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My take on the TSA machines

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010

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If offered the choice, I will always refuse to go into one of those machines. While I don't like the idea of a pat town, it's much preferable to the machine.

If I want to go to an NFL game, I already have to subject myself to a pat down at many places. I'd rather loose a little bit of dignity to be safe. That being said, the machines are over the top, will NOT improve security, and are becoming a PR disaster. It's also kind of hilarious that this whole "new" process has to occur 9 years after 9/11.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 16 23:05:27 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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well I think it's more in response to the underwear bomber.

I may attend the Bucs vs. Falcons game in December.



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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 16 23:29:08 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 16 23:05:27 2010.

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The remarkable thing is that after the underwear fail, the new place is up the terrorist's ass. Those backscatter machines will NOT detect anything inside the body ... dumbasses. :(

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 16 23:31:11 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 16 23:29:08 2010.

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Until the cell phone in the terrorist's stomach lights up his belly, like in The Dark Knight. :(

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 16 23:36:17 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 16 23:31:11 2010.

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It won't see that either until it goes off. I love how these sausage-crafters can't be BOTHERED to talk to engineers. :(

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 16 23:42:17 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 16 23:36:17 2010.

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I'm not even going to go into what the Lord High Engineer at ye olde Tapeless Facility said about this, TODAY...I was discussing the earlier SubChat TSA thread with him...If I repeat what he said, the FBI will be out looking for him...Let's just say there are deep, disgusting holes in the TSA's plot...LOL!

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Easy on Tue Nov 16 23:42:19 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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My take: I don't care and will go through them is asked.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Easy on Tue Nov 16 23:42:28 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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My take: I don't care and will go through them if asked.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 16 23:45:53 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 16 23:42:17 2010.

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No shit. :)

Engineers can easily calculate how deep 20 MICROWATTS of Xray will go. If they actually make it to the T shirt to bounce, I'd be amazed. meanwhile, everybody's going apeshit that the frequency of the emitter is up there towards Xrays, but it's nothing more than a shitty little 1/4 cellphone power microwave toy. Add a pinch of high school science fair security theater, and you've got a road show. :-\

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 16 23:48:22 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by Easy on Tue Nov 16 23:42:28 2010.

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IAWTP.

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Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 17 00:35:51 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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I'm just gonna point at the site ... go check this ...

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/11/these-events-took-place-roughly-between.html

Above is what happens if you don't comply ...

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:45:01 2010, in response to Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 17 00:35:51 2010.

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I guess after this trip I am taking on Tuesday, I won't be flying again.

There is no way in hell that I'll go through the back-scatter machines and I don't really like the idea of being groped by TSA agents.

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 17 01:50:40 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:45:01 2010.

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The backscatter stuff genuinely isn't risky on a technical basis ... now on a "you don't wanna see my junk" basis, that may be different. But there's no radiation risk at the extremely low power that those things emit ...

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:53:56 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 17 01:50:40 2010.

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Meh. I was okay with taking off my shoes, I was okay with taking my laptop out of my bag, I was okay with emptying my pockets of everything metallic. At some point, a line needs to be drawn. These new machines are the line for me. I used to enjoy flying, now I find it a major pain in the ass and the idea of being groped every time I take a flight (because I will not go through these machines) just kills the idea of flying for me. If I can't take a car, boat, bus, or train to get where I am going, I guess I won't be going anywhere.

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 17 02:18:35 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:45:01 2010.

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agreed

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Nov 17 02:20:30 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:53:56 2010.

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Pretty much my own attitude there ... but the hysteria over the so-called radiation is incorrect ... I have no problem with people literally taking their "liberties" seriously. That's what we're SUPPOSED to do. Damned shame no one stood up for them when they were taken away the FIRST time. :(

But yeah, if I need to go somewhere outside the US, Montreal is a good place to get there for me. After all, trains, buses and cars have a difficult time in the Marianas trench. :)

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 17 02:22:11 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:53:56 2010.

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agreed

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:40:55 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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Eh, I went through one at O'hare a few weeks back. I just got in the shortest line and was slow to realize the line was so short because I'd gotten in the full body scanner lane. Once I'd gotten my shoes off I was kinda committed and didn't feel like getting the TSA patdown if I'd fled the line.

I really don't see what the big deal is. If someone is that desperate to see naked bodies, especially with the internet, then I'm more depressed by that person than I am enraged that they'd use mine or a significant other's images for their enjoyment.

IMHO the biggest problem with the full body scanners is how slow they are. They take at least five times longer than the old metal detectors to complete a scan. They're going to need dozens of the machines to replace current screening checkpoints with 6 to 10 metal detectors.

Just about the only other issue I had with it was the woman passing through the machine in front of me. I do not know what country she was traveling to, but she was rather large and did not consider bathing much of a priority. I swear I saw the TSA employee guiding people through the scanner turn his head slightly in disgust when she raised her hands above her head.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 17 02:42:16 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:40:55 2010.

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so you did not mind be ''radiated''

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:56:19 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Nov 17 02:42:16 2010.

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As Selkirk said, it's a few microwatts. I get more exposure from my cellphone. When I was standing in the thing I thought I felt a tingling sensation, but I'm pretty sure that was psychosomatic, probably caused by everyone walking through the terminal gawking at the new scanner and the poor bastard standing in it.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:14:57 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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Years from now, you will look back at this post and wonder what the big deal was all about.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:16:36 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Nov 16 23:48:22 2010.

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IAAWTP.

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:17:37 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Wed Nov 17 01:45:01 2010.

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I guess after this trip I am taking on Tuesday, I won't be flying again.

Your solemn pledge will last until exactly the next time you need to fly again.



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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Dave on Wed Nov 17 06:21:38 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:16:36 2010.

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Make that three of us in agreement. If you don't wanna do it, don't fly. If/when enough people stop flying because of this, the airlines will pressure their congressmen/women to put a stop to it.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Wed Nov 17 06:23:01 2010, in response to My take on the TSA machines, posted by PHXTUSbusfan on Tue Nov 16 23:00:23 2010.

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It's all about the "Benjamins" and whose pocket is lined with them, nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Dave on Wed Nov 17 06:25:04 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:40:55 2010.

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Why do your shoes need to come off if you go through the scanner? Wouldn't anything "bad" be seen on the scanner?

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 17 07:32:54 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:40:55 2010.

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Good post, I totally agree with you.



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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 17 07:34:37 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by WillD on Wed Nov 17 02:56:19 2010.

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When I was standing in the thing I thought I felt a tingling sensation, but I'm pretty sure that was psychosomatic, probably caused by everyone walking through the terminal gawking at the new scanner and the poor bastard standing in it.

Haha, no it was probably everyone in silence as they see your naked body, you know, how all the workers are getting cheap thrills, or so the claim....

< /sarcasm >

In seriousness, the hysteria over this is crazy.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 17 07:39:59 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:14:57 2010.

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Yes. Walk through the stupid thing, no one cares what you look like. Believe me.
As for the pat down, it's done all the time when going into a sporting event or a concert too.....who cares.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 17 10:43:05 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by Dave on Wed Nov 17 06:25:04 2010.

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It wouldn't be as theatrical.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 17 10:57:48 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:14:57 2010.

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If everyone chose the patdown, the TSA would be swamped and would abandon this crap.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Nov 17 11:19:56 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:14:57 2010.

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The person viewing the image is not even the same person standing there, they don't even know who they are looking at unless there's a problem.

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by Dave on Wed Nov 17 12:20:06 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 17 10:43:05 2010.

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True 'dat.

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Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 17 23:34:51 2010, in response to Re: Another take on the TSA machines - bring lots of cash, posted by SMAZ on Wed Nov 17 03:17:37 2010.

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The Taiwanese animators' take on the TSA (with English subtitles):



LOL!

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Re: My take on the TSA machines

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Nov 18 18:40:30 2010, in response to Re: My take on the TSA machines, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 17 10:57:48 2010.

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If everyone chose the patdown, the TSA would be swamped and would abandon this crap.


If everyone chose the patdown, TSA wouldn't blink. They get paid either way. It's not the TSA workers who are in a rush to get on the plane.
It would be the passengers who would never opt for that choice again after missing their flight.


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