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Posted by
WillD
on Wed May 4 21:20:24 2011
edf40wrjww2msgDetailOT:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d ...and now the pieces of its tail are probably on the way to China.
Can we just let India buy/build JSFs for their MCRA fighter program and have at Pakistan now? 'Allies' my ass.
But anyway, the black helicopter conspiracy nuts may have some cause for their paranoia. It certainly could explain why the USAF's CSAR-X program was such a nightmare for Sikorsky, Boeing, and LockMart. Maybe we didn't really push hard on a new rescue/SOC helo to replace the HH-60s because we had this stealth helicopter in some sort of prototype or production footing. Or, if we have a stealth helo for the dangerous work, then the larger payload of something like the HH-47 makes more sense, even though one of the stated goals of the CSAR-X program was to begin working to combine the rescue and special ops helicopters into one airframe.
From ABC News
Top Secret Stealth Helicopter Program Revealed in Osama Bin Laden RaidBy BRIAN ROSS (@brianross) , RHONDA SCHWARTZ, LEE FERRAN and AVNI PATEL
May 4, 2011
Before an elite team of U.S. Navy SEALs executed a daring raid that took down Osama bin Laden, the commandos were able to silently sneak up on their elusive target thanks to what aviation analysts said were top secret, never-before-seen stealth-modified helicopters.
In the course of the operation that cost the al Qaeda leader his life, one of the two Blackhawk helicopters that carried the SEALs into bin Laden's Pakistani compound grazed one of the compound's wall and was forced to make a hard landing. With the chopper inoperable, at the end of the mission the SEALs destroyed it with explosives.
But photos of what survived the explosion -- the tail section of the craft with curious modifications -- has sent military analysts buzzing about a stealth helicopter program that was only rumored to exist. From a modified tail boom to a noise reducing covering on the rear rotors and a special high-tech material similar to that used in stealth fighters, former Department of Defense official and vice president of the Lexington Institute Dan Goure said the bird is like nothing he's ever seen before.
"This is a first," he said. "You wouldn't know that it was coming right at you. And that's what's important, because these are coming in fast and low, and if they aren't sounding like they're coming right at you, you might not even react until it's too late... That was clearly part of the success."
In addition to the noise-reducing modifications, a former special operations aviator told The Army Times the general shape of what was left of the craft -- the harsh angles and flat surfaces more common to stealth jets -- was further evidence it was a modified variant of the Blackhawk.
A senior Pentagon official told ABC News the Defense Department would "absolutely not" comment on anything relating to the destroyed bird.
The U.S. has attempted to use stealth helicopters before. In the mid-90s, the Army developed several prototypes of the Comanche helicopter, a reconnaissance helicopter that was at the time a revolutionary step in stealth technology. But in 2004 the Department of Defense scrapped the program and promised to used technology developed for the Comanche on other crafts.
Since, the government has been working to silence the Army's Blackhawk helicopters but an official program for the stealth choppers was never publicized. The wreckage, Sweetman said, is the first the public has ever seen of an operational stealth-modified helicopter.
Goure said he believes the stealthy Blackhawks have been in use for years without the public's knowledge.
"We probably have been running hundreds of missions with these helicopters over the last half dozen years, and the fact is, they've all been successful -- or at least the helicopters have all come back," he said.
But now that one went down and photographs emerged of large sections being taken from the crash site under a tarp, former White House counterterrorism advisor and ABC News consultant Richard Clarke said U.S. officials may have reason to worry about where those parts end up.
"There are probably people in the Pentagon tonight who are very concerned that pieces of the helicopter may be, even now, on their way to China, because we know that China is trying to make stealth aircraft," he said. The Chinese military is known to have a close relationship with the Pakistani military.
Photos from elsewhere on the internet:
From Army Times, which makes no mention of connection with Chinese. IMHO that image makes it look a bit like the AH-64's X shaped rotor with a disc covering the tail rotor hub.
The Daily Mail has an interesting take on the subject. The experts they talked to indicate that the tail roter does not appear to be from an H-60 type helo. If the raid indeed launched from Jalalabad in Afghanistan, then a larger helicopter, perhaps in the H-92, or even H-53 families would be a likely candidate for the basic airframe of the stealthy helicopter. Then again, it is a helicopter and forward support using tankers and forward area replenishment points are things the USSOCOM is extremely good at.
And finally:
Some speculation from Wired and Defense Tech as to what the helo may have looked like. From the fully stealthed H-60 variant seen in the ABC news piece, to the Chinese speculation which appears to be a fairly standard MH-60M with a tail rotor that looks optimized for considerably quieter operation:
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