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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011 They're cloaking the antisemitism under "animal rights".As for Halal, 80 percent of animals so slaughtered are stunned, so it's the 20 percent that aren't that they'll pursue, if the vote goes through. Daily Telegraph
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:24:44 2011, in response to Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011. The prohibition against Jewish Kosher or Muslim Halal meat from animals slaughtered by having their throats cut before being stunned is expected to be passed.It says that their throats are cut before being stunned. What the fuck is the point of that? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:28:39 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:24:44 2011. The point AFAICR is that a stunned animal won't exsanguinate (bleed out) properly. Jewish law emphasizes eating no meat with the blood in it, and this is also important for making certain meat "holy". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:31:01 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:28:39 2011. Sometimes I hate religion in general. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:55:40 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:31:01 2011. Don't go too far left. Next you'll be hating family . . . |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:05:43 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:31:01 2011. This is the weakest of all reasons to hate religion.Like the proposed circumcision ban in San Francisco, this is just antisemitism and it doesn't even have the excuse of protecting humans from harm. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:07:46 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:05:43 2011. animal rights is never a weak argument. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 04:13:39 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:07:46 2011. Err, what? Don't take that plunge into loony left area. How do you like Spain, where apes actually have rights accorded to humans? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:16:46 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:07:46 2011. Except that kosher slaughter is not inhumane. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:54:26 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 04:13:39 2011. I don't like the treatment of farm animals. It's sad how they are tortured to death. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:58:22 2011, in response to Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_welfare_in_Nazi_Germany |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jun 29 05:27:10 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 04:54:26 2011. It's sad how they are tortured to death. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 07:19:12 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:16:46 2011. Don't confuse the troll with the truth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 29 08:00:11 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 29 03:31:01 2011. Me too. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 08:06:51 2011, in response to Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011. If you don't like it, don't move or visit the Netherlands. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 29 09:19:23 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:55:40 2011. Family.You can't live with them, and you can't kill them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 10:10:48 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 29 07:19:12 2011. Who is trying to confuse you with truth? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 10:12:06 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 08:06:51 2011. No, you can't defend it like that without looking antisemitic. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 10:21:39 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:28:39 2011. The point AFAICR is that a stunned animal won't exsanguinate (bleed out) properly. Jewish law emphasizes eating no meat with the blood in it, and this is also important for making certain meat "holy".It's also instantaneous and more humane than stunning. Judaism doesn't consider any meat "holy." |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 10:22:34 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 08:06:51 2011. If you don't like it, don't move or visit the Netherlands.And if you're Jewish and live in the Netherlands...? Move or become vegetarian? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 10:23:01 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 10:21:39 2011. Judaism doesn't consider any meat "holy."I was referring to the sacrifices, especially in the Temple. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 29 10:23:44 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 29 04:05:43 2011. this is just antisemitism and it doesn't even have the excuse of protecting humans from harmSome have alleged that given the relatively small Jewish population in the Netherlands, this is really just a way to frustrate the Muslim population. Of course, given the tendencies of some right-wing groups, the fact that this affects Jews could be deemed as a "bonus" for some. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 10:40:41 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 10:12:06 2011. so if we don't allow eating dog were antichineese? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 10:41:47 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 10:22:34 2011. excersize your dual citizen ship, or enjoy the veggies. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 29 11:26:41 2011, in response to Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011. "an MP for the Dutch animal rights party"1) Ok, can you imagine the type of place to live in where you elect an 'animal rights party'? 2) Secondly, doesn't this seem a little hypocritical that an 'animal rights party' representative is concerned about how to properly eat the animals they represent? 3) As I am informed, Kosher means the animal does not suffer stress, and stunning the animal would be an abuse the 'animal rights person' is unduly inflicting on said animal that the rights groups are slaughtering and pigging out on. Why are you terrifying an animal instead of happening unknowingly? Kosher is the closest thing to being Organic and Green. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 29 11:27:42 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 08:06:51 2011. Your post has no premise in reality. We are citizens of the world as the Democrats remind us. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:30:31 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Jun 29 10:23:44 2011. Some have alleged that given the relatively small Jewish population in the Netherlands, this is really just a way to frustrate the Muslim populationAnd exactly who made that allegation? This is the same Netherlands where the police pose as decoy Jews to catch violent antisemites. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:32:30 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 29 11:26:41 2011. Ok, can you imagine the type of place to live in where you elect an 'animal rights party'?Never mind that; it's having them as elected officials whose legislation the mainstream parties even give heed to. Secondly, doesn't this seem a little hypocritical that an 'animal rights party' representative is concerned about how to properly eat the animals they represent? We all know what this proposed law is about. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 11:34:22 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by orange blossom special on Wed Jun 29 11:27:42 2011. ok so lets have a beer in Daman or a porkchop in Haifa.and honor all religious freedoms including sharia, chritianity, santaria etc etc world wide. its not all about the jews |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:46:14 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 10:40:41 2011. Not the same thing and you know it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:46:39 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 10:41:47 2011. You're making yourself look more antisemitic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:47:21 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 11:34:22 2011. How deep do you want to dig your hole? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:00:06 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:46:39 2011. differnece is " I don't care" and to most people in world the jews are just another Arab tribe with an attitude.and to the Christians your still the murderors of Jesus. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:00:51 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 11:47:21 2011. he who digs a hole for another ....... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 12:03:22 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:00:06 2011. differnece is " I don't care" and to most people in world the jews are just another Arab tribe with an attitude.and to the Christians your still the murderors of Jesus. What Olog said. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:05:26 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:00:06 2011. I take that back. You're making yourself look 100% antisemitic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:06:21 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:00:51 2011. This is your own hole. Be careful to strike oil or gas instead of magma, eh? for your own sake. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Jun 29 12:07:41 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:05:26 2011. Is there any doubt left? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:08:27 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 29 12:03:22 2011. Olog should get involved in US politics and not worry what other countries do.This country is going to hell in short time and only thing here everyone worries about is who can we blame. not how can we get out of it. If so called anti-semitism is your worry, you better watch for globalisatiion as it will severly diminish the Jewish power in world. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:09:02 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:06:21 2011. wow more ologism... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:11:24 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by BMTLines on Wed Jun 29 12:07:41 2011. I'm trying to find a scrap . . . guess I have to look under the ties at GCT . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:12:35 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:08:27 2011. They said the same thing back in the 1930s. You won't be able to cover what you said with BS like that. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:15:36 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:12:35 2011. is that why you keep scanning European news, cause Germany is now the powerbroker, more powerfull than in 1930's? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:19:49 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:15:36 2011. Germany wasn't a "power broker"; they were a warmongering empire. Stop trying to rewrite history. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:43:47 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:19:49 2011. they are the powerbroker now, reborn and more powerfull.while US is on down slope. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:44:56 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:43:47 2011. They're the same as back in the 30s. What's happening in Holland is proof of that. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:51:31 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:44:56 2011. Again don't worry what happens in Holland, watch your own back yard.this country is so F**ked up and only thing people do is blame left/right. No one not even bachmann , palin, romney or any of other nameless has come up with one plan/solution/initiative to fix the problem. Start by cleaning up the way we live/puchase/deal, if we started to watch at ordinairy citizen level and stop buying chineese goods and employing illegal immigrants, If we stop out war mongering (in name of peace keeping) this country could in future be big again. but not the way we are going now. so stop watching the rest of world and pointing out their faults, clean up the American act. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:53:55 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:51:31 2011. How full of shit do you want to make yourself look? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jun 29 12:55:45 2011, in response to Re: Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 12:53:55 2011. truth hurts ? why is your un-productive ass sitting behind computer ??at least I got excuse, what is yours. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jun 29 13:03:49 2011, in response to Netherlands looking to ban Schechita (Kosher) slaughter (and some Halal), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 29 03:20:40 2011. Time for Jews to get out of Europe altogether. |
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