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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 14:45:38 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:35:54 2007. False - many extremely conservative Ropeublicans lost. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 14:52:32 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:22:50 2007. "Bob Casey was denied the right to speak at the 1992 DNC simply because he was pro-life."False, Crhis. Casey was denied a spot becasue he had refused to endorse the Clinton-Gore ticket. in fact, at least 8 pro-life congressmenn and governors did speak at that Convention. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:33:33 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:38:51 2007. Huh? They think they do. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Mar 14 19:34:12 2007, in response to Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Mar 12 15:11:06 2007. They implode daily. Never seen a group jump ship so quickly:Sen. John Sununu of New Hampshire on Wednesday became the first Republican in Congress to call for Attorney General Alberto Gonzales' dismissal, hours after President Bush expressed confidence in his embattled Cabinet officer. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 19:37:47 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:06:51 2007. Pull the plug on that shit NOW. We are going to be paying for the HUNDREDS of thousands of brain damage cases caused by that texas macho cowboy war for the next 60 years. GIVE SCUMBAG TEXAS BACK TO MEXICO |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 19:38:40 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Mar 14 12:28:46 2007. Remember, you are dealing with a child. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 19:41:12 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:38:51 2007. Yes they do unfortunately. Hopefully we can get some laws passed. Something has to be done about the wall street welfare sucking assholes. I look forward to the next crash. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Mar 14 19:52:19 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:22:50 2007. Who cares. Anti Choice = je$u$nazi. Do you like eric rudolph? |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 12:27:01 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:35:54 2007. That explains Santorum Allen and Talent?Rhode Island is a liberal state. A moderate republican is the only republican who could win there. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 12:41:22 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:24:50 2007. It is also becoming a widely supported republican talking point. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 13:11:47 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 12:27:01 2007. And Conrad Burns? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 13:12:28 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:24:50 2007. Uh, Bush did botch the war. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Thu Mar 15 13:14:05 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:24:50 2007. Strange how you're using quotes from the original war architects pre-Bush and calling them Democrats.The republican party would be deeply offended with you. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 15:03:08 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 13:11:47 2007. Good point-- I knew i was forgetting someone. Burns was, corruptionwise, one of, if not the worst senator. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 18:59:33 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 15:33:33 2007. No, "they" are not what the term "neocon" has evolved into. Neoconservatives are not "neocons". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:01:41 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 12:27:01 2007. That's why I said "most", not "all". Pay attention. Santorum and Allen lost for reasons other than their stance on the issues. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:18:49 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Thu Mar 15 13:12:28 2007. That's a subjective opinion. One could counter that the overthrow of the Hussein regime in the quick and relatively bloodless manner required both excellent planning and execution. Please frame your opinions as such, and not as established facts. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:21:59 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Wed Mar 14 14:52:32 2007. False, Crhis. Casey was denied a spot becasue he had refused to endorse the Clinton-Gore ticket. Wrong. He wanted to make a speech which included a passionate defense of his pro-life beliefs and he was denied the right to do so. in fact, at least 8 pro-life congressmenn and governors did speak at that Convention. None of them mentioned abortion in their speeches. If they wanted to, they'd have joined Casey in the bleachers. |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Mar 15 19:37:09 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Thu Mar 15 12:41:22 2007. chuck hagel is one nazi who wants to pull the plug on the failed war. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 15 20:03:10 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 14 12:24:50 2007. Wrong as usual...many Republicans have started saying it too---and perhaps just enough for a veto-proof majority. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 15 20:05:31 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:18:49 2007. This war was botched from the beginning, however...if Bush didn't want to botch it, he would have gone after the root of the problem---and the root of it is NOT Iraq, but it is nearby.Had the US gone after IRAN (which provides the terrorists to both Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan) and SYRIA, which are the roots of the problem, Bush would have been a genius. Iraq is irrelevant without Iran and Syria---and without Iran, Saddam would be rendered irrelevant. But NO, Bush can't find the right solution to the problem when it stared him in the face. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:27:28 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 18:59:33 2007. I have no idea what you are talking about. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:28:30 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:01:41 2007. Maybe Allen -- but Santorum lost precisely because of his stand on the issues. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:29:33 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:18:49 2007. When you start framing your opinions as such, I will. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:30:21 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:21:59 2007. Your "facts" are hearsay. There is no proof. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Mar 16 04:00:51 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by J trainloco on Wed Mar 14 13:48:22 2007. More of a problem than they are willing to admit.No one believes BUSH and his "war" anymore.. The ONLY reason why he was able to pull it off in the first place was due to 9/11..and even with that..he had to LIE about it to get funding. He had the "stupid" American people so "jacked up" and scared of their own shadows,that they would have believe the sky was PINK if they told the so! The REAL clincher was the so called "terror alert" posted DAYS before the PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION...feeding of the FEAR his people generated to get him[or BUY] his re-election. My God..are people SO DUMB that they can't tell when they are being sold a bag of ROCKS? SO greedy,that they are willing to sacrifice LIVES to get MONEY? Corruption so DEEP that they are willing to forgo ANY MORAL FIBER? Our country is HATED by the outside world more than ever today..and who do you have to thank for that? 2001 should give you a clue. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:05:02 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:30:21 2007. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Casey Because he considered abortion a key social issue for the 1992 presidential election, Casey sought a speaking slot to give a minority plank on the topic at the 1992 Democratic National Convention. He was not given a speaking spot[5] and in a series of news conferences he said the party was censoring his pro-life views.[6] Convention organizers said that Casey was not denied a spot because of his views on abortion, but because they wanted speakers to have endorsed Bill Clinton ahead of time, which Casey had not done.[7][8] After the convention, Casey went on vacation rather than campaign for Clinton in Pennsylvania, which was a key swing state. However, he told the New York Times, "I support the ticket. Period."[9] Although several pro-life Democrats did speak at the convention, they did not focus their remarks on their opposition to abortion, and the issue was not debated the way Casey had wanted.[8] No pro-life Democrat ever mentioned their opposition to abortion in any speech they gave at the '92 DNC. If you want to assert that this was purely coincidential and that they could have had they chosen to, feel free. You will be ridiculed by anyone with more than three brain cells, but no one will deny you that right. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:05:49 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:29:33 2007. I always do. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:10:07 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 15 20:05:31 2007. This war was botched from the beginning, however Hussein is dead, democracy has a foothold in the region and the cost in lives is quite low compared to just about every other major war in American history (twice as many Americans died at the battle of Shilo during the Civil War than have died during the Iraq war in almost 4 years). You've been reading too much about the war in the MSM. Read up on your history and make your own conclusions. You also need to remind yourself that war, in any context, will illicit both death and destruction. You can't win a war without any casualties. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:12:21 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 00:27:28 2007. Neocons do not exist. They are a figment of the left's imagination. Neoconservatives do exist, but are nothing like the "neocons" the left portrays them as. Got it? |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:15:39 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:10:07 2007. Hussein is the ONLY thing which kept the lid on iran and the whole Gulf region. dick breath kicked out the underpinnings for Gulf stability. The surveillance that Daddy set up worked well. Daddy needs to spank his wayward son. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:17:42 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:12:21 2007. you ain't fit to lick Barry Goldwater's shoes. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 15:19:57 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 15 19:01:41 2007. How long till Specter is voted out? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 15:22:15 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007. Lol you used hell and zell in the same sentence - for that he'll condemn you :) |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:33:09 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Wed Mar 14 00:16:43 2007. Look at eliot spitzer. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 15:47:37 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:33:09 2007. I dunno how conservative he really is, but he seems to be taking a tough stand against the big unions which is good, but it could also be a show to keep him elected for the next term where he eventually will bow down to the lobbyists and ignore the ppl the same way Pataki has at the end. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:51:14 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 15:47:37 2007. He should remember that he got elected as the guy who took down the worst animals in society, SCUMBAG CEO'S. not fighting the little guy. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 15:51:17 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 13:10:07 2007. Crhis is the last man standing who believes Bush did a great job with the war. Even the President himself and the new Sec Def have indicated that "mistakes were made" -- that's the premise behind the current "surge". Even stalwarts like George Will beleive the war was botched. |
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Posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:52:11 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 15:51:17 2007. He is Chris. Who is Crhis? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 15:53:32 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:52:11 2007. The same Crhis who spells Rudy's last name as Guiliani. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 16:25:38 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 15:51:17 2007. Crhis is the last man standing who believes Bush did a great job with the war. I didn't say he did a great job. I am only saying that an argument can be made that this war was handled very well. We won it, last time I checked. Even the President himself and the new Sec Def have indicated that "mistakes were made" Bush has a nasty habit of trusting the media, hoping that admitting to mistakes they claim he made will illicit the same kind of sympathy they gave Bill Clinton in the 90's. The only real mistake he made in this war was not defending it more forcefully against unfair and biased MSM reporting. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 16:59:24 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 16 16:25:38 2007. We "won" the invasion. We did not win the subsequent insurgency, which was not predicted by the Administration, though it was oh so predictable.If we had won, we would not still be fighting now, now would we? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 18:35:06 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:51:14 2007. Oh i know, but absolute power corrupts anyone no matter who they are. Honesty is rarity.Spitzer down the road might turn soft if he wants to maintain his majority. I just hope he doesn't turn into Pataki as I do respect Spitzer and hope he does well. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 17 12:10:19 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by italianstallion on Fri Mar 16 16:59:24 2007. We "won" the invasion. We did not win the subsequent insurgency, which was not predicted by the Administration, though it was oh so predictable. The term "insurgency" has been completely abused by those who should know better (the allegedly well-educated media elites). What's going on in Iraq now is nothing more than uncoordinated sectarian violence aimed by some Iraqis targeting mostly other Iraqis. If we had won, we would not still be fighting now, now would we? We aren't fighting, we are policing. The "war" ended over three years ago. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Mar 17 12:13:16 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by BIE on Fri Mar 16 15:15:39 2007. That is the sad reality sometimes. Look at Yugoslavia and Tito. Tito held the many factions together, sometimes through force. But when he died, all hell broke loose. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Mar 17 12:22:33 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 17 12:10:19 2007. What about the so called "Improvised explosive devices" that Iran is using to brain damage dozens of troops a month with? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Mar 17 13:18:41 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 17 12:10:19 2007. Even Bush, Gates and Cheney don't beleive the war is over. In fact, thay say it will last for decades! You are way beyond the fringe. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Mar 17 13:26:33 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Mar 16 15:19:57 2007. He probably will keep on winning until he retires. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 17 15:09:38 2007, in response to Re: Kucinich rips Dems who cancelled on the FOX News debate, posted by R30A on Sat Mar 17 13:26:33 2007. damn. |
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