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Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007 They're beginning to eat their own, and I'm enjoying every minute of it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 12 15:27:50 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. I'm glad, it's a good distraction from the GOP meltdown. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 12 17:14:34 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. Eating their own? The Republicans are masters of that lately. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 12 19:30:28 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. You still think the GOP's worth anything?Real conservatives vote Constitution Party, pal. The two major parties are left-wing. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Mar 12 21:28:06 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. Enjoy, you skinflint. Your taxes are going up and your kid will have to get government aid to go to school. No stolen dividend check loot for him. |
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Posted by BIE on Mon Mar 12 21:29:47 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 12 19:30:28 2007. Your faith is YOUR faith. No one else gives a flying fuck. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Mar 12 21:30:12 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. This is what I think is really stupid about Partisan politics. Right now, the balance of power is tipping toward the left, Republicans are starting to disagree with THEIR OWN MAN in the White House, and you are making a big deal about one guy fussing because some democrat did not appear on a television program. WOW, they're really falling apart!Partisan politics='teh suck'. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 12 22:17:24 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Mon Mar 12 21:29:47 2007. What does "my faith" have to do with any political party? I mentioned the Constitution Party to get Chris' goat, and to possibly get him thinking.I've never discussed "my faith" on this board, for the record. I have discussed religious scripture, though, when it was brought up by those that appeared to "give a flying fuck" by bringing it up. Not my fault if nobody likes the answers; but then again, they ain't my words. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 12 23:57:50 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. Uh, Kucinich? Who is he?Seriously, however, he has fallen to beyond the point of irrelevance. I'm surprised anyone even listens to him, as he is now the butt of Letterman jokes, and that's his only exposure. |
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Posted by UWS Greg on Tue Mar 13 02:07:57 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 12 22:17:24 2007. I just read most of your link to the "Constitution Party."It's a religion. |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 10:29:52 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. Y'see, liberals aren't like conservatives. We argue among ourselves, sure--we don't view our leaders as untouchable. It may often be a political weakness, but it's a strength when it comes to policymaking. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 13 11:32:15 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 10:29:52 2007. The republicans certainly arent viewing bush as untouchable now. Many are standing up to him(Chuck Hagel, Olympia Snowe, John Warner... the list goes on...). |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 12:53:55 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 13 11:32:15 2007. Yes. But it took extreme levels of incompetence for them to sit up and take notice. The GOP was almost universally heaping praise on him up until about 2 years ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 10:29:52 2007. Well, Republicans aren't like Democrats. They're poised to nominate a pro-choice presidential candidate for the '08 elections. Call me when a pro-lifer gets nominated by the Democrats. Heck, I'll gladly accept a pro-life Democrat being allowed to speak at the DNC. The Republican party has a "bigger tent". You can be pro-choice and pro-gay rights and still get invited to all the big parties. Try being a Democrat who supports the opposite. Heck, try being a Democrat who dares to say the invasion of Iraq was a good thing! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:31:05 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Mar 12 23:57:50 2007. He's one of the hard left's biggest cheerleaders. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:32:54 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by J trainloco on Mon Mar 12 21:30:12 2007. Actually it's "three" Democrats. And it's not just Kucinich. If you actually watched the news, you'd see many, MANY Democrats fighting over this very issue. It's uglier than any rifts within the Republican party. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:33:36 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Mar 12 15:27:50 2007. The Donkey meltdown is both larger and quite a bit more amusing. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:35:39 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:33:36 2007. In which year? You seem to be the only one privvy to it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:36:32 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Mon Mar 12 17:14:34 2007. Not lately. Perhaps in 2006, but now it's the Democrats turn to allow the extremists in their party to drag the whole organization down. Mrs Clinton, Code Pink on line #1, and they say it's urgent ... |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Mar 13 18:49:06 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 12:53:55 2007. Nah-- a number of republicans really werent exactly happy with bush-- They just got no media attention until such a view was popular. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:55:34 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 13 18:49:06 2007. A few, and a definitive minority. They're even fewer in numbers now, since some lost their seats last November. Nothing like the impending civil war between the pragmatic and insane left-wingers we're going to see (we already are to a degree) within the Democratic Party. Like I said, the elephant can hold up a bigger tent than a donkey can. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 18:58:21 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Tue Mar 13 18:49:06 2007. They've had enough media attention for the last 6 years. They just weren't on Fox news. I guess newt, Buchanan, Savage, and what's the former Florida senators name who has the tv show were the first mainstreamers. Heck some of those have been doing it since prior to '04 right? But the neo-con war architects said schrub screwed up years ago. He couldn't follow instructions. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Mar 13 21:58:58 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007. The Democrats elected a pro-life senate majority leader. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 21:59:10 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:32:54 2007. Maybe it's "uglier", but it's over a stupid non-issue that really has nothing to do with important issues.Let me be clear: I'm neither Democrat, nor Republican. I think partisan politics are garbage. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 22:14:15 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by UWS Greg on Tue Mar 13 02:07:57 2007. No it's not. Do you see them attempting to disestablish Amendment I of the Constitution? Nope.They may be of a particular religion, but they are not proposing a state religion. Go ahead and try and prove that they are. You'll come up extremely short. And like it or not, the Constitution does mirror laws found in the Bible, something that the Constitution Party unabashedly points out. If you don't like that fact, then perhaps you aren't supporting the US Constitution. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 22:16:37 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Mon Mar 12 21:28:06 2007. That's what happens when you have too many neocons spoiling the broth. |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:26:07 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Dand124 on Tue Mar 13 21:58:58 2007. (I don't think he hears you. What you said doesn't fit into his world view.) |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:30:44 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007. I'll believe the GOP Pro-Choice candidate (Giuliani) when I see it. And in all honesty, I'll be glad if and when it happens. It'll be good for the country as a whole. But bear in mind, he'd be the first since 1976 (Gerald Ford.) That's 32 years there!Moderate Republicans are trotted out for the convention, and shown whenever the GOP wants to create the illusion of a "Big Tent". But they have absolutely zero power when it comes to national policy decisions. The far-right base is the only thing the current president or the party leadership will listen to. Your tent is very small indeed. (In fact the remaining congressional GOP moderates might even be in a better position with Democrats in power) |
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Posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:32:16 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:30:44 2007. And as for a pro-Iraq war Democrate, why the hell should there be? The war is a disaster that should never have happenned. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Mar 13 22:49:52 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:30:44 2007. Ford spawned Chaney, so no modern day versions please!And for trotting keynote speakers down the GOP convention, Zell Miller has been saying some interesting things, blames all of our problems on abortion. This was this week. So there's a long way to go. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Mar 13 23:04:25 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 22:16:37 2007. I asked for no broth! Away! Lest my cane find your backside! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 13 23:19:40 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:31:05 2007. Kucinich is little more than the proverbial tree in the forest. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:12:02 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:55:34 2007. Unfortunately, Lincoln Chafee lost reelection, and Mike Dewine was a moderate as well, but there are a number of moderate senators remaining.Moderate republicans in the house took a real beating. Yay for Chris Shays. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007. There are a number of fairly conservative Democrats-- Look at the senators from Pennsylvania. Bob Casey is a pro life democrat while Arlen Specter is a pro choice republican. Or Nebraska can also be used as an example. Chuck Hagel was against the Federal Marriage ammendemnt while Ben Nelson was for it.Both parties have differing views on many issues. Hell... Look at Zell Miller. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 14 01:13:09 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007. *You can be pro-choice and pro-gay rights and still get invited to all the big parties.*Suuurrreee you can. I care more about the day when the debate they throw on us is actually something relevant however. Most major corporations give domestic partner benefits, and the gov't doesn't care or provide enough assistance to warrent being "pro-life", so it's time to move onto things people actually should be giving a crap about. *Heck, try being a Democrat who dares to say the invasion of Iraq was a good thing! * You mispoke again, or your spinning. The debate is how it was handled. But then again, it's disgusting how the troops have been treated since the first boots on the ground(and argueably before). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 14 02:17:14 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007. They all agree on one thing, though—Don't touch Iran. You'll never see the GOP taking on Iran; if they were, they should have done it already, even before 2003. But all they'll do around Iran is rattle sabers. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 07:53:10 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007. Chris R is actually a conservative Democrat. Ask him. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 07:55:34 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by American Pig on Tue Mar 13 23:04:25 2007. 8-) |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 11:28:22 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:30:44 2007. I'll believe the GOP Pro-Choice candidate (Giuliani) when I see it.Rudy will flip-flop, just like Romney. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 11:34:28 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Mar 13 18:30:15 2007. Heck, try being a Democrat who dares to say the invasion of Iraq was a good thing!Finding a Democrat who supported the invasion of Iraq isn't difficult. 29 of the Senate's Democrats voted for invasion of Iraq, and 21 voted against. Finding one who approves of the way the war was managed is another story. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:04:07 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:12:02 2007. They took that beating because they began sounding and voting like Democrats. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:06:51 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by J trainloco on Tue Mar 13 21:59:10 2007. The war in Iraq is not a real issue? Go to Google News and do a search with the keywords "Democrats" and "war funding". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:08:36 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Andrew Kirschner on Tue Mar 13 22:30:44 2007. Moderate Republicans are trotted out for the convention, and shown whenever the GOP wants to create the illusion of a "Big Tent". Total bullshit. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:10:54 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 11:28:22 2007. He already has (he was pro-life before the 1993 mayoral election). His advisors have come up with an interesting defense for this. While he still maintains he's pro-choice, he's vowing to not pursue an activist social agenda and he will nominate only "constructionist" judges to the bench if elected. It'll be interesting to see if he can get away with "triangulating" this issue. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:22:50 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007. Bob Casey was denied the right to speak at the 1992 DNC simply because he was pro-life. Republicans have a greater tolerance for pro-choicers (a good one third of the party IS pro-choice) than Democrats do for right-to-lifers. Tim Hagan, once a rising star in the Democratic party and their nominee for governor of Ohio in 2002 has had his political career virtually ruined because he married a famous and ardent pro-life advocate (actress Kate Mulgrew). Dick Cheney still remains the darling of the far right, despite being married to a pro-choice republican and despite having a lesbian daughter. Republicans are more tolerant based on their actions, even if Democrats say otherwise. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:24:50 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 11:34:28 2007. Try finding one who supports it NOW. The "We supported the war, but Bush botched it" is a Democratic talking point meant to explain away the hypocricy of caving into political pressure, whether it was for supporting it in 2002 or opposing it in the present. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 12:28:46 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:04:07 2007. They took that beating because they began sounding and voting like Democrats.The voters chose the Democratic candidtae because the Republican candidate wasn't conservative enough? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:35:54 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 12:28:46 2007. No, the Republican voter stayed home because he/she felt there was no point in voting for his/her candidate when that candidate was sounding almost like a carbon copy of the Democrat he/she was running against. Most of the Republicans who lost last November were "moderates". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:38:51 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 13 22:16:37 2007. "Neocons" do not exist. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 14 13:48:22 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:06:51 2007. The issue being discussed was an appearance on FOX, not the issue of war on Iraq. But if you MUST raise that issue, I'd think that republicans are having more of a problem with that. |
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