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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 11:36:12 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 02:32:16 2024.* 1. That doesn’t happen. You might be thinking about the range going down in the cold due to the heater, but that’s only because an EV doesnt generate enough waste heat like ICE, which is primarily a heater that produces motion as a minor side effect. 2. What water damage? This seems like something that would equally affect both kinds.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 11:37:41 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 11:32:49 2024.* And there are ICE cars not starting because of the cold but that doesn’t make the news.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 11:45:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 11:31:42 2024.* TBF, a Corolla is no comparasion. I'm not a big fan for as much as I like Toyota's. It's not that there's new features, it's that they're not done well. I've been talking about proper design and detail of things on this board forever.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 12:03:19 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Jan 17 11:31:42 2024.* I’ve had steering wheel controls for the radio for years. I like the self-driving if I need to adjust the GPS or something. Otherwise I prefer to drive manually.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 12:20:33 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 11:23:11 2024.* Did you ever drive a stick shift/manual transmission car?
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 12:32:39 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 12:20:33 2024.* Yes. It’s annoying.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 12:37:35 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 23:25:15 2024.* There are no services along those routes. You have to get off the highway and find a local gas station (or a Sheets) hopefully with a charging station w/o any lines. Thats where the crap shoot element comes in. In most of those remote gas stations, there is no charging stations available. Enter charging distance anxiety. Going to LI from Pittsburgh, one tank will get me to the Del water gap welcome station. Top off the tank, take a leak & I'm on the road again in about 10-15 minutes tops. Next stop, Mineola.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 12:39:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 12:32:39 2024.* To each his own. I find it fun, except in traffic. Then it gets a little rough on your left leg.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 12:46:33 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 12:37:35 2024.* Why would a gas station have or need an EV charger? Most of these are by shopping centers. But they are the same distance from the highway exit as a gas station. Why would it be a “crap shoot?” Unlike a gas station, GPS tells you where to stop for charging, the power level, and the availability/wait time. So just opened the Tesla app and scrolled along I-80 to PA and found the first one in Bloomsburg PA at 11 Ricky Avenue which is in the parking lot of some restaurant. 150 kW (admittedly not the best possible), 36¢/kwh and 6 of 8 slots available. And if I set a destination the GPS would automatically add the pit stops. There is no guess work involved. NOTE: nearly all of the horror stories that you read about EV charging are for cars other than Tesla.
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 12:47:07 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 17 10:58:21 2024.* Do they still make "Hot Start" or any other form of starting either and if so, would that work in diesel engines ??
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 13:46:14 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 12:46:33 2024.* I suggest you look up something called Buc-ee's which is bigger than your supermarkets. There are one or two other destination "gas stations" as well.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 13:50:18 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 12:39:22 2024.* My car stops and starts by itself in traffic.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 13:54:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 11:37:41 2024.* That happens below zero, not in the teens.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 14:04:25 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 13:50:18 2024.* You have a stick shift???
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 14:20:47 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 13:54:02 2024.* Someone should tell me gas car this. Battery is hesitating in the teens.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Jan 17 14:22:10 2024, in response to Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Jan 12 10:48:02 2024.* ALL EVs FAIL IN COLD WEATHER FACT
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 17 14:50:34 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 12:47:07 2024.* I had a look at the ingredients of Gumout starting fluid, and it's only 30% diethyl ether and 60% heptane (major component of gasoline), so it's not recommended for diesels.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 14:51:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 13:54:02 2024.* That doesn’t happen to an EV in the teens either.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 14:52:09 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jan 17 14:22:10 2024.* FALSE!
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Wed Jan 17 14:54:45 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 14:52:09 2024.* OK PROVE ME WRONG WITH FACTS
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 15:08:34 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 14:20:47 2024.* Put it on the phone...
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 15:13:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 14:51:04 2024.* https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/17/business/tesla-charging-chicago-cold-weather.html
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 15:17:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 14:51:04 2024.* https://www.cbsnews.com/news/teslas-electric-vehicles-cold-weather/
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 15:27:28 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed Jan 17 14:54:45 2024.* I picked up milk this morning and it was 13 degrees. It was cool hearing the ice break off the wheels with no motor sounds in the way.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 15:29:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 15:13:38 2024.* NY Times, lol. The same firm that said Israel killed more than Syria, Sudan, Yeman, or Libya has put together. rofl
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 15:30:30 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 15:17:36 2024.* CBS, the ones who ran a fake story about Bush's national guard service? lol
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 15:31:13 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 15:08:34 2024.* I tried but the tires couldn't reach the keypad from the peddles. Car doesn't know english well enough to voice dial at this time.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 17 15:32:45 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 17 14:04:25 2024.* Ain't no stickshift EVs; they're all direct drive.
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Avid Reader* on Wed Jan 17 15:37:31 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 17 10:58:21 2024.* The diesels I've owned had pre-heaters in the cylinders to assist combustion. Older ones were slower and had an indicator in the instrument cluster.
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Avid Reader* on Wed Jan 17 15:38:16 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Avid Reader on Wed Jan 17 10:58:21 2024.* The diesels I've owned had pre-heaters in the cylinders to assist combustion. Older ones were slower and had an indicator in the instrument cluster.
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 17 15:42:41 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jan 17 08:41:06 2024.* These beasts also had a Detroit Diesel 6V71 with Allison V730 trans. CIE Ireland's "KD" class double-deck city bus with Bombardier body; these ran in Ireland's major cities (Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway) from 1981 to 2000.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 16:34:36 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 15:17:36 2024.* Last time I lived in a place that had a real winter, all of the gas cars needed to be plugged in overnight to keep the block warm or they wouldn't start. I almost bought one.
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs)
Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 16:37:59 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 15:42:41 2024. Going to have to hijack this thread back. This is absolutely hilarious. MSM said this Tesla needed a tow 🥶 What model is this? https://t.co/nRuJDPPx3s pic.twitter.com/S9vO7sRbSg — Ɖ𝕓𝕝ℂ𝕒𝕡ℂ𝕣𝕚𝕞𝕡𝕚𝕟 (@dblcapcrimpin) January 16, 2024 Thanks everyone for bringing this to our attention.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Jan 17 16:55:42 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 16:34:36 2024.* låt oss åka till sverige!
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Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Train Dude* on Wed Jan 17 17:01:08 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 14:51:04 2024.* Alas, at 9:35AM today it was reported again on Fox Business that AAA reports that in 20 degree and below weather, there is a 41% decrease in range on EV batteries. Piglet says it isn't true. Who is more likely telling the truth?
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 17:13:25 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 15:13:38 2024.* Electric car cold weather fears dispelled in Norway Turns out that ICE cars are more likely to be affected by ice. An idiot running out of gas due to poor planning isn’t an indictment of gasoline-powered cars.
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Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 17:13:56 2024, in response to Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jan 17 17:01:08 2024.* How is this calculated? I saw 0% decrease. Most I've seen is 3%.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 17:14:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 16:55:42 2024.* uffda
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Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 17:16:00 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 17:13:56 2024.* Honestly, there is a decrease. Heat isn’t free. 41% is a massive exaggeration and someone must have tried to fry an egg on the heater in order to get that much of a decrease.
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Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 17:21:00 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 17:16:00 2024.* There is a difference between the new heat pump version and the old heaters. I misspoke, I meant I saw 0% to 3% just sitting overnight or for 2 nights without being used. I've never lost half of the battery "warming up" before.
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Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by AlM* on Wed Jan 17 17:21:22 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 17:16:00 2024.* Do Teslas have battery compartment heaters? It strikes me as a reasonable feature. Just keep the compartment at above freezing.
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Re: Who DO You Believe—was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 17 17:23:12 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 17:13:56 2024.* How much is Biden paying you for this anecdote-pushing?
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Re: Who DO You Believe—was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Jan 17 17:29:02 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe—was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 17 17:23:12 2024.* One million Obama-bucks. I notice the new talking point is about "anecdotes". Everytime I share an experience in any reality about cars, it's now an unimportant "anecdote" becasue we can only cite anti-semitic sources for science news now.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 17:30:16 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 15:31:13 2024.* Aaah, I see!
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Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jan 17 17:31:54 2024, in response to Re: Who DO You Believe was Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 17 17:21:22 2024.* Yes.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Catfish 44* on Wed Jan 17 17:52:10 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 17 14:51:04 2024.* But can you pop the clutch on the electric vehicle? No manual shift car I ever had the pleasure of owning has ever not started for me in any weather conditions or battery drainage condition. Of course I needed a little hill to get ‘em going !
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 18:06:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Jan 17 17:52:10 2024.* "But can you pop the clutch on the electric vehicle?" What clutch??
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Wed Jan 17 18:11:49 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 16:34:36 2024.* Yes, I know that's a thing as well
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Wed Jan 17 18:15:39 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Jan 17 16:34:36 2024.* You're talking about block heaters. Most commonly used in the upper reaches of the continent in the winter.
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jan 17 18:17:02 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jan 17 18:11:49 2024.* Can't charge any EV at an engine block heater jack. Canada's already gone crazy with stipulating all new cars sold after 2035 having to be "zero-emission" so-called. They won't have anything on the road in any season.
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