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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:20:52 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:13:03 2011. We don't have segregated schools.The anger is strong in this one. There is de facto and de jure segregation. The former is when schools are mostly one race or ethnicity or for all intents and purposes of this conversation mostly black and Hispanic or white by private choice. The latter is when students are sent to schools by government authority based on their race. De jure segregation is currently illegal in the United States, but de facto segregation is legal and there is far less in the way of attempts to fix de facto segregation as a tool of promoting educational equity. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:23:24 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:16:39 2011. Where? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:24:35 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:20:52 2011. There is no de facto segregation. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 6 01:26:21 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:07:15 2011. It would be tougher for the kid growing up in a household with domestic abuse and parents who hate each other. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:27:39 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:23:24 2011. LAUSD for one. There are hardly any white people in most LAUSD schools. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:29:18 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:24:35 2011. There is no de facto segregation.I'd argue that there is, otherwise there wouldn't be any majority black, majority Asian, or majority Hispanic neighbourhoods. Segregation does not magically imply forced under this context, as there are lots of people that prefer to live in these types of neighbourhoods. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:29:51 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 6 01:26:21 2011. Is that what you think would happen if black fathers married the mothers of their kids? |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:33:20 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:29:18 2011. When I went to HS in the south shortly after integration, some white parents would form new, mostly white school districts that would leave the older, city school districts essentially 100% black. White parents that lived in the city would find a way to send their kids to the new district even if they didn't live there. Some high schools would have 2,000 kids with 1,995 of them black and 5 white. How weird is that? It's probably not like that anymore. Lots of Hispanics now. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 6 01:34:51 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:29:51 2011. It's what would happen if women kept unwanted husbands of any race. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:36:08 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:29:18 2011. you lack intelligence. if you had any you would understand why minority populations as a percentage are so much higher today, especially in elementary schools and middle schools. it's not hard to figure out.has nothing to do with segregation. and there's nothing wrong with majority Asian/Jewish schools in NYC. Or white people working some OT to send their kids to Christ The King instead of Grover Cleveland or whatever FK Lane is now called. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:36:52 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 5 20:46:04 2011. i dont think so.... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:37:18 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 00:13:32 2011. yes he is.. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:40:59 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Railman718 on Sun Jun 5 07:43:36 2011. correct..To me..welfare has kicked us in the butt for years..making people NOT want to work.. On the other hand..it has helped SOME get out of the hole their in. I dont like it..hard work has ALWAYS paid off in the end. You dont RESPECT the money if you dont WORK for it. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:46:45 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:36:08 2011. No, he's right and you have no idea what you're talking about. Black people in the US tend to both live and go to school in segregated environments. Whether it's self-segregation or not, it's still segregation. Besides that you completely ignored the point that he was making in his original comment. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:57:56 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:27:39 2011. Can you blame them?Besides, whites under 18 are a shrinking demo. It makes sense that there are hardly any whites in LAUSD schools. But don't blame whitey for whatever problems may exist in LAUSD. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:03:52 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:57:56 2011. It has nothing to do with blame. You misunderstood his point. He was responding to me saying that some have claimed that blacks did better in segregated schools by correctly pointing out that many blacks today go to essentially all black schools, yet are not doing "better". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:11:00 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:03:52 2011. Another problem with black schools is that so many kids are simply afraid of their environment. Bullies. Guns. Gangs. For every thug in a minority majority school, there are minority kids who are victims and give up because the bad kids ruin it for those who want to learn. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 02:15:11 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 01:36:08 2011. you lack intelligenceOr you're incapable of reading. Yes, minority populations are increasing, but some of these minorities are opting to live in neighbourhoods where some or most of the residents are like themselves. As an example, if Haitians choose to live in mostly Haitian areas, it is a form of segregation, but it's done at the voluntarily by Haitians. and there's nothing wrong with majority Asian/Jewish schools in NYC Nor did I say that anything was wrong. NYCDoE does not magically prohibit black children from attending these schools. If it's a neighbourhood school, then it's merely a reflection of the neighbourhood, and if it's based on test performance, then it's merely a reflection of difference between average IQ between groups. Or white people working some OT to send their kids to Christ The King instead of Grover Cleveland Bias Note: My father worked OT to send my brother and I to St. Francis Prep. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 02:17:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:11:00 2011. For every thug in a minority majority school, there are minority kids who are victims and give up because the bad kids ruin it for those who want to learn.Due to those circumstances, if public schools are unwilling to expel these students, then should be allowed to seek alternative schooling in the form of charter schools or limited transfers to other schools. While this will allow student to learn more material, I would argue that it will not magically raise test scores to eliminate the achievement gap. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:18:22 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:11:00 2011. It may be like that now, but I suspect not. I think that most kids at any school are going to be "normal" using whatever standards are normal for that school and area. So normal might be different between a school in Compton and a school in Newport Beach, I wouldn't say that most students in Compton are afraid to go to school. Not anymore anyway. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:31:21 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:46:45 2011. Everyone lives in segregated environments. Whether it's the blacks in Laurelton, Hispanics in Corona, or Jewish around Main and Jewel, that's how it is.He's not right and I'm going to respond to him right now. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:36:58 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:31:21 2011. It still sounds like you're completely missing the point. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:45:08 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:36:58 2011. I'm not missing the point. Neither did his father it seems. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:45:08 2011. What are you talking about? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:52:34 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:48:26 2011. His father sent him to a private mostly white school. LOL @ that fact after he complained about segregation. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:54:32 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:52:34 2011. He didn't complain about segregation. He gave no opinion on segregation other than to say that there is evidence to suggest that segregated schools are not better for blacks than integrated schools. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:56:12 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:54:32 2011. That sounds like a complaint to me. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:57:41 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:56:12 2011. Then you aren't understanding something. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:59:56 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:57:41 2011. I understand his grievance. He brought it up for a reason. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jun 6 03:03:43 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:31:21 2011. >>>>Everyone lives in segregated environments. <<<Talk about being off base. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 03:04:58 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 6 02:59:56 2011. He directly responded to something that I said about segregated schools. Maybe you need to reread the comments. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 6 07:00:57 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 02:36:58 2011. What else is new? Seriously. He didn't even catch the fact that that cortelyounext guy was an airline pilot for the first few years. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 07:49:27 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jun 6 01:34:51 2011. Yes, but then why is it so prevalent with Blacks vs other races? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 08:05:02 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:33:20 2011. I didn't go to school in my area, as I lived in the city, but we have a highly affluent White area near the water south, and north is a very poor mostly Black area. In the middle is a transition area which is mostly white, but more average, and then just north of that is a transition area which is mostly blue collar, but mixed. So there are about four (actually five, but for simplicity sake, I'll leave that out) distinct areas all in one community, and all with the same school district.As originally set up, there were four different elementary schools (grades K-5) that served these "four areas", one in each of the areas, which at 6th grade combined in the "middle school", and at 9th grade everyone also went to the same high school. When the area north of the tracks began to get bad in the mid 60's and worse in the 70's, it became more and more Black. What began to happen is that 3 of the 4 Elementary schools where all white, but the one north of the tracks became almost entirely Black. That left a shell shock vacuum in the middle school at 6th grade when all of a sudden all the kids were finally thrown together, as the kids from the all Black elementary school performed way worse than the kids from the other three elementary schools in the district, and now all of a sudden they were all in one class/school, which caused chaos. After some years of this they finally decided to redo the way the schools districted. We still have one high school and one middle school, but what they did with the 4 elementary schools is make three elementary schools out of the 4, and the 4th one in the bad neighborhoood became an "Intermediate" school. So what that means is the lines were redrawn for elementary schcool, basically breaking up the bad (Black) area and drawing the area into three, and those kids started going to the various 3 other elementary schools, mixing with the white kids from those areas at Kindergarten. The former elementary school in the Bad area became Intermediate school for grades 4 and 5 for ALL the district, so all the kids from the whole area went to 4th grade and 5th in that school. What it in essence did was get rid of the "all Black" elementary school, and it was the only way to solve the problem. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 08:16:34 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011. but I recently saw someone say that a lot of black service workers (specifically the female workers)I don't know how it is in LA, but out here, I don't see that problem. But we really don't have many hispanics here in my area (or not nearly as many as in LA), so most of the workers are either white or Black, mostly young, and I really haven't seen a problem in service from "Black female" workers, nor black male, in fact, quite the opposite. But I guess it all depends on the area where you go. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 6 08:16:46 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 00:55:01 2011. "I recently saw someone say that a lot of black service workers (specifically the female workers) often have bad attitudes towards the people they serve on some other message board, and a lot of people agreed. "Not necessarily true. People have preconceived notions about how they expect to be treated and get defensive prematurely. In my local supermarket there is one such person who has been known to, on occasions, "have a bad day". I usually start with a bit of humorous banter and we seem to get along fine. She actually seems to be faster that some of the "nicer" check-out people. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 08:20:26 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:05:15 2011. I don't think that many Americans, of any race, are willing to work as hard as they do and certainly not for as little money.Only because to them, it's "a lot" of money compared to what they are used to. That said, you really don't see many "illegal" hispanic workers in fast food or retail in Suffolk, at least not in my experience. Most of the day laborers are contained with construction, landscaping, etc, not retail/food service. But I can't say that I have had many bad experiences with black female workers. Neither have I, at least not any better or worse than any other race. But then again, many of the fast food workers (or retail cashiers) are usually teenagers, or young 20-somethings. Teenagers are teenagers (of any race). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 08:30:10 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:08:15 2011. Then there's always fears that said employee is more likely to steal, especially for employers that have employed blacks in the past that have done thatA few months ago, I witnessed something that is eating me up that I didn't say something, but I was in a hurry, and it happened so fast that it didn't strike me until I was in my car, and then it was really too late. I was at a "Dollar store", and the young man at the cashier was a young Black man (teenager). In front of me was an elderly old lady who kept talking and talking (and the kid was humoring her, and talking friendly back to her), and her bill came to $23 and some change. She was fumbling with her money, and wound up giving the kid $45 instead of $25, as she didn't notice there were two $20's stuck together, but I did out of the corner of my eye, and I know the kid did. He gave her change, putting the $25 in the cash register, but I saw him stick the $20 in his pocket. He rang me up quick, and only had a couple dollars of stuff, and I was walking out and was in my car. Then all of a sudden it hit me what had just happened, but I can kick myself for not saying something. I probably wouldn't have said anything to management, as I really didn't want the kid to lose his job, but I really should have said something when it was happening like "What about that extra $20 you just snuck under the counter from her", but the lady was so sweet, and I didn't want to make her feel bad, as she was so sweet, and it probably would have ruined her day too that the kid intentionally did this to her, the same kid that was friendly to her face. I know, it probably was worse that she was out $20, but I can't explain it, it would have been like shooting her. In retrospect, I wish I said something, but as it was happening, it all happened so fast, I can't explain it. But it started burning me up that that kid had the audacity to do that. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 11:04:49 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 07:49:27 2011. Yes, but then why is it so prevalent with Blacks vs other races?Given the high out of wedlock rate, it seems to hint that all black men are "bad" men. I'd argue that it's a mix of "bad boy" chasing by black women of all classes who can't or won't find top notch *good men*, some of it stems from lower birth control and condom use* with short-term relationship partners which also explains the elevated STD rate, and the fact that marriage basically reduces or eliminates benefits like Medicaid, SNAP (Food Stamps), Section 8, and EITC. In the case of the latter, what's the point of a working couple getting married if it reduces what they'll get back on their taxes or increases their rent or food costs or eliminates their health insurance coverage? *I (like many others) suspect that the low IQ is causing some of this problem, and that the relatively shortage of attractive men gives certain black men advantage in terms of dealing with women. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:17:29 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:09:03 2011. Lots of reasons, sometimes when you meet someone in a club you forget certain things. They also could have been friends before, but didn't know much about each other before they did the deed. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:26:36 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 11:04:49 2011. the fact that marriage basically reduces or eliminates benefits like Medicaid, SNAP (Food Stamps), Section 8, and EITC. In the case of the latter, what's the point of a working couple getting married if it reduces what they'll get back on their taxes or increases their rent or food costs or eliminates their health insurance coverage?Few people think that way when they're hooking up, it usually stems from simply making bad decisions and/or undervaluing relationships, and to be honest I don't see what's wrong with the latter, relationships suck. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:29:44 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Easy on Mon Jun 6 01:05:15 2011. I didn't know what they were talking about either, the rudest person I remember dealing with was Asian. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:38:11 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jun 6 01:08:15 2011. Really? Even at the "upper end" franchise restaurants in the city (TGI Fridays, Applebee's) you don't really see white servers, you mostly see black workers and to a lesser extent hispanic workers, although I guess in the suburbs where there are more white people applying for those jobs it's different.As an example, for a small business that has employed say, several black employees that have come late often, stolen from the job, or provided terrible customer service, they will be less likely in the future to employ blacks. Yeah, although I haven't been in a smaller sit-down restaurant in a while, it seems like they hire more white and hispanic workers than the bigger companies do. As a matter of fact, I can't remember a time I went to a diner and the waiter was black. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jun 6 11:38:34 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jun 6 01:40:59 2011. Agreed totally growing up in a era where Welfare was a "cheap fix" for lots of people problems at that...Both my parents worked (my dad two jobs) they made enough for what we needed not what we wanted. When i used to ask my mother why people are buying soo much food with that funny looking paper she sadi.. "Its stuff that they can get and we cant get Son" "I hope you NEVER have to depend on anybody but yourself to do for you" THATS why i value every effing dollar i EARN because i worked for it.. My parents taught me that. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:42:20 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 08:30:10 2011. It's wrong, but you can't blame him for wanting some extra money. I wouldn't worry about it, at least you now know to be more careful when handling money, and like you said she was probably better off not knowing about it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 11:42:42 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:38:11 2011. Really? Even at the "upper end" franchise restaurants in the city (TGI Fridays, Applebee's) you don't really see white servers, you mostly see black workers and to a lesser extent hispanic workers???????????????????????????? That couldn't be further from the truth. although I guess in the suburbs where there are more white people applying for those jobs it's different. Well obviously. An "Applebees" in a Black neighborhood will have more Black workers than an Applebees in a white neighborhood. Most of the franchise restaurants I go to are usually in "white neighborhoods", so usually the servers are white. However, a few months ago I ate with some friends at the TGI Fridays in Central Islip on Carleton Ave, which is a Black/Hispanic neighborhood, and most of the servers were Black or Hispanic. Even the bartender was Black. But it makes sense. I would hope places like these would hire people "from the neighborhood" they are a part of, and apparently they do in most cases. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:45:49 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Train Dude on Mon Jun 6 08:16:46 2011. Exactly, I don't know why people complain about McDonald's workers like they really thought that they would get the same service there that they would get at a five star restaurant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 11:54:39 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:42:20 2011. It's wrong, but you can't blame him for wanting some extra money.??? It's called STEALING. We "all" want some "extra" money, but that is NOT the way to do it. And what really pissed me off was how he was "so" nice to her to (as she was such a doll herself), and then he stabbed her in the back. I wouldn't worry about it, at least you now know to be more careful when handling money I have worked with people's money in jobs, and whenever someone would give me "too much" money accidentally, I ALWAYS gave it back to them. and like you said she was probably better off not knowing about it. Yes, that's why I initially decided not to make an issue out of it, as she was SO sweet, and her personality would have been just crushed if she knew what this kid did to her. It would have been almost as if the kid shot her, I can't explain it, but that's definitely the way it was....that's what made me bite my tongue. But then again, she was then out $20. It was the lesser of two evils, in my FIRST thought. But I probably should have said something. Or at least after she left said something to the kid that I noticed what he did. I also would have said to him that I wouldn't have gone to the management, but he should watch what he was doing, as he was so young, and I really didn't want him losing his job. People see, even if you think they don't. By saying something however, I may have saved his job in the future, as people like this ALWAYS eventually get caught. I am SURE he's not working there anymore. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jun 6 11:56:41 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 11:42:42 2011. ????????????????????????????That couldn't be further from the truth. I've been to the Applebee's in Atlantic Terminal and the one at Flatbush & DeKalb, and most of the workers at both are black and hispanic, same with the TGI Fridays and Dave & Buster's I went to in Times Square. The Applebee's I went to in Bricktown Staten Island however was white, but that part of Staten Island resembles the suburbs more than it does the rest of the city. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 6 11:57:53 2011, in response to Re: Fox News - Is Government Aid Helping or Hurting Blacks?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 6 11:54:39 2011. I think you chickened out and didn't do the right thing.your pal, Fred |
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