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Posted by WillD on Wed May 4 21:20:24 2011 ...and now the pieces of its tail are probably on the way to China.Can we just let India buy/build JSFs for their MCRA fighter program and have at Pakistan now? 'Allies' my ass. But anyway, the black helicopter conspiracy nuts may have some cause for their paranoia. It certainly could explain why the USAF's CSAR-X program was such a nightmare for Sikorsky, Boeing, and LockMart. Maybe we didn't really push hard on a new rescue/SOC helo to replace the HH-60s because we had this stealth helicopter in some sort of prototype or production footing. Or, if we have a stealth helo for the dangerous work, then the larger payload of something like the HH-47 makes more sense, even though one of the stated goals of the CSAR-X program was to begin working to combine the rescue and special ops helicopters into one airframe. From ABC News Photos from elsewhere on the internet: From Army Times, which makes no mention of connection with Chinese. IMHO that image makes it look a bit like the AH-64's X shaped rotor with a disc covering the tail rotor hub. ![]() The Daily Mail has an interesting take on the subject. The experts they talked to indicate that the tail roter does not appear to be from an H-60 type helo. If the raid indeed launched from Jalalabad in Afghanistan, then a larger helicopter, perhaps in the H-92, or even H-53 families would be a likely candidate for the basic airframe of the stealthy helicopter. Then again, it is a helicopter and forward support using tankers and forward area replenishment points are things the USSOCOM is extremely good at. And finally: ![]() Some speculation from Wired and Defense Tech as to what the helo may have looked like. From the fully stealthed H-60 variant seen in the ABC news piece, to the Chinese speculation which appears to be a fairly standard MH-60M with a tail rotor that looks optimized for considerably quieter operation: ![]() |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 4 21:34:10 2011, in response to Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by WillD on Wed May 4 21:20:24 2011. Old news. Every wire service in the world carried this story. In virtually every newspaper it was reported in great detail. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed May 4 21:36:24 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 4 21:34:10 2011. Well jeez Dan, OTCHat isn't out to scoop anyone, we just post 'em and talk about 'em.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by WillD on Wed May 4 21:47:55 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 4 21:34:10 2011. Yes I am well aware. But I hadn't seen it posted here as yet. And it most certainly was not reported 'in great detail' in any newspaper, because virtually every official story on the matter runs into a stone wall from the DoD on the matter. I figured it'd do me some good to organize my thoughts regarding some of the internet speculation while summarizing some of the theories developed regarding the mysterious tail left behind in Abbottabad. Do you object to my doing this? Furthermore, do you have anything of substance to add to this discussion or are you just going to claim 'the newspapers did it'?IMHO this is a much bigger deal than the use of F-117s in Panama. There we had a project which may have started out in the public eye, but which quickly became black, and then did a rather poor job of maintaining absolute operational surprise. After all, Testors and others kept the F-19 Stealth Fighter rumor alive through the 1980s, even if they were quite wide of the actual aircraft's designator and aesthetics. But there was virtually no indication that the DoD was pursuing any sort of significant upgrade to their special ops helos until Sunday. We may have had the RAH-66, but it was canceled after what sounded like a series of almost impossible technical hurdles were reached. It would appear we've either found solutions to those hurdles, or developed some workaround such that we can fly helicopters into one of the best air defense networks you can buy from the French, Chinese, and US without detection. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 21:48:42 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by WillD on Wed May 4 21:47:55 2011. ABC claimed it was an "exclusive" earlier, so I'd say there's proff. :) |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 5 09:57:27 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by Fred G on Wed May 4 21:36:24 2011. Fred, sometimes I have to wash my hands after an OTChat session. It's like stuffing the trash bags in the can every Tuesday night. :-) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 5 10:37:28 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 4 21:34:10 2011. Incorrect, Dan Lawrence. Why are you practically always wrong???? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 5 16:19:29 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 5 10:37:28 2011. Check your postage meter |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 5 16:46:40 2011, in response to Re: Stealth Helicopter destroyed in OBL attack..., posted by WillD on Wed May 4 21:47:55 2011. "After all, Testors and others kept the F-19 Stealth Fighter rumor alive through the 1980s, even if they were quite wide of the actual aircraft's designator and aesthetics."http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/TESTORS%20F-19%20STEALTH%20PAGE.htm Looks like Testors got their design inspiration from the SR-71. |
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