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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:19:58 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 09:00:29 2011. Fuck you. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 11:22:59 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:43:45 2011. Where were you? I saw lots of them in the streets of Astoria |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:29:44 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 09:21:24 2011. I would expect Atheists to have a lower rate of marriage/divorcing.I would expect them to have an equal rate of marriage but a lower rate of divorce. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:30:40 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 10:21:56 2011. And they're right. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 15 11:41:22 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 22:14:03 2011. I hope to get a chance to check the study because I'm interested to find out how they determine someone is liberal, and then when it's "teens" may as well throw that out the window. Are they self-proclaimed cuz it's cool, or did they have a test? What type of test? I find most people who claim to be democrats don't even agree with the professional democrats and are closer to libertarian imo. The other percent are facist.And then are they Liberal because they're in school and are all 'nice' until realizing how simple nature works voiding it? Not to mention it's easy to get an A in high school, and then forget it all by the time you hit 50. There's too much at play to go by teens I think for such a study. Pointless at that too. Considering the US's test scores are abysmal internationally! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 11:42:49 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 01:41:02 2011. Of course it is. If the liberals were so smart, then the USA would be more powerful than ever instead of ready to fall apart. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 11:58:15 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 10:21:56 2011. It doesn't prove non-existence but adds that necessary trivialization to balance the believers.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 12:04:52 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 15 11:41:22 2011. Time to refill your LIBrium scrip. LOL |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 12:09:35 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives, says a liberal university, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 11:42:49 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 12:10:49 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 11:58:15 2011. It doesn't prove non-existence, but nothing proves existence either. Except some old dusty tomes that are mostly wrong. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Mar 15 12:36:29 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives, says a liberal university, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 11:42:49 2011. Which so-called "liberal" university/college are you referring to? |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 12:45:07 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 01:34:04 2011. So now research and facts are opinion? The Add Health data was not collected by Kanazawa you can analyze the data yourself... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 12:46:22 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:00:29 2011. If you believe in God (or gods, spirits, fairies or whatever) it may not be organized but it's still a religion. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 12:47:34 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 12:04:52 2011. Haha, and take them LIBERALLY.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:48:26 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:05:24 2011. PWN3D |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:48:45 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:57:45 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:49:10 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 00:59:46 2011. Wrong. It is religion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:49:18 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 01:37:22 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:49:27 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:00:29 2011. Yes it is. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:49:40 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:06:12 2011. Exactly. He's wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:49:57 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:20:13 2011. Nope. You are wrong, plain and simple. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:50:25 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:27:16 2011. The rest of us speak English. PWN3D |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:50:41 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:44:34 2011. No, YOU don't get it. You're wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 12:50:52 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:17:42 2011. IAWTP |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 12:51:44 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 15 06:06:22 2011. Even within Jews since they have higher IQ's on average (mean ~113) it is possible that the more religious ones are more concentrated on the left side of their bell curve.Remember "Jewish" is an ethnicity AND a religion. Not all ethnic Jews embrace the religious tenets of Judaism (in fact I suspect most don't). |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:03:48 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 09:21:24 2011. What does "ethnic (Ashkenazi)" mean to you?It means people who are of Ashkenazi (as distinguished from Sephardic and other branches of Jews) Jewish descent, whether or not they embrace the culture or the religion. I don't think that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are atheists. I wouldn't be surprised if they were. I know plenty of Jews are non-religious, and owing to their high IQ's this is not surprising. nor do I think most atheists are Jewish Since Jews make up a tiny portion of both the U.S. and the world population they are obviously not the majority of atheists. >>>>Obviously most atheists don't have these problems. Sure they do. You can see it on this board too. That's not what the evidence says. I don't think a collection of railfans is exactly representative of either the general or the atheist population. The problem is, only intellectual elites come out and say they are atheist b/c it's cool in your community. That will skew the results in your favor. Most of my middle-class or working-class friends who "don't believe in that shit" don't actually self-identify as atheists. If they don't believe, that would make them atheists. The data comes from a survey of teens from across the U.S. that included an IQ test along with question to assess social traits such as religiosity. It is far more accurate that attempting to count "proud atheists" one comes across. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:05:15 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 10:21:56 2011. I think scientists, especially the good ones, would tell you that they know far from everything. (Otherwise what would be the point of being a scientist?) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:10:01 2011, in response to Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011. religion is stupid. Who the hell is some priest to tell me how i should individually worship god or how i should connect with him? IMO as long as youre a good person you should go to heaven as thats all i think god expects from us |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 13:11:17 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 12:10:49 2011. That exist/don't exist is a standoff circular debate that won't be resolved but merely put to rest as one side cancels the other.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 13:12:46 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:10:01 2011. religion is stupid... IMO as long as youre a good person you should go to heaven as thats all i think god expects from us religion |riˈlijən| noun the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods : ideas about the relationship between science and religion. • details of belief as taught or discussed : when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics. • a particular system of faith and worship : the world's great religions. • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance : consumerism is the new religion. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 15 13:18:02 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 12:51:44 2011. Even within Jews since they have higher IQ's on average (mean ~113) it is possible that the more religious ones are more concentrated on the left side of their bell curve.No, because the study was measuring religiosity, not simply affiliation or identity with a religion. Those identified as "Jewish" in the tables are a subset of the religious, not the other way around. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:24:01 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 13:12:46 2011. im talkin about the "mainstream" religions, like islam, christianity, judaism, etc |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:27:37 2011, in response to Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011. The London School of Economics? LOL.Add Health data looked at the IQ of adolescents, and IQ measurements are not completely unreliable in children. Also, I would imagine that political orientations would also have yet to mature at that age, and may well continue to shift somewhat throughout life. This renders the study worthless. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:29:16 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:10:01 2011. How is "good" defined? Religion! Even if you are not a religious person, a modern person's general morality comes directly from the Judeo-Christian ethic. What happens when these beliefs become extinct? Who defines good and evil? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:29:31 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:24:01 2011. anyways i cant lie, i used to be religious because the prospect of eternal nothingness after my death scares the crap out of me, but theres lots of other different reasons why i still believe in god, but am not christian or muslim, etc |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 13:30:54 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:24:01 2011. Well that's different than what you said, as I think you now understand. I think what you meant to say was "organized religion" is... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:32:40 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:29:16 2011. good to me is simply not harming others and doing what makes you happy as long as it doesnt harm others in any way |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:33:59 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Mar 15 13:30:54 2011. yes youre right, should have made that clearer |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:34:46 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 15 11:41:22 2011. Considering the US's test scores are abysmal internationally!U.S. scores are not abysmal internationally. It's just that the U.S. has a lot of black and brown people lowering the scores. I hope to get a chance to check the study because I'm interested to find out how they determine someone is liberal, and then when it's "teens" may as well throw that out the window. This came from the Add Health study, a national survey of middle- and high-schoolers. They were given self-report surveys that asked a battery of questions and were also given verbal IQ tests. The links to the paper and the Add Health study are my initial post. From Kanazawa's paper: It is difficult to provide a precise definition For liberal political Granted, as I mentioned they are some weaknesses in looking at teens, both in the reliability of IQ at that age and the maturity of political attitudes. But because these are both affected by genetics, the results are significant nonetheless. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:36:03 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:32:40 2011. But where did that belief come from? Remember, before Christianity it was OK to harm others and you had no right to happiness.Atheists are woefully ignorant of history. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:38:38 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 23:59:14 2011. great post, 9/11 is the day i gave up in organized religion |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:39:29 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 15 13:18:02 2011. Kanazawa didn't break down the data by race/ethnicity exactly. I'm sure one could reanalyze the data and look at the religiosity of (ethnic) Jews only and see what the relationship looks like. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:40:38 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:36:03 2011. common sense, people dont need religion to tell them that unnecessarily harming others is a bad thing, except for the religious apparently of course |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:43:02 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:27:37 2011. Not worthless, if you read my next sentence. In fact, if you studied adults I wouldn't be surprised if the results are even more pronounced. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:43:14 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 13:40:38 2011. But where did the common sense come from? Who said it was bad to kill? Bad to steal? Bad to cheat on your wife? Everybody is a Judeo-Christian at heart. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 13:47:13 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:36:03 2011. Remember, before Christianity it was OK to harm others and you had no right to happiness.I'm glad Christianity put an end to that and how the next 2000 years after Christ's death were a celebration of happiness and peace throughout the Christian world. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:47:14 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:29:16 2011. Good is not defined by religion (reading any of the holy books of the Abrahamic religious would be a poor guide to that). Many of the ideas on how to treat your fellow man developed relatively recently (not keeping them as slaves, for example). In fact, if anything that is the central crux of Kanazawa's paper, and why higher IQ individuals are on average more moral by any objective definition. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Mar 15 13:48:10 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:36:03 2011. Remember, before Christianity it was OK to harm others and you had no right to happiness.God gave the 10 commandments to that Christian, Moses? Buddhism says it's OK to harm others? |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:49:03 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:43:14 2011. You know, non-Western peoples developed some of these very same ideas and they did it all without the stories of Moses.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 15 13:50:12 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 13:49:03 2011. No, not really. |
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