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Posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jun 25 21:22:51 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 25 07:49:52 2009. Riverhead has some trashy areas....especially around the railroad station. Ironically, the Railroad Museum of LI is across the street from a major hangout for local day-laborers. Sadly, it attracts local bums and vagrants both Mexican and Gringo. |
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Posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jun 25 21:24:10 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Jun 25 06:17:09 2009. Have you been in any of the Five Boroughs lately, Jeff. There are less areas of 'cesspool' thanks to gentrification. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jun 25 22:10:51 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 25 21:01:56 2009. BTW, it's Paterson (only 1 t)Same thing goes for the Governor of our little banana republic here, while we are at it! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 25 23:16:39 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jun 25 21:24:10 2009. He wouldn't recognize his old stomping grounds in Bushwick. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 25 23:36:36 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 25 21:03:21 2009. I live in Florida. But visit NY. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 02:13:59 2009, in response to Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 20:12:39 2009. Where's La Raza? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 26 02:32:48 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 25 10:28:03 2009. Gangs should have automatic suspension of habeas corpus. JMO. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jun 26 02:39:04 2009, in response to Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jun 24 20:12:39 2009. You could make the same argument about almost the whole of Florida. Ever seen parts of Miami? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 02:49:52 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jun 26 02:39:04 2009. Yes. I just complain about everyplace. I week ago, I was complaining about rednecks in pickup trucks tailgating me on I-75.There are three types on the roads in Florida. Ruffnecks, Rednecks, and retired teachers from Syosset. Still, I ask, "Where is La Raza"? They should be speaking out about this! |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jun 26 04:14:39 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 02:49:52 2009. Same place the Black Panthers are on Gun crime or Arayn Brotherhood on Meth: busy blaming others for their beef. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:02:44 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by shiznit1987 on Thu Jun 25 17:45:37 2009. North Philly scare me....reminded me of ENY circa 1989. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:04:18 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 25 21:01:56 2009. I don't quite understand why Paterson is as bad as it is. It's surrounded by some of the most affluent towns in northern NJ. Ditto for Plainfield, which was always working class but not the heck-hole it is now. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:05:19 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Thu Jun 25 13:07:13 2009. Paterson, Plainfield and Newark, right? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 12:10:54 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:04:18 2009. Basically, median affluence bears an inverse relationship to the crime rate; less affluence, more crime.Paterson certainly isn't an affluent community. Industry left decades ago. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 12:55:05 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 12:05:19 2009. Newark, Plainfield, Asbury Park. In that order. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 13:05:11 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 12:55:05 2009. Interesting. I excluded AP and Camden due to their distance from NY. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Jun 26 13:21:21 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jun 25 11:42:54 2009. Where is Newburgh? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 13:27:08 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Jun 26 13:21:21 2009. Newburgh, NY |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 13:30:20 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 13:05:11 2009. I think that Plainfield was nice when we lived there. Or I thought that it was. I was really young in Newark and don't remember. Asbury Park was literally falling apart. |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri Jun 26 13:32:13 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 13:27:08 2009. Thanks. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:47 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 13:30:20 2009. Asbury is better now. I went there last year to see TNA Wrestling at the Convention Hall, and parked on the street. Lots of cops on bikes patrol the area and boardwalk. At one time, they had a high crime rate. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Fri Jun 26 15:14:43 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 25 23:16:39 2009. Bushwick is awesome :PIt's a party every night there. The only quiet time there is in the morning when the people actually sleep, cause they don't do it at night. It wouldn't surprise me to see people barbequing food at midnight! Good old times. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 15:20:38 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Fri Jun 26 15:14:43 2009. What???????????? More details please. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 15:26:27 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 14:41:47 2009. Much of it was really bad in the 70's when I lived there. It got even worse in the 80's. They had a really high crime rate. Much higher than California, although they never had the super high murder rates like we had out this way.I visited several times over the years. The last time was 7 or 8 years ago and I could see that it was already getting better. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jun 26 17:02:44 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 13:30:20 2009. AP has been falling apart since the 1950's. It's Coney Island on a larger scale. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 26 20:12:45 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 26 02:32:48 2009. Gangs should have automatic suspension of habeas corpus. JMO.Define a gang. |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jun 26 21:39:35 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by d_mind on Thu Jun 25 00:17:19 2009. It's more hardcore than that. Serious criminal activity in that part of the world.-w- |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 22:13:50 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 12:10:54 2009. Perception is not always reality.Crime comparison Tampa vs. Paterson |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 23:00:24 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by d_mind on Thu Jun 25 00:17:19 2009. Don't insult Queens! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 23:07:11 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 22:13:50 2009. I'm not following - this seems to suggest that both Tampa, Fl and Paterson, NJ have crime problems. |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 23:15:26 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 23:07:11 2009. A little I guess, but the perception on this forum by many is that places like Paterson are dangerous and that places like Tampa are not. Paterson was just described as dangerous and it's only slightly above the national average. It's hardly comparable to places like Oakland, Newark, etc. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 26 23:26:44 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by SMAZ on Fri Jun 26 20:12:45 2009. Define a gangHowzis? (I'd say that's enough to fit the "rebellion" criterion for suspension of the writ of habeas corpus.) |
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Posted by d_mind on Fri Jun 26 23:33:48 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jun 26 23:26:44 2009. Simplified: "group of mopes". |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 23:45:11 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 23:15:26 2009. National average in crime stats can be misleading because of actual distributions of crime.I've been to Paterson a few times, the area between the station and the courthouse, and I would describe it as hardly a nice place. It was really one of the worse off areas that I encountered. Been to Tampa twice when much younger, and I don't recall much at all. Newark isn't great, but I have been to very different areas within it that it makes a huge difference; still, most of Newark isn't exactly the idealized paradigm of 1950s Americana. I wouldn't call any of the foregoing 'dangerous', but neither would I feel fine about taking a stroll after dark. Nor in all candor would I choose to live in any of these areas. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 27 00:02:05 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by trainsarefun on Fri Jun 26 23:45:11 2009. The cities in NJ look maybe worse than they are because they look old and worn. They are inhabited by working poor, but not as dangerous as made out based on the statistics. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 27 13:45:48 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Fri Jun 26 23:15:26 2009. You can't compare Tampa to Oakland or Newark. Tampa is a nice city. Only places where we have problems are University Park, South St. Pete, and Plant City. We do have bad drivers. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jun 27 14:02:44 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 27 13:45:48 2009. I know. I'm saying that you can't compare Tampa or Paterson to Newark and Oakland. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 27 14:05:32 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Easy on Sat Jun 27 14:02:44 2009. I'm kind of saddened by the news of these shootings in Brentwood. I wish the kids whose parents fled the city could shoot hoops without being victims of a drive-by.Where's La Raza, I ask?(Only Shiznit could compare Raza to Aryan Brotherhood.....lol) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 27 14:38:01 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by d_mind on Fri Jun 26 23:33:48 2009. Rebels against the state are often mopes. What they turn the country into, if they succeed, verifies that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 27 14:55:51 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 27 14:38:01 2009. So this would include suspending Habeas Corpus against neo-Nazi groups, the KKK and the various "militias"? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 27 19:38:27 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 27 14:55:51 2009. Based on activity, yes. (And please be specific about "militias" instead of vague.) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 27 19:39:10 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jun 27 14:55:51 2009. Based on activity, yes. (And please be specific about "militias" instead of vague. Also, show us how such are related to street gangs.) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 00:36:45 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 27 19:39:10 2009. (And please be specific about "militias" instead of vague. Also, show us how such are related to street gangs.)The militias that fall under the defintion of "gang" that you previously posted. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 28 01:10:01 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jun 28 00:36:45 2009. OK, that's fair. I'll let you do the sorting work. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Jun 28 10:42:29 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jun 25 21:22:51 2009. "Don't call me a gringo and I won't call you a spic." |
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Posted by d_mind on Sun Jun 28 12:55:18 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by BMT Guy on Thu Jun 25 21:22:51 2009. Riverhead should be called East Freeport. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jun 29 11:21:25 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 26 15:20:38 2009. http://www.bahighlife.com/Arts-And-Culture/Bushwick-brooklyn.html |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 29 11:27:33 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 25 08:29:07 2009. I agree about the weird perception about places that some chatters have. I don't know Riverhead other than having conducted deed research there, but if you say it's ok, that's good enough for me.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Jun 29 12:23:23 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by DaRidgewoodBusbuff on Fri Jun 26 15:14:43 2009. Bushwick received something of a black eye in the current real estate section of NYT.Among the less honest in real estate Bushwick is.....East Williamsburg. The earlier 2006 profile is here. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jun 29 14:12:54 2009, in response to Re: Brentwood Long Island Shootings, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 25 12:00:00 2009. It's only the low-rent chicken joints I've complained about. Palace. Crown. Royal. Not sure why you post pix like this one, or the Pollo Campero in Ridgewood. |
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