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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:16:58 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 17:30:39 2024. Whats so funny?? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 20:17:22 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by DANd124 on Fri Jun 21 19:29:19 2024. Any number of theories are possible but have no evidence supporting them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 21:11:17 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:15:42 2024. I buy that. Why is that weird? Before that he wanted to kill a general. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 21:12:16 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:16:58 2024. The mob story. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:21:55 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 19:55:11 2024. SO ? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:22:03 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:01:39 2024. SO ? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:22:12 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:01:41 2024. SO ? |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Fri Jun 21 21:26:51 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:15:42 2024. Let’s ask John Hinckley |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jun 21 21:27:04 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 20:13:06 2024. How would someone be approached to do something as heinous as that? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:32:08 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:15:42 2024. On the other hand (as S-P notes), are you going to hire Oswald to kill Kennedy months in advance (he got a gun well before 11/22), on the off chance that Kennedy would pass by Oswald's place of work in a motorcade? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:33:35 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Jun 21 21:27:04 2024. Oswald was a known malcontent.But yeah, it's a fairly dubious theory. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:36:58 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 21:12:16 2024. Definitely not The Mob as a whole. But (random possibility), what about some mobster whose girlfriend JFK had taken advantage of?I agree the best support for Oswald as pure loner is that it was total chance that JFK would ride a motorcade past Oswald's place of work. He'd bought the gun to try to kill the "fascist" general; here was a chance to kill the "fascist" anti-Cuban president. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 22:15:04 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:32:08 2024. Random malcontent assassinations are more common. Guiteau, Czolgosz, Zangara, Hinkley, and Bremer were all just random idiots.Yeah, I included Bremer. Did you know that Travis Bickle was based on him? Given that he inspired Hinckley, it counts. John Wilkes Booth was the only conspiracy guy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 21 22:31:12 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 16:16:23 2024. Having been there last September, I can say that I don't believe the prevailing story. I saw the 6th floor window from where the shots allegedly came from. I saw the highway entrance where the motorcade was hit and there is no way a bolt action rifle could have been fired 3 times with such accuracy at a moving target. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 22:36:37 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 21 22:31:12 2024. He was a skilled marksman and he had a scope. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 22:54:06 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:22:12 2024. Have you ever been down there? From the window where Oswald shot from was not all that far from the motorcade. Photography distorts the real distance, making it seem further away. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 22:55:50 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 22:36:37 2024. That much is true. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 01:37:19 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:36:58 2024. The attempt to kill Walker is also very interesting.Oswald told his wife that he missed Walker and took the bus home. Witnesses said a car left the scene. Police were looking for a shooter and getaway car. One theory is that Oswald was part of a conspiracy with the Russians. Shooting Walker was a test he failed and they severedties with him. But he was crazy and went ahead with the plan to kill Kennedy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 01:45:37 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 19:54:24 2024. The Texas trip was being planned for a long time.Lots of time to plot against him. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 01:49:45 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 21 21:36:58 2024. Another theory is that Walker staged his assassination attempt. That it was done to make it look like communists were a violent threat.I think Oswald had a driver get him there and back home. |
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Re: Lone Gunman Deniers? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 22 02:13:32 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 16:16:23 2024. You're as scatterbrained as #37, lol. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 22 09:05:36 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 16:16:23 2024. I also believe that as well. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 09:49:39 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 01:45:37 2024. The trip to Texas was planned, but the venue wasn’t decided until the last minute, and therefore the motorcade route wasn’t decided. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 10:49:17 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 09:49:39 2024. The motorcade route you can pretty much guess and be close and mostly accurate.Looking at the skyline of Dallas in 1963, it's amazing how unimpressive the skyline is. It's highly unlikely someone like Oswald pulled this off and gets killed by a nightclub owner on live television. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 22 10:52:40 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 22:36:37 2024. The grouping was too close together for be fired from a bolt action rifle. If you doubt me, there are marks on the pavement where the motorcade was struck. It just seems inconceivable that the story is true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 11:14:18 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 10:49:17 2024. No, you can’t, because it’s also about the order of the venues, and Kennedy wanted to use streets and Conally the expressway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 11:15:36 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 22 10:49:17 2024. It’s highly unlikely that anybody conspired to do any of this. Conspiracy theories fall apart at the slightest scrutiny, and their proponents then have to go in deeper. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 11:17:31 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 22 10:52:40 2024. They are not too close to be fired from a bolt action. You can load multiple rounds into a bolt action, and a skilled gunman can very quickly release the spent rounds. The timing of the shots is well attested and is completely consistent with that. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Jun 22 11:35:10 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 20:01:39 2024. Just like the Senior Drill Instructor stated! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 22 12:08:58 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 22 09:49:39 2024. Yep.The Wikipedia article on Oswald says that the route was announced several days in advance, but Oswald only went back to his home in Irving (he stayed in a rooming house in Dallas during the week) on the morning of the 22nd and came back to Dallas with some "curtain rods." So it sounds like last minute execution of a plan that couldn't have been put in place much earlier. Looking at the whole thing statistically, there might have been hundreds of malcontents in the US who wanted to kill Kennedy and actually had the means to do it (a gun and training in using it), but no obvious opportunity. So for one of those hundreds to get incredibly lucky and have Kennedy announced in advance as passing by his place of work is not an unbelievable coincidence. But there would have been far fewer active plots ("Here's some money, look for an opportunity) going on. And for one of those to have been presented with the opportunity that JFK was going to travel past the work location of a conspirator is a way greater coincidence. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sat Jun 22 15:26:39 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jun 21 22:54:06 2024. YEP 1990sCASED THE WHOLE JOINT |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 22 19:14:54 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 22 12:08:58 2024. IIRC JFK was supposed to have his car covered by a protective bubble because of the threat of rain in the area. At the start of the motorcade the skies cleared and the bubble was left off. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 22 22:56:07 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:22:03 2024. It means he was capable of pulling off the assassination on his own.Despite what that movie from 1973 says. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sat Jun 22 22:56:07 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Jun 21 21:22:03 2024. It means he was capable of pulling off the assassination on his own.Despite what that movie from 1973 says. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 23 06:09:17 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 18:21:44 2024. As I have mentioned many times on various forums, I recall reading in the Daily News a year or so before the assassination about an individual who fit Oswald’s profile perfectly. Somewhere stuck in a tiny article just before the sports section was a photo of a person described as a former Marine with his Russian born wife taken near Red Square in Russia. The article reported that the person in the photo had moved to Russia because he was tired of the “rat race” mentality in the US and wanted to live in a country more in line with his personal views. When the news media announced the background of the alleged assassin which fit almost perfectly with the description I had read about a couple of years earlier, It set off the bells in my head about that article and right away I put the 2 and 2s together. I still can’t figure out to this day how and why the Daily News got and chose to print such an article especially since it was in a part of the paper that few people even read. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 23 06:13:10 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by LuchAAA on Fri Jun 21 19:53:38 2024. See my post somewhere in this thread concerning a Daily News article I read a few years earlier about a person who fit Oswald’s profile almost perfectly. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Jun 23 06:24:43 2024, in response to Moon Landing Deniers, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri Jun 21 09:46:48 2024. Something that a lot of people seem to ignore is the possibility of LBJ’s part in any alleged conspiracy. It is known that LBJ wasn’t too happy about being selected as “second fiddle” to JFK but chose to accept the VP nomination anyhow. Now it does seem rather strange that JFK was killed in LBJ’s home state rather than any other random location, so if opportunity presented itself anything is possible. There are still people alive who could be harmed by release of certain info concerning the assassination and I suspect that when the last person who could ever be harmed by release of such info is long gone, the true facts will be revealed. |
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Posted by Rockparkman on Sun Jun 23 09:58:44 2024, in response to Moon Landing Deniers, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri Jun 21 09:46:48 2024. Moon landing deniers are asswipeholes. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 29 01:44:17 2024, in response to Re: Lone Gunman Deniers, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 21 21:12:16 2024. Rob Reiner did a podcast series last year for the 60th anniversary of the assassination of JFK."Who killed JFK?" is the name of the podcast. |
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