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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 10:59:37 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:54:00 2024. Because electric power generation is more efficient than an internal combustion engine, so less energy is wasted by burning natural gas to make electricity for an EV. And some percentage of electric generation is going to be inorganic (solar/wind/hydro/nuclear) so depending on where you live it would be even more efficient. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 11:09:45 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 10:59:37 2024. While natural gas is used to produce 43% of all US electricity, the 2nd greatest source of electricity in the US is coal fired. EV charging stations place an unnecessary burden on our national power grid as evidenced by frequent calls in California to refrain from charging EVs during peak load times. I still maintain that EVs should only be charged by wind or solar generation. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 14 11:17:21 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:19:03 2024. Automotive experts do, however, state that there are road trips that an EV, given their current range, cannot do such as Route 66 end to end.You should not listen to these "automotive experts." An EV will not get you "end to end" on a single charge. However, that's 2448 miles between Chicago and Los Angeles. Neither would any ICE vehicle currently on the market. EV stations are spaced about every 50 miles along the route 66, where it still exists or on the more modern adjacent roads that replaced them. That's ample coverage for even a Baker Electric. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 14 11:37:00 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 11:09:45 2024. While natural gas is used to produce 43% of all US electricity, the 2nd greatest source of electricity in the US is coal fired.Wrong again. Here are the figures: https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php Go to the chart and move the cursor for 2022, the latest figures shown. There will be a popup box that shows the various amounts in billion kilowatt-hours. coal: 829 B-KWH natural gas: 1,689 B-KWH nuclear: 772 B-KWH renewables: 913 B-KWH petroleum and other: 40 B-KWH Electricity generated by renewables have exceeded coal generation since 2020. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 11:50:03 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:54:00 2024. Why would I want to add a gasoline generator to my car? It's bad enough most of the cars out there are nothing but generators for their stupid 12v antiquated architecture. I'd much prefer a coal boiler instead.But you bring up a great point that Mr. Musk has made. A gasoline car can only handle one type of fuel. Electric is energy agnostic. As long as there is a source, it doesn't matter where it comes from. As long as I can find a plug, I am good. There's electricity everywhere I go. I'm not much for camping. :) |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 11:51:18 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 11:09:45 2024. Currently 8 states are telling us not to pump gas before 6pm as it's inefficient and polluting.Something we all knew for a long time. But now they have to remind us not to pump during the day. I was in California during the controversy. I never had an issue charging. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 12:01:23 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 11:50:03 2024. To your final point, I agree. I think Musk makes a great point - so long as you can find a plug - and we are not experiencing rolling brown outs and the governor isn't asking you not to charge your EV.That EVs will be the future is likely a fact but I will not be forced by government or bribed by government to choose an EV before there is infrastructure to support it. As of now, I have no trouble finding a gas station. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 12:04:20 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 11:51:18 2024. If EVs meet your need, that's wonderful. I choose not to march in that parade. That is still okay, right? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 12:55:34 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 11:09:45 2024. That isn’t true anymore. “Renewables” are now #2 and coal is barely more than nuclear, and declining.The thing about the burden on the grid, is that the grid is constantly being expanded to accommodate population and economic growth, so this isn’t much of an issue. That and most EV charging is done overnight when the grid is less used. Power grid strain is mainly because of air conditioning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 12:55:55 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 12:04:20 2024. Yes |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:02:14 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 12:55:34 2024. You keep posting false information but never post proof. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 14 13:20:06 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 12:55:34 2024. There are big grid issues.The biggest potential sources of wind energy are Wyoming and New Mexico/north Texas. Getting that energy to California, Phoenix, Dallas, and Houston will require a lot of grid enhancement. On a lesser scale, rural NY has plenty of cheap land, not currently being used for agriculture, available for solar. But again, the consumers are some distance away. Agreed though that the strain on the grid will be caused by A/C and not by overnight charging of cars. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 14 13:24:58 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 14 11:37:00 2024. One can of course argue that coal exceeds hydro, solar, and wind individually. More to the point is that it is under 20%. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:28:45 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Fri Jun 14 13:20:06 2024. Wind turbines have a useable life expectancy of 20 to 25 years. However bearings and blades have a much shorter life expectancy and are very costly to replace. The financial efficiency of a modern wind farm is highly questionable over the life span. In otherwords the cost to produce Wind power may far exceed its value. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 13:29:16 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:02:14 2024. https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 13:49:25 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:28:45 2024. Source? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 14:10:05 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 14 13:49:25 2024. AI OverviewLearn more … Wind turbines typically have an operational lifespan of 20–25 years, but can last up to 30 years. However, individual components may need to be repaired or replaced before the end of the turbine's life due to wear and tear or reaching the end of their operational lifetime. For example, blades and bearings may need to be replaced after 10 years. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 14 14:23:24 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:28:45 2024. Wind turbines have a useable life expectancy of 20 to 25 years. However bearings and blades have a much shorter life expectancy and are very costly to replace.Just about every engineering study includes capital costs, maintenance costs and salvage value (if any) over the project's life cycle. The cost is usually reflected to present value, which means that future costs are pro-rated according to an assumed interest rate. I either evaluated or wrote many such studies during my engineering career. The financial efficiency of a modern wind farm is highly questionable over the life span. In other words the cost to produce Wind power may far exceed its value. One test of whether to build a project is to evaluate its payback time. The project is supposed to generate a savings. The question is how long do the savings need to accrue until the project's cost is exceeded. If the payback time is longer than the project's life expectancy, then don't build. Here's an analysis of a wind turbine's life cycle cost and payback time. https://todayshomeowner.com/eco-friendly/guides/how-long-does-it-take-a-wind-turbine-to-pay-for-itself/ This article's second paragraph summarizes the results. Determining the payback time of a wind turbine can be complicated. It depends on several factors, including the cost of the turbine, its power output, and the price of electricity. In the example used in this article, we calculated the payback time for a 2.6 MW turbine to be about 6 years and 7 months. The maintenance costs include your concerns regarding blade and bearing failures/replacements. A 7 year payback time is equivalent to a 10.4% return on investment. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 15:03:23 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jun 14 14:23:24 2024. That would be 6 for 6 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 14:02:31 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 13:28:45 2024. Given those numbers, "may" is way too generous. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 15:46:42 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 14:02:31 2024. Clearly the pro EVists are going to continue to disagree and throw fake studies and fake numbers out about the viability of wind farms. They ignore the the negatives - the noise, the damage to the environment, the cost to maintain and the life expectancy."US News Best Jobs states that wind turbine technicians made a median salary of $57,320 in 2022, with the top 25% earning $63,900 and the lowest 25% earning $48,6304." How long are these artificially low salaries going to last when the minimum wage is approaching $20 per hour? Wind turbines are built at a height to exploit high winds. How many workers are going to be willing to work 500 feet up in high winds over oceans or vast fields for $30 an hour. Wind turbine blades can cost up to $155,000 and last less than 10 years. that does not include the cost of transpoorting them from factory to wind farm. Finally, what ever became of the wind farm to be built off shore near martha's vinyard? Obviously they are okay for off shore development until the NIMBY's see the obama's rejecting them. But S-P says they're good so I guess they are good. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 16:03:34 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 15:46:42 2024. Speaking of $20 minimum wage, doing that in California cost that state 10,000 fast food jobs. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 16:19:47 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 16:03:34 2024. Well that's no big deal, they just need to raise the taxes to cover those displaced workers. No biggy though Governor Nuisance got it covered. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 17:05:06 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 15:46:42 2024. Wind farms have little to do with EVs. I never said anything about wind farms being good. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 17:22:01 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 17:05:06 2024. Wind farms plus solar produce steadier electricity than either alone.Wind farms are good for night-time electrical output. Some wind farms are being canceled because they are too expensive. But on land in windy areas like Wyoming and north Texas the only issue is getting the transmission lines into place. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 17:43:16 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 17:22:01 2024. That’s all well and good, but it has little to do with EVs. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 18:28:52 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 17:43:16 2024. Yes it does. Smoothing the power supply makes electricity for widespread use of EVs less expensive in the long run.In general, if the transition away from fossil fuels had no wind sources, more batteries would be needed, making the transition more expensive. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jun 15 18:46:21 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 17:22:01 2024. Here's a Reuters from a year ago that summarizes electric power generation's future.https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/n-america-wind-power-sector-needs-cost-cuts-supply-chain-revamp-maguire-2023-04-20/#:~:text=Since%20onshore%20wind%20sites%20cost,year%2Dround%20clean%20power%20potential. N.B. the major inducement will be reduced power generation costs. The current generation cost per kwh are: Known as the levelized cost of energy (LCOE) before subsidy, the current cost for a solar photovoltaic (PV) farm is estimated at 3.4 U.S. cents per kilowatt hour (kWh), according to DNV... Since onshore wind sites cost around 4.2 cents per kWh, and fixed offshore wind farms 4.84 cents per kWh, wind power looks like the most attractive option for year-round clean power potential... That compares to around 8.6 cents for a natural gas-fired plant, and more than 18 cents for a coal-fired facility. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 18:58:17 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 18:28:52 2024. You can have EVs where the extra electricity comes entirely from natural gas. It would still be more efficient than internal combustion, and natural gas is a resource the US has in abundance. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 19:00:36 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Jun 15 18:46:21 2024. Excellent. Thanks. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 19:00:58 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 18:58:17 2024. You're saying that you can have EVs without wind. I agree. Without solar too for that matter.I'm saying in the long run wind power reduces the cost of electricity, which benefits EVs. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 19:34:01 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 19:00:58 2024. My only point here is that they are two different issues and EVs have no place in an unrelated rant about wind turbines. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 20:30:56 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 19:34:01 2024. Hypocrite |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jun 15 21:16:39 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 19:34:01 2024. Agreed. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 15 22:00:01 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 16:03:34 2024. Not necessarily. They'll just pass the cost on to the consumer. Californians are used to getting hosed. After all, some places in the LA. area are getting $7 a gallon gasoline. The people out there are like cattle going to slaughter. They just pay and pay and put up with it w/o any consumer push back. God help us if Newsom ever gets to be president. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 22:15:14 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 15 22:00:01 2024. The jobs are already lost. Costs are so high that consumers went elsewhere. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 22:19:55 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 15 20:30:56 2024. Why? Because I think natural gas is better than oil and nuclear is better than all of them? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 22:21:32 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Jun 15 22:00:01 2024. No, that’s not how prices work. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 22:22:04 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jun 15 22:15:14 2024. Yes, that IS how prices work. They don’t pass it on to the consumer, they exit the market. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 16 08:52:56 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 15 22:21:32 2024. Sure it does. When (not if) congestion prices kicks in in NYC, all merchandise that comes in by truck south of 60th St. will have a surcharge on its goods to pay for the "toll" required. Those extra charges will be passed down to the consumers. Do you expect those charges to absorbed by the trucking Co or the shippers??I don't think so. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 16 08:59:32 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 16 08:52:56 2024. $15 divided by a truck-full of goods is chicken feed. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 16 09:49:20 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 16 08:59:32 2024. Sure...for one truck one time. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jun 16 10:21:15 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 16 08:59:32 2024. $15 divided by a truck-full of goods is chicken feed.The toll for trucks would have been $24 to $36, depending on size. Unlike cars, trucks would have been charged each time the 60th St cordon was crossed into the CBD, not once per day. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 16 10:42:10 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 16 08:52:56 2024. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, prices are set by what the market can bear, not what it costs to bring the good to market. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 16 11:12:14 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jun 16 10:21:15 2024. Thank You! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 16 13:54:03 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jun 16 10:21:15 2024. I see. That gets to be a lot more. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 16 14:20:32 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 16 10:42:10 2024. But in this case (goods and services delivered south of 60th street), the market can bear a price increase. If a simple plumber's visit costs $200, and all plumbers' expenses go up by $12 (say they pay a $24 congestion fee but the plumber can split the fee between two service locations on average), all plumbers will raise their fees by $12.This will cause an imperceptible reduction in demand. Competition will still keep a greedy plumber from charging $500 instead of $200. But it won't keep them from charging $212. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 17 04:39:05 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Sun Jun 16 10:21:15 2024. Pwned! Lo@lm! |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 17 08:52:33 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 12:04:20 2024. I also choose to still use kerosene for my lighting. I refuse to upgrade to natural gas lights. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Mon Jun 17 08:54:55 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 12:01:23 2024. I see in South Florida the gas is contaminated with water, something I'm always afraid of, bad gasoline. In South Florida I do remember signs about the last gas stations for xxx miles. I don't recall the milage. But I do see lots of lights and electricity though.I learned after buying an EV, that there are people out there who will put any garbage in their car until it's wrecked. I don't have this problem with electricity. My laptop never gets contaminants from the wires. PS. Gasoline is trucked. I've learned that many people don't know this. Amazing generation right? |
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