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Posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011 Now that I have your attention, this is on average of course.But after analyzing the Add Health data, a massive study of teens in America, Satoshi Kanazawa, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, has found that more liberal political views are positively correlated with IQ. By the way, IQ is also negatively correlated with religiosity, and atheists do indeed have higher average IQ's than do the religious. So yes, to sum up, atheists are smarter than religious people (big shock #2). Kanazawa theorizes that liberal political attitudes -- basically actually caring about people who aren't related to you -- is evolutionary recent, and as such would be correlated with the increase in IQ that has occurred during the course of human evolution. Much the same is true of not naively ascribing natural events to magical beings. As far as different races are concerned, I would expect that this wouldn't hold for blacks, given their historical allegiance to the Democratic Party. I doubt this would be shocking to too many people, and will be unbelievable (unacceptable) for others, but these are the facts. I will note two caveats in the data: the Add Health data looked at the IQ of adolescents, and IQ measurements are not completely unreliable in children. Also, I would imagine that political orientations would also have yet to mature at that age, and may well continue to shift somewhat throughout life. However, as IQ, religiosity and political orientation are all highly heritable, the correlation is significant. Kanazawa's paper on the matter, "Why Liberals and Atheists Are More Intelligent". |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 14 21:10:50 2011, in response to Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011. The answers are probably in the link, but it would still be prudent to point out(using language libs don't know) that it said "teens in America". |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:11:44 2011, in response to Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011. By the way, IQ is also negatively correlated with religiosity, and atheists do indeed have higher average IQ's than do the religious. So yes, to sum up, atheists are smarter than religious people (big shock #2).Atheists tend to be nasty, lonely, confrontational people. Incapable of long term relationships. I ask you to go to Rego Park/Forest Hills/Kew Gardens Hills to test the IQ's of the religious Jewish people. They have a prayer bar on their front door, maintain a kosher diet, and during sabbath, they don't do any household chores or even take the apartment building elevator. No driving. No working. They are very religious, but not fanatically so, and I don't get the feeling they have low IQ's. In fact, I think they are better people because of their lifestyle. I feel the same about the many families I know from my old working class neighborhood in Ridgewood, Queens. The stable families are the ones who go to church on the weekend, but they are not fanatically religious. In fact, many of the atheists I know are childish, and did not do as well in school or life. They are missing something in their lives. One friend, whose parents go to Mass, will do stupid shit like order a cheeseburger on Friday during Lent and call his parents and tell them about it. Even if one is an atheist or agnostic, one should go to church or synagogue each weekend. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 22:14:03 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 14 21:10:50 2011. I did mention that caveat, and the weaknesses of such and the useful of the data in spite of that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 14 22:17:13 2011, in response to Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 20:29:25 2011. QED. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:23:42 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:11:44 2011. Even if one is an atheist or agnostic, one should go to church or synagogue each weekend.BTW, I say this because there is strength in numbers. I don't want to live in a society where the Christians who go to church on Sunday are mocked and ridiculed-closeted into being afraid to say they do so, while those on the List Of Liberals become the mainstream in society. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 22:31:15 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:23:42 2011. Ehhh...it's becoming a secular country.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 22:32:32 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:23:42 2011. So instead you want the atheists to go to church on Sunday to mock the faithful while in church?Why do you want churches to be filled with people who only mock the church? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:37:36 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 22:32:32 2011. I explained it. There is strength in numbers. The alternative is that the radical liberals like JayZeeBMT and those who targeted E-Harmony, become the mainstream, and that's bad news. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 23:13:06 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 22:31:15 2011. maybe. But it's great to be in NY on Ash Wednesday and see so many people with ashes or to see the line out the door at Rosa's Pizza on the first Friday of Lent because so many are giving up meat on Friday during Lent. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 23:18:09 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 23:13:06 2011. They can have anchovy pizza.Actually they could have a white clam pie which would hardly be a sacrifice. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 23:29:18 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 14 23:18:09 2011. But they are making the sacrifice, and it's great to so many still doing so. Great to see so many Jews observing the sabbath too. I see this in my old neighborhood. |
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Posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 23:44:48 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:11:44 2011. Atheists tend to be nasty, lonely, confrontational people. Incapable of long term relationships.Hmmm how many atheists do you know? You do know that atheists are in fact much less prone to all the social ills you mentioned as well as all the typical social ills: Atheist from Zachary Kroger on Vimeo. As well, well over 90% of eminent scientists (with IQ's >140 or well higher) are atheists. I ask you to go to Rego Park/Forest Hills/Kew Gardens Hills to test the IQ's of the religious Jewish people. They have a prayer bar on their front door, maintain a kosher diet, and during sabbath, they don't do any household chores or even take the apartment building elevator. No driving. No working. They are very religious, but not fanatically so, and I don't get the feeling they have low IQ's. In fact, I think they are better people because of their lifestyle. Many if not most ethnic Jews are in fact atheists. I wouldn't be surprised if the more religious ones are mostly the ones on the lower half of the Jewish IQ curve, and with its incredibly high mean of ~113, these Jews would still be much smarter than the bulk of the population. Even if one is an atheist or agnostic, one should go to church or synagogue each weekend. Why if you don't believe? But many atheists in fact do that. Some of them are on the pulpit. The fact that atheists are, as a group, more adjusted to societal life would be consistent with them having higher IQ's. I would not be surprised if that fact alone explained the better outcomes of atheists. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 23:59:14 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:37:36 2011. Except that the atheist churchgoers won't fight for the church, so it won't be strength in numbers.The world would be better off if atheists are the mainstream. Especially in countries with mosques instead of churches. 
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:02:08 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 23:44:48 2011. how can they be "ethnic" Jews if I specifically stated that they observer sabbath and maintain a kosher diet? They are religious. They won't even let me press the elevator buttons.I know a lot of atheists. They have high IQ's in most cases, but are dysfunctional in so many ways. Most are lonely and middle-aged. They are not only incapable of commitment to God, but often incapable of commitment to others, which is why they are alone. They are selfish, nasty, condescending, and will die alone in this world. Their religious counterparts may not have the "social skills" you point out, but even that is debatable. To me, the people who observe a religion are very functional in a social setting. The Catholics I know are very involved in social functions. The religious Jews who gather at Grille Point on Jewel Ave at sundown on Saturday are far more socially skilled than the atheist high IQ types who loiter Starbucks. Nasty atheist lonely types they are. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:07:41 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:02:08 2011. are far more socially skilled than the atheist high IQ types who loiter Starbucks. Nasty atheist lonely types they are.So why don't you tell them that Jesus came on this Earth to wash away their sins and that believing in Him would make them happy, social and not nasty? Is it because you are also not a Christian? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Mar 15 00:11:24 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 23:59:14 2011. I thought you said you hate it when people say they worship and believe in God but they don't like organized religon? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:14:45 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:07:41 2011. You, SMAZ, know I'm right about the social skills of many religious people compared to the lonely atheist high IQ types. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:18:37 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 14 23:59:14 2011. When atheist churchgoers see the alternatives, they will fight. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 00:23:40 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:02:08 2011. how can they be "ethnic" Jews if I specifically stated that they observer sabbath and maintain a kosher diet?I'm not doubting that the Jews you mentioned are religious. I'm saying that ethnic (Ashkenazi) Jews as a whole contains many atheists, if not a majority. I know a lot of atheists. They have high IQ's in most cases, but are dysfunctional in so many ways. Most are lonely and middle-aged. They are not only incapable of commitment to God, but often incapable of commitment to others, which is why they are alone. They are selfish, nasty, condescending, and will die alone in this world. Ah. Then these are just the atheists you know. Obviously most atheists don't have these problems. Their religious counterparts may not have the "social skills" you point out, but even that is debatable. To me, the people who observe a religion are very functional in a social setting. I didn't say social skills...I said social ills like not being married/divorcing, committing crimes (or least getting caught! ;) and such, as mentioned in the video. All these things occur less often among atheists. But, IQ is correlated with introversion and neuroticism. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:44:11 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:07:41 2011. am I right about the lonely atheist smarty pants Starbucks crowd. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:47:30 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Mar 15 00:11:24 2011. Yes, I did. It's hypocritical. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:49:20 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:18:37 2011. LOL. Doubtful. Maybe they'll like the social aspects of religion but not the mythical beliefs. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:51:18 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:14:45 2011. You, SMAZ, know I'm right about the social skills of many religious people compared to the lonely atheist high IQ types.Which one are you? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:53:28 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:44:11 2011. A lot of those people are actually schizoid religious-types.I'm not saying that in a bad way but many of them are not functional when it comes to socializing and quite a few of them are on disability. Religion becomes a sort of self-medication for them. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 00:53:31 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:47:30 2011. What's hypocritical about it?I was born & raised Catholic, but don't need the Church's dumb rules & regulations. My concept of God is different. No pissed off old man punishing this one & that one. No heaven, no hell. But some kind of afterlife. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:56:48 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 15 00:53:28 2011. Religion becomes a sort of self-medication for them.Marxist! /Olog |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:57:45 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 00:53:31 2011. I was born & raised Catholic, but don't need the Church's dumb rules & regulations.That's still a religion. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 00:59:46 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:57:45 2011. No it's not.No religion at all. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 01:28:03 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 00:44:11 2011. People are people, it's just some have an extra hour of time on Sundays.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 01:34:04 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:23:42 2011. Ignore the BS. It's a liberal university publishing one-sided opinion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 01:37:22 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 00:59:46 2011. Wrong. You say you believe in God. That is a religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 01:41:02 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 01:34:04 2011. It's not opinion. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 01:52:04 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 15 01:34:04 2011. You help intellectually underwrite it.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:00:29 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 01:37:22 2011. No it's not.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:05:24 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:00:29 2011. religion |riˈlijən|noun the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods : ideas about the relationship between science and religion. • details of belief as taught or discussed : when the school first opened they taught only religion, Italian, and mathematics. • a particular system of faith and worship : the world's great religions. • a pursuit or interest to which someone ascribes supreme importance : consumerism is the new religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:06:12 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:05:24 2011. So yes, you do follow a religion, under EVERY ONE of the definitions listed. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:20:13 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:05:24 2011. That last one could also be ascribed to you athiest guys....lol.And you know what I meant by religion. That definition means nothing to me. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:27:16 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:20:13 2011. That last one could also be ascribed to you athiest [sic] guys....lol.Perhaps some. Most atheists don't care about religion, hence the atheism. And you know what I meant by religion. Yes I do, but I don't work with made up meanings of things. Stuff that's made up is what religion is for. That definition means nothing to me. The rest of us speak English. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:44:34 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 02:27:16 2011. You just don't get it.Name the religion I am a part of. If atheists don't care about religion, why do they spend so much time attacking it? Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:43:45 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 23:13:06 2011. Funny, now that you mention it, I noticed not ONE SINGLE PERSON with ashes an Ash Wednesday. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:55:15 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:44:34 2011. >>>>If atheists don't care about religion, why do they spend so much time attacking it?<<<Atheists believe there is no God/Allah/Higher Power/Supreme Being. Religion promotes belief in a God/Allah/Higher Power/Supreme Being. Get it? Case closed. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:57:24 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 00:49:20 2011. iawtp |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:59:15 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Fred G on Tue Mar 15 01:52:04 2011. Intellectual and olag are mutually exclusive. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 15 06:06:22 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by LuchAAA on Mon Mar 14 22:11:44 2011. I ask you to go to Rego Park/Forest Hills/Kew Gardens Hills to test the IQ's of the religious Jewish people.The study is an average, and as a whole religious Jews are a very small minority of religious people. Judaism is also unlike other popular religions in that practicing it involves learning and interpretation rather than blind acceptance. Also, while the study only plots intelligence versus religiosity and doesn't break down by religion, Table 4 suggest that religious Jews are much more liberal than other religious people. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 09:00:29 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Mar 15 06:06:22 2011. Depends on what you call religious.I'll bet that the 25% of Jews who don't vote Democrat are also the ones who eat Kosher, and adhere to strict observance of the sabbath. The ones who vote Democratic, are the RonInBayside, RIPTA, Spider-Pig types. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Mar 15 09:21:24 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 00:23:40 2011. I'm saying that ethnic (Ashkenazi) Jews as a whole contains many atheists, if not a majority.What? What does "ethnic (Ashkenazi)" mean to you? I don't think that the majority of Ashkenazi Jews are atheists, nor do I think most atheists are Jewish. Either way, if they are atheists, they should still go to temple. Ah. Then these are just the atheists you know. Obviously most atheists don't have these problems. Sure they do. You can see it on this board too. I didn't say social skills...I said social ills like not being married/divorcing, committing crimes (or least getting caught! ;) and such, as mentioned in the video. All these things occur less often among atheists. I would expect Atheists to have a lower rate of marriage/divorcing. The problem is, only intellectual elites come out and say they are atheist b/c it's cool in your community. That will skew the results in your favor. Most of my middle-class or working-class friends who "don't believe in that shit" don't actually self-identify as atheists. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Mar 15 10:21:56 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by JayMan on Mon Mar 14 23:44:48 2011. As well, well over 90% of eminent scientists (with IQ's >140 or well higher) are atheists.Because they think they know everything there is to know, are superior to everyone else, and are positive in their own minds that there is no God. But it does not prove anything beyond that. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:17:18 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by SUBWAYSURF on Tue Mar 15 04:55:15 2011. Good post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 15 11:17:42 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by jimmymc25 on Tue Mar 15 02:44:34 2011. You are a Catholic who doesn't follow the Church. |
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