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My view on the Epstein suicide
Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019 Epstein committed suicide. Period. The guards fell asleep. Anyone in the NYPD who was ever a cell attendant will tell you it's common practice to just make the entries every half hour that you checked the cells without actually checking them. Certainly not right but I've been guilty of it. If someone was planning on offing him it would have long been done already. I feel real sorry for the guards who will be charged with a felony for falsifying official records and probably lose their jobs. Maybe they can use the sleep apnea defense that the Amtrak engineer got away with. Enough with the stupid conspiracy theories.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Aug 14 13:32:41 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* So flouting procedure is okay according to you. Thanks for further undermining the public's trust in law enforcement and authority in general.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 14 13:34:52 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 14 13:32:41 2019.* Way to miss the point entirely.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Aug 14 13:44:47 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* Sleep apnea is a real thing, not something to "get away with". It's wrong to suggest otherwise. I still think too many people benefit from Epstein's death for the possibility of foul play not to be considered. Every detective I ever knew said the first thing they ask when starting a homicide investigation is,"who benefits?" Here, the list of such people is full of individuals who have everything to lose. Everything. Just like Epstein himself did.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 14 13:49:08 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* I agree that it's the most likely scenario. The second most likely is that Epstein paid the guards a lot of money to fall asleep.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Aug 14 13:50:24 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 13:49:08 2019.* Just playing devil's advocate here, a third party could also have paid the guards a lot of money to go to sleep. Unlikely, but not impossible.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 14 13:53:54 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 14 13:50:24 2019.* That wouldn't have gotten the third party into the cell, which is a zillion times more difficult than getting the guards to sleep.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Aug 14 14:00:44 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 13:53:54 2019.* Unless a guard admitted said third party into the cell, and then went to sleep...
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Aug 14 14:14:44 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* i cant believe i agree with you iawtp
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 14 14:16:53 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 14 14:00:44 2019.* But to even get to the outside of the cell door requires the cooperation of another half dozen people in addition to the two guards who were sleeping. Too complicated a conspiracy (though I understand that Trump claims Hillary has amazing criminal powers).
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Posted by WayneJay* on Wed Aug 14 14:18:51 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* I think there's more to it, but.. In your view of it... Even if guards are routinely signing off without actually checking on the inmate I'd guess that in such a case with a high-profile person... They'd CYA and actually do the checks.
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 14 14:23:16 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by WayneJay on Wed Aug 14 14:18:51 2019.* I think there's more to it, but.. How did the officials find out the two guards were sleeping? The answer is that there are checks and double checks, and all sorts of surveillance. A full-fledged conspiracy would have been incredibly unlikely.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 14 14:35:31 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 14:16:53 2019.* Hillary is Trump's Emmanuel Goldstein.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Aug 14 14:48:44 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 14:23:16 2019.* I wonder about that. Whitey Bulger's death at the hands of another inmate was suspicious as hell, too . Bulger somehow pissed off the staff at the prison where he was getting treated for his declining health. The next day, he was moved to a different prison known by inmates as "Misery Mountain", one of the most dangerous federal lockups in the country. The day after that, old, sick, and defenseless, Bulger was explaining his misdeeds in life to the Devil himself in Hell. If the staff wants you dead, dead you will be. It's not too much of a stretch to imagine someone with enough power arranging things just so. I agree, however, that Epstein might very well have found a way to commit suicide. I'm just pointing out that prison inmates are far more vulnerable than is generally known. Epstein was a marked man the minute the FBI dragged him off the plane at Teterboro. That's a truth we know, too.
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Posted by Jimmymc25* on Wed Aug 14 15:11:26 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* Yes that seems to make the most sense .
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Aug 14 15:53:23 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* #copthink #copspeak I think it is suspicious. This should not have happened.
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood* on Wed Aug 14 19:05:57 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 14 13:32:41 2019.* It’s been widely reported that the MCC and federal detention facilities in general have a serious understaffing problem. I haven’t seen you taking Barr and Trump to task for that.
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood* on Wed Aug 14 19:10:45 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 14 14:00:44 2019.* How does Epstein's failed suicide attempt on 7/23 fit into the conspiracy? Do you believe it was a botched hit job?
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Wed Aug 14 19:49:50 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* Actually believing he killed himself is no longer the "occam's razor" solution, way too many powerful people benefitted from this. Suicides do not happen in this prison. This is the place that could keep El Chapo from offing himself. One of the guards wasn't even a guard. Could have spiked his partner's drink so they'd be conveniently asleep while a couple assassins got to him. NBC reports all was silent that morning. CBS reports there were screams and shouting coming from his cell that morning, "Epstein breathe! breathe!" Like, who says someone's surname when trying to desperately revive him? Or, perhaps strangling him and covering up his screams with shouts making it sound like they're trying to revive him?
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Posted by AlM* on Wed Aug 14 19:53:51 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Aug 14 19:49:50 2019.* couple assassins LOL. Do you have any idea how hard it is to get outsiders into that facility unless they are authorized every which way?
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 14 20:00:22 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 19:53:51 2019.* People still believe someone other than Oswald pulled the trigger and killed Kennedy.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Aug 14 20:02:03 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 20:00:22 2019.* there were multiple shooters that day
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Aug 14 20:02:04 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 20:00:22 2019.* there were multiple shooters that day
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Aug 14 20:03:44 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Aug 14 20:02:03 2019.* LOL! See what I mean?
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Aug 14 20:26:50 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 20:03:44 2019.*
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Wed Aug 14 20:31:43 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 19:53:51 2019.* I left a short splint in one of the cells at MDC. After we finished the call, I had absolutely no difficulty in getting back upstairs to retrieve it. They just waved me through. Yes, I was on duty, but still...
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Wed Aug 14 22:52:33 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Aug 14 20:31:43 2019.* The bullshit is flying tonight.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Thu Aug 15 11:00:18 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 20:03:44 2019.* proff
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Thu Aug 15 11:04:52 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* Then, on the other hand: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/feb/08/usa.secondworldwar
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Aug 15 11:10:38 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Aug 15 11:04:52 2019.* Why are you citing the antisemitic Manchester Grauniad, eh?
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Posted by Easy* on Thu Aug 15 11:13:50 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 14 19:53:51 2019.* Like getting a particular cell mate in with him? How hard do you think that would be?
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Aug 15 11:38:04 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Easy on Thu Aug 15 11:13:50 2019.* Not what Henry was talking about. He was talking about sneaking an outside assassin into the building. And also probably quite difficult (not to mention that getting a cell mate in never happened). You have to bribe the dishonest people without letting the honest people know you've done it.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu Aug 15 12:29:41 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* Jeffrey Epstein's autopsy revealed multiple broken bones in his neck that are more commonly found in homicide by strangulation than suicide by hanging, sources told the Washington Post.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu Aug 15 12:31:12 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 14 13:34:52 2019.* I'm a psychic. I was waiting for this story to happen the second it looked like they were about to finally "lock her up". Totally not shocked nor surprised.
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Posted by Easy* on Thu Aug 15 13:07:10 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 15 11:38:04 2019.* He didn’t have a cell mate? I heard that he did. The former cop that’s built like He-Man.
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Aug 15 13:11:24 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Easy on Thu Aug 15 13:07:10 2019.* He did, up through his first suicide attempt. Then they put him into a cell by himself, on suicide watch. Then they called off the suicide watch.
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Posted by Dave* on Thu Aug 15 15:04:52 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by orange blossom special on Thu Aug 15 12:31:12 2019.* Psychic or psychotic?
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu Aug 15 15:14:57 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 15 15:04:52 2019.* Which one is defined by knowing the future?
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu Aug 15 15:15:39 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 15 13:11:24 2019.* Then the autopsy and WashingtonPo said it was a homicide. So I guess the authorities were right, but were negligent in the murder.
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Posted by Avid Reader* on Thu Aug 15 15:43:50 2019, in response to My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Aug 14 13:29:25 2019.* In the immortal words of "DEEP THROAT" FOLLOW THE MONEY
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 15 15:55:14 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Avid Reader on Thu Aug 15 15:43:50 2019.*
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Thu Aug 15 19:42:32 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 15 13:11:24 2019.* They called off suicide watch earlier and moved his cellmate out less than a day before he suicided. And an assassin could have come in as a transfer, janitor, well dressed lawyers, or really anything. Epstein was against literal billionaires. You don't think they could slip valid credentials into the computer system for a completely unrelated thing (to avoid suspicion) and just wandered, clearing their tracks afterward? Used an NSA backdoor? Cloned an RFID badge? Hell if you make the not-entirely-far fetched assumption that Russia/China/North Korea already has us hacked a perpetrator could use their access, he had dirt on frickin Prince Andrew and the Saudis!
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Aug 15 20:00:39 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Aug 15 19:42:32 2019.* And an assassin could have come in as a transfer, janitor, well dressed lawyers, or really anything. And gotten into the cell how? And avoided the cameras that clearly logged the failure of the guards to come by, how? And failed to get entered into the log of people entering the facility how?
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Aug 15 20:02:11 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 15 13:11:24 2019.* Calling off a suicide watch is very suspicious.
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Posted by orange blossom special* on Fri Aug 16 09:46:53 2019, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Aug 15 19:42:32 2019.* Reminds me of when Obama went to that midnight soccer game alone to watch his daughter play after he ditched the reporters. Then his FBI file disappeared.
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Re: My view on the Epstein “suicide”
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Mar 25 05:58:08 2025, in response to Re: My view on the Epstein suicide, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 14 13:32:41 2019.* Good post.
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