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How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012

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Required reading for those of you convinced you are unfairly accused, I can think of numerous times I've seen people do the things on this list on this board.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by AlM on Tue Nov 20 16:22:54 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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Excellent list.

As a digression (not to diminish the value of your post), some people here could also heed part 2 of item #3 as well. Also, one or two people here have accused others who post here of being antisemites without them doing any of the things on the list, but just for deploring action of Israel, not actions of Jews. Might I also suggest that the term "self-hating Jew" is virtually always inappropriate?


3. Don’t demand that Jews publicly repudiate the actions of settlers and extremists. People who make this demand are assuming that Jews are terrible people or undeserving of being heard out unless they “prove” themselves acceptable by non-Jews’ standards. (It’s not okay to demand Palestinians publicly repudiate the actions of Hamas in order to be accepted/trusted, either.)



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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Nov 20 16:54:12 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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Good blogpost. Some other interesting stuff on there too.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Nov 20 17:48:57 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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excellent.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 20 17:53:38 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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Great post, Oren.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Nov 20 18:05:32 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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Good stuff. Thanks!

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Nov 21 10:33:27 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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I only know one true anti-semite on this board. But I criticize them all the time. Why won't they just pave over the strip. With the terrorist in it.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 21 10:35:53 2012, in response to Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by orange blossom special on Wed Nov 21 10:33:27 2012.

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You should compare notes with Train Dude..

I know of a racist on this board and I E Kick that fool all the time..

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Re: Impossible to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 21 11:47:01 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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"Jews sympathetic to the Palestinian plight" = supporters of a lie.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 21 12:33:37 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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The elephant in the room WRT the situation in Israel is this: What happens when the other side (the Palestinians) promptly elect leaders who are Israel's enemy?

Not a desirable outcome, but that's democracy. You don't always end up dealing with the leaders you'd want...therein lies a quandary, no?

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Nov 21 12:48:36 2012, in response to Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 21 12:33:37 2012.

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No quandary. Don't murder.

I'd like to know why the cops in NYC shot that man outside the empire state recently. He didn't hurt anyone. There's the logic.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Nov 21 12:50:07 2012, in response to Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by Railman718 on Wed Nov 21 10:35:53 2012.

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That ain't the person I'm talking about. There's the race card used in all circumstances that everyone looks at which diluted what real old-timey anti-semites used to say, and the only one here whose used all those saying no one pays attention to.

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Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Nov 21 12:55:07 2012, in response to Re: How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Nov 21 12:33:37 2012.

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There's a huge difference between being someone's enemy and condoning terrorist acts on the basis of that enmity. It would be quite possible for a Palestinian government to detest Israel, but to ensure that terrorists are arrested and tried in a court of law.

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Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 21 19:31:10 2012, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.

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European Jewish Press

Pallywood: faked photos fabricated against Israel

by: Fiamma Nirenstein
Updated: 20 Nov 2012 10:49
At times it’s 3D footage, like the story of Mohammed Al Dura, or Jenin’s. Some other time it is just a picture of a little girl with dermatitis whose pitiful image is spread and described (“according to Palestinians sources”) as a poor thing affected by “white phosphorous” that Israelis apparently spread on children.

Welcome to Pallywood. So let’s get good seats and enjoy the show, as with the current war Pallywood resumed its usual performance. With all due respect for real wounded and dead, and I am really sorry for the newborn lost by a BBC cameraman in Gaza, there is again a parallel war going on, albeit not less important. Pallywood (Palestinian Hollywood) fabricates media hoaxes by having its own civil population play the victims in order to de-legitimize Israel. The ongoing war has already been manipulated by International media; its origin in their headlines arises from the gratuitous Israeli decision to eliminate Ahmad Jabari, Hamas military commander.

Hence the rocket barrage and its relative escalation.However, as everyone who has followed the events knows, his targeted elimination only ensued after the South of Israel had become the target of a constant and relentless rocket barrage fired from Gaza. Against all possible evidence Palestinians, supported by the usual NGOs (funded incidentally by us, unaware citizens, as shown by the latest report on anti-Israel NGOs public funding by Giovanni Quer, published by the Federation of Italy – Israel Associations) now support the theory that it is Israel who attacks civilians, not Hamas.

The best way to corroborate such theory is though doctored pictures: Tablet Magazine’s Adam Chandler exposed an image of a grieving father holding his dead child, who purportedly died under Israeli fire. That picture is unfortunately real, except it refers to an incident that happened in Syria. Another documented attack on Israel was shown by BBC three days ago: their footage shows a man wearing a beige jacket and a T-shirt lying on the ground and being carried away at 2:11. Except at 2:44, he appears walking on his own. Miraculous resurrections had their prime time in the clip filmed by a drone in Jenin in 2002: the city that gave birth to so many terror attacks was under siege, which eventually resulted in 52 Palestinian and some forty Israeli deaths. A full-scale battle.

Palestinian propaganda claimed a thousand of deaths, a massacre “like Srebrenica”, said UN envoy Terje Larse. Myselfa reporter on site, didn’t buy it, it wasn’t mandatory to trust Palestinian sources only, I thought as any other journalist could have thought, and I could find my own. After the “massacre”, a funeral was carrying a corpse over a stretcher, covered by a green shroud. But the stretcher kept swaying to the point that he jumped off it. A walking dead.

Pallywood is full of imagination. There is a Palestinian little girl who “washes away her brother’s blood”, but it turns out it to be the cleaning of a cows slaughterhouse in Ramallah; there’s the scene of a father, who, according to a palestinian envoy to the UN, Khullood Badawi, is carrying the corpse of her murdered little girl to the cemetery, but actually here we are in Iraq; there is a little girl, Asil Ara’ra, shot dead, but it’s a picture taken in Yemen, Israel has got nothing to do with it; there is a poor little thing who draws with a pencil tied on a stump in a hospital, but that was taken in a hospital in Oakland … the purported atrocities perpetrated to children took root since 2002,in full swing Intifada, when French television Charles Enderlin, without having been on site and using filmed footage by his palestinian cameraman, made Mohammed Al Dura the world wide paradigm of Israeli cruelty. A little boy who died in his father hands targeted by the fire of wicked soldiers. German, French, and US studies and films showed that Mohammed could even be alive, and there is no proof anyway that he was murdered by Israelis.

Hezbollywood significantly supported Pallywood: we still remember the ambulance with a perfectly round hole in its roof during the Lebanon war (2006), but it wasn’t a cannonhole—simply a purposely made stunt; family pictures moved from one corner to the other of smoking ruins, along with the same toys photographed over and over again. And what about the black smoke of explosions in Beirut, all made up, reason why a Reuters photograph was laid off? Did we learn a lesson from it? Will we go on writing “according to Palestinian sources we learn that…”?


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Re: Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again

Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Nov 22 08:43:17 2012, in response to Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 21 19:31:10 2012.

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If coming back to life after being attacked by the Israeli's doesn't show how the 'palestinians' are a chosen people, i don't know what does.

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Re: Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 12:29:54 2012, in response to Re: Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Nov 22 08:43:17 2012.

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Chosen by who, though?

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Re: Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Nov 22 15:26:38 2012, in response to Re: Palestinians Faking Images Again; Liberal Press Supports Again, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Nov 22 12:29:54 2012.

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I randomly choose.....Kofi Annan to chose them.

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Re: Impossible to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 27 13:56:54 2025, in response to How to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Nov 20 16:12:27 2012.


The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is a real minefield in that it’s a clash between oppressed people of color and an ethnoreligious group that is dominant in Israel but marginalized and brutalized elsewhere …
No; that is BS. The "Palestinians" are not "oppressed people of color".

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Re: Impossible to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic

Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Mar 27 15:59:27 2025, in response to Re: Impossible to Criticize Israel Without Being Anti-Semitic, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 27 13:56:54 2025.

It's werid how someone who is a ginger, and is a "palestinian" becomes a person of colour.

The world is an interesting place when you are nuts.

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