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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024 I liked her Pelosi-like overacting, name-calling, cackling behavior. I thought it was very confident and presidential. Very mature facial expressions. I also was very impressed with her constant name-dropping and how she sided with Wall-Street banks more than main street.I also thought it took guts to repeat quite a few (more than one) debunked conspiracy theory. And to make it a central focus-point of her campaign. Also, her few bits where it sounded like she was doing closing arguments in front of a jury really resonated with many parts of the black community I am sure. It didn't put the rest of us to sleep at all. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 07:29:01 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. I agree. But I could do without the cackling and smirking, like a kid in a schoolyard in a rank-out fight. That said, no knockout punch from either side but it was evident that Harris did her homework. Trump made good points about the immigration and border security failures...but over and over?? Its a real horserace now. This debate was a far cry from Trump v/s Biden |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:10:47 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. To repeat a comment that I heard elsewhere;"A prostitute will say anything you want to hear so long as you pay her!" |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 11 08:15:31 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. Of course she did. The fix was in. She would’ve won even if she hadn’t shown up. Trump had no shot. Everyone knows that. I’m not saying this as a Trumpist - I’m not a Trumpist by any means - but as a person who mourns the loss of honorable political discourse in our once-great country. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:17:19 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 07:29:01 2024. Trump does the same thing with his facial expressions. If you stand their stoic people would think you aren’t human or soulless. I agree that neither scored a knockout punch, but I also think that this was the most effective I have seen anyone go on the offensive against Trump and get under his skin. The remarks about rally size were well done on Harris’s part. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 08:18:16 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. >>Very mature facial expressionsYou got to be kidding me. Licking her lips flinging her head back at the eating pets line. Her renowned uproarious laughter that appears fake on the Marxist comment. Her squinting, fist on chin look at Trump was overplayed. The constant shaking no of her head when her microphone was muted. Yup mature. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:23:40 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 11 08:15:31 2024. I respectfully disagree. Trump clearly won the first debate against Biden and forced him out of the race. He looked unprepared against Harris especially when she went on the offensive on “ego” issues. He approached the debate like he did against Biden and that hurt him at points. I understand why he was trying to pivot to immigration/border security, but it doesn’t work in every scenario. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:24:35 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 08:18:16 2024. Lou, OBS was being sarcastic with his post |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 08:29:03 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:17:19 2024. Trump stood there making handicapped faces throughout every one of her answers? I'm not even sure if he ever looked at her but she couldn't stop pulling a Pelosi.And yes, it was good that Harris pointed out how much bigger and better his rallies are. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 08:31:52 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:24:35 2024. But I couldn't help remember The Nancy during the state of the union. It was so distracting the way she was constantly emoting and acting like she was drunker than a skunk.I saw the same thing last night in Harris, another politician whom they accuse of never being sober. It's a strange coincidence as I never see anyone act like that. Maybe it's a woman thing? I cannot imagine anyone being enamored with it. But the media and paid shills will write how great she is, with articles written days before she even showed up. The fix was in. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:38:31 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:17:19 2024. Obama has done a DNC add about the crowd size issue. She repeated it. She still hasn't had an original thought. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:40:37 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 08:18:16 2024. Speaking of "eating pets" , several slaughtered animals are turning up near Jamaica bay. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:42:06 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:38:31 2024. None of the candidates go into a debate and have an original thought right then and there. Everything they say is what has been tested in debate prep. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:45:41 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:42:06 2024. Trump is more spontaneous. Harris immediately called for a rematch. When fighters do that it's usually because they lost. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:46:57 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 08:31:52 2024. Maybe not a fix but definitely 3 on 1. |
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Re: Harris won the debate (NYTimes and Swift edition) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 09:00:11 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. As predicted days prior to the "debate", the NYTimes intelligence is in:"A good night for Harris Debating has long been a Kamala Harris strength. It resembles courtroom argument, a core part of her career as a prosecutor. She was calm and forceful she smiled, shook her head She often looked directly at him or the camera; he seemed unwilling to look at her and looked mostly at the moderators. “Trump looked old tonight,” Chris Wallace “Like many of you, I watched the debate tonight,” Taylor Swift wrote on social media afterward. “I will be casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.” [who like his hero Hitler, has a lot of good ideas] --- Speaking of moderators, are they real news people? cuz if so, yikes now it all makes sense. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:03:46 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:17:19 2024. ...and we could have done without the eating cat and dog references |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 09:06:40 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:03:46 2024. We have a thread (very popular, very big, the best thread ever) about this for a reason.I want this guy to be the Czar of something. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:25:02 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 07:29:01 2024. Trump made good points about the immigration and border security failures.But he told Republicans to vote against the bipartisan-negotiated immigration bill earlier this year. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:26:23 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 08:18:16 2024. Licking her lips flinging her head back at the eating pets line.Well, you must admit that it is hysterically funny that Trump is peddling such a ridiculous story as if it were true. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:28:17 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 11 08:15:31 2024. The fix was in.Huh? What kind of fix? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:29:19 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:03:46 2024. Either Trump believes this kind of stuff, or else he thinks the public can be convinced. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 09:34:31 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:45:41 2024. I think you are letting your biases get the better of you. If the election were today I am leaving President blank.Harris wants another debate because she needs the free air time to convince people she isn't more of Biden. People have an opinion, one way or the other, about Trump. Harris needs to convince the marginal Trump supporters to stay home on Election Day. She also was trying to put Trump as the one avoiding debates as he is already bad mouthing the agreed upon moderators for the FOX debate. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 09:43:41 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 09:34:31 2024. NYtimes responds to that:There are a couple of important caveats. First, Harris didn’t have a perfect night. She often ignored the questions from ABC’s moderators — like the opening question about whether Americans are better off than four years ago, as well as questions about her changed positions on fracking and other subjects. She recited her talking points instead. She made a few false or misleading statements She described her policies in ways that weren’t always easy to understand. In Trump’s closing statement, he parried her many promises by pointing out that she has been vice president for three-and-a-half years and asked, “Why hasn’t she done it?” |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:46:07 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 08:46:57 2024. I believe in the 3 on 1 situation. After all, it was obvious that Trump was instantly fact checked by the moderators whereas Harris was not. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 09:48:22 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:03:46 2024. That, having been debunked some days ago,surprised me when trump tried to state it as fact. Clearly this is someone who does not pay attention to what's happening in the world.The ability of some to ignore reality is not something we should seek in our leadership. On today, of all days, we need to be reminded of that? |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 09:50:01 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:26:23 2024. Methinks he might have a future in standup with that one. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 09:55:12 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:46:07 2024. >>Trump was instantly fact checked by the moderators whereas Harris was not.Not checked: Police died on January 6th Not checked: SCOTUS ruling on immunity Not checked: Her attack on IVF |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 09:58:53 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 09:43:41 2024. She hasn't done it because she's Vice President. That job involves calling in a 8 AM daily to check that the President is alive. Anything else she does is window dressing. Just look at her appointment to research the causes for human migration from Central America (Which did not involve any legal powers beyond likely being able to take out library books and some traveling). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:27:48 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 08:17:19 2024. Her facial expressions are the way a normal person would react to what Trump was saying. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:30:53 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Sep 11 08:15:31 2024. He had no chance because he lacks impulse control and his thoughts and ideas are disordered.He only won the last debate because he didn’t stutter. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:31:58 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 09:28:17 2024. Mitch still believes in the myth of the “liberal media.” |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:33:27 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Sep 11 09:46:07 2024. That’s because Trump lied nonstop. There was comparatively little to fact check when it came to Harris. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:34:27 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 09:55:12 2024. Everything she said about those things was true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:40:46 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 09:58:53 2024. People seem to think that the Vice President is some kind of assistant president. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 10:43:02 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:33:27 2024. “When there is asymmetrical lying, there will be asymmetrical fact checking.”— CNN’s Abby Phillip, on X. |
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Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. I thought neither candidate won the debate, but Trump missed many opportunities to deliver a knockout punch. For example, on the so-called “bipartisan border bill” he should have said it was a foreign aid bill that still allows 5000 illegals in a day and that HR 2, sitting on Schumer’s desk for over a year is the true border bill. But instead he went on a tangent. I don’t think anyone’s vote was swayed too much one way or another. Of course, on X all the Trump supporters say he won bigly and all the Harris supporters say she won. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:58:32 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024. Trump isn’t cogent enough to deliver a “knockout punch.” |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 10:59:50 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024. Perfect summary |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 11:12:08 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 11 10:59:50 2024. No, it wasn’t.“5000 illegals in a day?” |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 11 11:28:49 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024. 5000 migrants a DAY? Please check your facts. That's ludicrous. President Biden's EO locks asylum claims at 1500 a WEEK. BTW, it's been quite effective. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Sep 11 11:29:38 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. Debate? There was a debate? I was in the pool room all night playing pool. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 11:33:32 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:40:46 2024. Well, that's what Trump says and his faithful sheep therefore believe him. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 11:36:53 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:31:58 2024. Well, CNN may really be liberal. But what fix?- Trump and Harris both agreed to be fact checked. Trump just needed more of it. - Trump got more time than Harris. Is that a fix because they figured he would use the time badly? - The moderators sycophantly called Trump "Mr. President." Yes, that's done on occasion for ex-presidents, but it sure isn't standard terminology. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 11 11:38:33 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024. For example, on the so-called “bipartisan border bill” he should have said it was a foreign aid bill that still allows 5000 illegals in a day and that HR 2, sitting on Schumer’s desk for over a year is the true border bill.The trouble with that is that the bill was the result of extensive negotiations between Democrats and Republicans. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 12:18:44 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Sep 11 10:50:46 2024. "n the so-called “bipartisan border bill” he should have said it was a foreign aid bill that still allows 5000 illegals in a day and that HR 2, sitting on Schumer’s desk for over a year is the true border bill. "I couldn't help but wonder about that too. But then I remember Obama, the smartest President in recent memory, couldn't remember half of the bills he signed and championed when interviewed in one on one press interviews. So it wasn't a really big deal. I wish I could find these Trump supporters on X. All I ever get are the dumbest sacks of poo and terror supporters on my feed. I'm taking the week off because I can't resist them and X is as pointless as facebook for chatting. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 11 12:19:05 2024, in response to Harris won the debate, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 04:59:07 2024. I like how you got out in front, lol. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 12:22:25 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 11 12:19:05 2024. And it kept me up all night thinking about how great it was that she name dropped the Goldman-Sachs, Mitt Romney and all of the others are supporting her. It touches the independents and middle-america greatly. She left out Iran, Sinwar, and Putin though.I never expected the lamestream media to agree with me though that she won. I'm surprised. A democrat never wins these debates! {end sarcasm} |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Sep 11 12:27:02 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 11 10:34:27 2024. Name a cop who died on 1/06 or shut the fuck up. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Sep 11 12:27:38 2024, in response to Re: Harris won the debate, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Sep 11 09:55:12 2024. That's because the moderators were not prepared for anything that Harris was going to say.The Ohio thing was hilarious. The city manager (who was blasted as being a crook and taking money under the table at a public hearing by citizens!) was ABC's sole source of verification. What a bunch of lazy bums. |
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