanatic who was driven to invent modern physics just to see how "God" operated. Galileo may have been a harsh critic of the Pope, but he received Communion every week he was sentenced to house arrest for preaching his anti-Aristotle view of the universe (the last 10 years of his life, to be exact). Michael Faraday, the man credited with discovering the connection between electricity and magnetism that pretty much dictates how we generate almost all of our electricity (as well as how we communicate electronically) was a Glassite, a Scotish form of Dissenter. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 29 22:19:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 22:14:36 2011. 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 22:29:23 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:17:11 2011. Galileo may have been a harsh critic of the Pope, but he received Communion every week he was sentenced to house arrest for preaching his anti-Aristotle view of the universe (the last 10 years of his life, to be exact)But consider that Aristotle was no Christian, and yet the RCC so ardently defended his philosophies, especially his metaphysical treatises (Thomas Aquinas incorporated the concept into his "Five Ways"). Galileo was more Christian than they, at heart. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:46:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 29 22:29:23 2011. The problem was not with Aristotle, but with Aristotle's view of the universe being in the Bible. If it was wrong, it undermined the entire Church. This battle had little to do with actual religion. When Copernicus initially proposed his solarcentric universe model, the Catholic Church was pleased. It gave them the ability to introduce a new calendar that was far more accurate than the one they were using (which was nearly 2 weeks out of alignment). When Galileo initially published "The Starry Messenger", no one took much notice, until he said that his findings proved the part of the Bible which claimed the Earth was at the center of the universe was dead wrong. THEN the Inquisition came calling. In reality, the entire episode was rooted in politics, not religion. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 22:49:10 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:46:41 2011. Given that the Church was the state in Italy at the time, it was even more so politcs. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:54:15 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 22:49:10 2011. The Church itself was a political entity. What Galileo's writings did was undermine the political power of the Church (divinely granted from Biblical teachings). The Church itself had accepted that Copernicus was right years before Galileo published his first book. |
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Posted by The Silence on Fri Jul 29 23:00:33 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 22:33:19 2011. he meant on a flag pole on the base in place of the US flag, not on a foriegn ship in port. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 23:01:26 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 22:46:41 2011. This is an excellent post. I am actually pissed when people misrepresent the Galileo incident. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 29 23:01:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 29 21:58:01 2011. Way to ignore my post. |
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