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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:44:42 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:23:32 2010. If there was no SS how many people would be living in poverty now? How many people would actually save enough for retirement? Sometimes we need the gov't to look out for us. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 10:45:41 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:10:21 2010. This is for real, and if you adjust over time you'll never notice.That is the same LIE McDonald's used when we were told that there would be no change in the taste of french fries following the transfat ban in NYC. I now absolutely detest the new taste. I can detect even slight changes in the formula of a product. I've tried diets and they never work for me because whenever I go on one I so detest the taste of everything that I am eating that I can never stay on it. Even after two years of eating nothing but low fat, low salt food my taste buds did not adjust to the taste. I don't know if I lost the weight because of the healthier food or simply because I so detested the taste that I hardly ate. Unfortunately I went back to my old habits and gained it back :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:46:42 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:37:22 2010. If you want to be a fat swine or a smokerI am the same weight I was in college, I don't smoke, and I am adult enough to CHOOSE what I want to eat or not eat. It's a free country...or at least it used to be. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:48:42 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:37:50 2010. Then don't eat "Campbells" soup. It's horrid anyway, before even considering salt. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:49:27 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:43:25 2010. What does transporting fruit have to do with excess salt added in processed foods? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Apr 20 10:50:21 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:42:46 2010. Stop it with the hysteria. You're not adding anything to the debate with your incessant, vapid postings about "What Obama Will Do Next." Thusfar conservatives have a pisspoor track record predicting what issues Obama will tackle, so it's safe to say your shaker of table salt won't be removed.The article makes it clear this is more of an evolutionary move on the part of the regulators. They've tried a self-regulated program on the part of the manufacturers for years without success. A little bit of government regulation acting on those products which contain the greatest percentage of unnecessary sodium could do a lot of good in bringing healthcare costs down. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:50:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:43:10 2010. But that's just it, that WILL be the next step. They already want to ban salt in KITCHENS in restaurants, the salt shaker on the table is absolutely the next step, it's a guarantee.And there are choices for you if you don't want to buy salty chips or salty soup. Don't take away my choice of keeping the salt in the process however. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:51:18 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:49:27 2010. We were discussing fruits tasting terrible because they are picked unripe before being put in the trucks. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:52:06 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:44:42 2010. Who is advocating abandoning SS completely? It isn't black or white, there are shades of gray. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:55:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 10:45:41 2010. That is the same LIE McDonald's used when we were told that there would be no change in the taste of french fries following the transfat ban in NYC. I now absolutely detest the new taste. I can detect even slight changes in the formula of a product.That is absolutely correct. Youare NOT crazy, as I know EXACTLY what you mean, I can also taste the difference. So much so that I will no longer even buy fries in NYC anymore at fast food restaurants. Most low fat food tastes terrible. It's not even close to good in some cases. We already have the choice to buy low fat or not. They have no right to take away that choice. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:59:16 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by WillD on Tue Apr 20 10:50:21 2010. Where did I say what "Obama will do next". Not once here. The legislators are another story however.They've tried a self-regulated program on the part of the manufacturers for years without success. Yes, because their sales go down because less people buy their product because it doesn't taste as good. A little bit of government regulation acting on those products which contain the greatest percentage of unnecessary sodium could do a lot of good in bringing healthcare costs down. Yes of course, now that they took over our healthcare system, and it's taxpayer funded, the next step is to control what we eat and do. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:01:41 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:53:56 2010. A lot of what we consider tasty is learned by repetition. I've been on a sodium restricted diet and have become acclimated to it. Now, I find something that is even lightly salted to be bad tasting. One will not find the lack of salt objectionable, after a couple of months. It's a question of recalibrating one's taste bud expectations. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:02:13 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:06:05 2010. In the 2009 Mayoral election, his name was at the top of Row "B", Republican, as it has been for every ballot Bloomberg has appeared on. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:03:56 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:02:13 2010. Yes we know, as it was in the other elections. He's not a republican though, it's already been discussed, that he is whatever party gets him elected. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:05:22 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:03:56 2010. ...a "real" Republican would never get elected in NYC unless the Democrat candidate was completely corrupt. Giuliani isn't even a "real" republican, although surely is more so than Bloomberg. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 11:08:01 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:55:46 2010. I also detest the taste of most sugar substitutes. Splenda is the only one that I actually like, but for some reason it does not work in soda. I tried the sodas that claim they use Splenda for sweetening and tossed them all in the garbage after one sip. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:08:45 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 11:08:01 2010. Yeah, most diet sodas are horrible. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:09:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:04:49 2010. I didn't say the government should force you to stop smoking or drinking, only that it should encourage moderation or abstinence in those things, before moving on to regulation of ordinary foodstuffs.What the HELL is it your damn business if I chose to smoke? (I don't). What the HELL is it your business if I decide to drink a few beers. Well, what the HELL is it anyone's "damn business" who I choose to love or marry? An awful lot of SubChatters, including you, feel they have the right to make that determination for me. But suggest for one second that government should make decisions about what we eat, and suddenly, you're up in arms. This is the essence of the argument to me: Government intervention into our daily lives seems to be OK if applied in one area, but not in others which might affect you directly. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:10:15 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:51:18 2010. I offered the solution,which is how things were once done. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:19:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:59:16 2010. The taste of salt is relative! Why is everyone forgetting this?If you stop adding salt to your food, in 3 weeks time food with added salt will taste excessively salty. You are ACCUSTOMED to the excess salt. Modify that and your taste for salt will be altered. If the amount of salt in a frozen pizza is reduced by 5% you probably won't notice. If they reduce the added salt by 5% every 3 months, in 30 months you'll be taking in half the salt and never have noticed a damn thing. It will still seem salty enough to you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:21:34 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:09:24 2010. I didn't say the government should force you to stop smoking or drinking, only that it should encourage moderation or abstinence in those things, before moving on to regulation of ordinary foodstuffs.That's not what you said though. Encouraging is one thing...banning is another. The salt ban isn't "encouraging" it's outright banning. An awful lot of SubChatters, including you, feel they have the right to make that determination for me. It's not. And I never said such. In fact, I have often said, I don't care who someone chooses to live with, it's not something that's a priority to me. I have said you take your activism to the extreme, that doesn't mean I am against you living with or doing with who you want. But suggest for one second that government should make decisions about what we eat, and suddenly, you're up in arms. This is the essence of the argument to me: Government intervention into our daily lives seems to be OK if applied in one area, but not in others which might affect you directly. But listen to what you just said and look in the mirror. You who get up in arms about all these "gay issues", are the same one that says it's alright for the government to intrude in our lives with what we drink, smoke, or eat. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:22:18 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:10:15 2010. Yes, and lose all the jobs around the country at the places that don't fit your mold. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:22:33 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:01:41 2010. Yep. It takes 3 weeks. I've done it too, although I don't completely restrict my salt.These guys don't get it....they'll never see any difference if they do it as they say they will. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:23:57 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:19:24 2010. If you stop adding salt to your food, in 3 weeks time food with added salt will taste excessively salty.That's what has been said about the trans fat ban too, and now it's many years later, and the taste still sucks. You are ACCUSTOMED to the excess salt. Modify that and your taste for salt will be altered. And for the record, I don't like very salty foods. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:24:12 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:22:18 2010. Heh? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:25:12 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:24:12 2010. You said that "processing" should be done near where it's picked. What about all the places that "process" not near where it's picked? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:33:53 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:21:34 2010. I never said it was OK for government to intrude in the way we eat. What I DID say was that banning salt probably won't happen. What is more reasonable, is for government to encourage people to moderate their salt intake. I am against a government-imposed ban on salt, just as I was (and still am) against Bloomberg's trans-fat ban. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:43:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:50:24 2010. That's NYC. That is also unworkable. A reasonable, albeit minimal especially compared to what we find in many processed foods, amount of salt is necessary in cooking many foods.The people that don't understand what this is supposed to do are freaking out over the salt used for baking bread. A minimal amount is needed, and regulation is needed there . Salt is necessary in many foods, but the *levels*used in some processed foods is extreme. I have a reduced salt can of cream of chicken soup. At 410mg of salt, it has one quarter of what anyone needs in a day (excepting those who must eliminate salt entirely). It's plenty salty. It's scary to think what the "regular" soup has for added salt. Fact is, I have a difficult time finding lower salt versions of many foods. Fact is, you won't notice what they are going to do anyway. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:57:00 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:43:46 2010. I have a reduced salt can of cream of chicken soup.Read the fine print on the can. That "reduced salt" refers to a reduction from their regular cream of chicken soup. You will have to look elsewhere, if you are on a reduced salt intake diet. At 410mg of salt, it has one quarter of what anyone needs in a day... The other deal is that the manufacturer is free to specify the serving size. Those 410 mg may be in 4 oz of soup and not a bowl full. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:57:23 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:25:12 2010. That's where you end up with inferior quality that needs additives to "enhance" flavor.The idea is to minimize any additives. If someone wants to slather their food with salt,do it at the table. There is no need for it to be added at the processor. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 11:58:04 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. "Creeping fascism".The question is: will Americans object, or bend over like meek sheep? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 11:59:21 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:01:41 2010. A lot of what we consider tasty is learned by repetition. I've been on a sodium restricted diet and have become acclimated to it.Good for you. Freely choosing to lower your salt intake is fine. I like my salt, so those who want to force me to change can go fuck themselves. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:59:43 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:23:57 2010. The two are very different. I *know* from firsthand experience about salt. Many others have the same experience. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:00:15 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 10:00:33 2010. Bloomberg was never a Republican. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:01:00 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:02:13 2010. Means nothing, especially in New York.Changing labels does not change what's in the can. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:06:06 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:51:47 2010. If more people took care of their own health we would all benefit. Medical costs would go down.If all Americans supported our president during the war, perhaps it would be over by now. If more Americans supported the government's efforts to root out terrorists, perhaps we'd be a little safer. Your side's selective defense of individual rights is appalling. The fact that salt is bad and that less salt consumption could be healthier is irrelevant. Jeez, we've fought countless wars to defend ourselves against this sort of thinking, now we are poised to inflict upon ourselves. If salt makes us sicker, and if that drives up health costs, pay the fucking medical bills. I don't want the government to use the excuse that freedom of choice is too "expensive" to allow. When that mindset becomes embedded in society, we are doomed. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 12:06:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:57:00 2010. Yep. Yikes!870mg (x2.5) in the "regular" version???? That's insane! It's stuff like this that something needs to be done about. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:06:36 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:51:47 2010. If more people took care of their own health we would all benefit. Medical costs would go down.If all Americans supported our president during the war, perhaps it would be over by now. If more Americans supported the government's efforts to root out terrorists, perhaps we'd be a little safer. Your side's selective defense of individual rights is appalling. The fact that salt is bad and that less salt consumption could be healthier is irrelevant. Jeez, we've fought countless wars to defend ourselves against this sort of thinking, now we are poised to inflict it on ourselves. If salt makes us sicker, and if that drives up health costs, pay the fucking medical bills. I don't want the government to use the excuse that freedom of choice is too "expensive" to allow. When that mindset becomes embedded in society, we are doomed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:08:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:10:21 2010. In many cases, the amount of added salt is absolutely ridiculous.Who the fuck anointed you the Queen of Salt? It's just like a liberal to codify their personal views into rights and wrongs they think all must share. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:10:53 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:37:22 2010. I don't want to pay for some fat bastard's health insuarnce.Then you should have opposed Obamacare. Said fat bastard would then be on his own. I repeat, if the government is going to use a financial reason to justify regulating individual behavior, we are doomed as a free society. If it's a choice between freedom to intake salt and higher medical costs, I choose the latter. You don't do a cost/benefit analysis for freedoms. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:12:06 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 20 10:17:55 2010. Seeing how industry now caves to every government threat, said guidelines will hardly be "voluntary". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:13:18 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:43:46 2010. Salt is necessary in many foods, but the *levels*used in some processed foods is extreme.It's not for you to decide what I consider an extreme amount of salt. It's a fucking free country. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 20 12:20:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:12:06 2010. Seeing how industry now caves to every government threatYou mean, like the coal mining industry? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 12:25:55 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:13:18 2010. I could give a f*ck about what you consider an extreme level of salt. The issue is what some third party processor adds that is beyond what is necessary. Anyone can always add more if they choose. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:28:08 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 20 12:20:46 2010. They're the next one to cave to government pressure.The biggest pimps of climate change are now oil companies. The biggest pimps of green energy are now power companies. The biggest pimps of healthcare reform are pharmaceutical companies. The biggest supporter of financial reform is Goldman Sachs. These aren't principled institutions, they simply will do whatever is "easier" for them to remain in business. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 12:28:28 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 12:06:24 2010. But people continue to choose the regular can because it tastes better than the so-called reduced sodium canWhat the government should do if it is really serious about this is engage a massive R&D effort to invent low fat and low sodium foods that taste IDENTICAL to their "regular" counterparts. Then it won't be an issue. I hate being patronized by being told - "don't worry you won't notice the change in taste" or "great tasting diet soda" or "great tasting diet mayo". They are all LIES. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 12:29:40 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. And the source for the information? It appears as though someone got duped and failed to check sources before running this claim as news. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 12:30:47 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 12:28:28 2010. I hate being patronized by being told - "don't worry you won't notice the change in taste" or "great tasting diet soda" or "great tasting diet mayo". They are all LIES.I agree. I know I sure can tell the difference between a product with sugar and a product sweetened with sucralose, which is supposed to taste "just like sugar". Same with caffeinated vs decaf. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 12:30:51 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 12:25:55 2010. Its not the same. Adding salt to a bowl of spaghetti for example is not the same as if the spaghetti is boiled in the salt. It's downright horrible! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:32:56 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 12:28:28 2010. The other problem is that the science which these initiatives are based on is often later proved wrong. How long did it take the government to realize that the "food pyramid" was actually an unhealthy diet? For years milk consumption and exposure to sunlight by children was attacked as unhealthy, and what did that lead to? A resurgence of ricketts. Cholesterol was attacked for decades before scientists realized there were good kinds the body actually needed. |
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