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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:44:48 2024. That happens so rarely that considering that is penny wise,pound foolish. So if I spend an extra 15 minutes stopping on a road trip, that’s a hell of a lot less than the total amount of time wasted at gas stations every single other day.And piss breaks take longer than fueling stops anyway, so that it’s even less of a time sink. Especially lunch stops; I don’t eat while driving. |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:59 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:50:07 2024. It’s “reported” but it isn’t true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:55:21 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:51:16 2024. Especially in convenience. Fuck gas stations. |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:57:52 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:59 2024. You really are quite the defender of the faith. |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:01:46 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:57:52 2024. It’s not faith, it’s experience. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:03:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:55:21 2024. I agree about gas stations. Thats why i got a hybrid with a 13 gallon tank and a range of 475-500 miles on a tank of gas. Then its 3-4 minutes to refuel and I'm gone. Time is money after all. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:05:22 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:03:32 2024. And money is money too. If I spend the same for gas as I spend on electricity, I’d have to buy a car that goes over 100 MPG.And 3-4 minutes is still longer than 0. |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:05:39 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:01:46 2024. It part of your religious dogma. My techy friend, loves his Tesla but he can admit to their obvious short comings. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:07:34 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:05:22 2024. Well you certainly sound convinced . |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:17:42 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 16 00:51:05 2024. Exactly. In some ways, EVs have merit but to say that they are better in every way means that you believe having slave children mining the rare earth materials in 3rd world nations to make the batteries is better than adults being paid to build batteries in US factories |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:17:49 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:05:39 2024. They do have shortcomings, which are far outweighed by the shortcomings of ICE.My specific response was to your 41% figure. I never said that range doesn’t decline in cold weather, it most certainly does. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:32:15 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:17:42 2024. A big supplier of lithium is Chile, which isn’t a third world country. Yes, there’s cobalt and that comes from Congo, but nothing is perfect.OTOH, oil is produced in countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela and Russia. The United States produces oil too, but it can easily survive the collapse of the oil market, and would benefit from an oil crash, those countries can’t and won’t. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:39:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:32:15 2024. Sharp left turn without signaling |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:46:12 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:22 2024. 15 munutes? Dishonest post |
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Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs) |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:47:21 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:59 2024. My fault. The report stated up to 41% of range. It is true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 10:57:28 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:46:12 2024. Honest post @250 kW. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 11:06:17 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:51:05 2024. It’s besides the cars. You are a very modern guy. And it’s not a disrespectful comment towards you so don’t be offended. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 11:08:54 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 11:06:17 2024. I’m not offended. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:21:26 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:50:07 2024. That's interesting. I left a heater running in a Tesla with no one inside for 6+ hours once, it only used almost 2% of it's battery. Much less than a gashole would use.But I guess the same source that tells me there's a such thing as a balestein would have to be true. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:22:38 2024, in response to Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 01:03:35 2024. Are these people Uber drivers or something? This doesn't happen in the rest of the world or even the artic circle. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:25:15 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 09:44:48 2024. Your question is illogicial, even if you are posing it to a moron. I just told you I drove 600 miles for 20 bucks, and I stopped less than I would to make special stops to feed a gas car it's precious fluids. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:26:09 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 14 21:46:01 2024. You don't need a charger to go 30 miles. |
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Re: Hertz Withdraws its imprisoned customers |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:28:39 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its imprisoned customers, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 15 12:51:44 2024. Going to save this post for the next time either source concocts a fake genocide story against Israel. Saving it with the post where Jeff Rosen says he doesn't understand satire.Thank you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 11:37:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:25:15 2024. Hardly illogical except to the EV devout. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jan 16 11:39:10 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jan 15 20:39:39 2024. IAWTP |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 11:42:06 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:22 2024. "So if I spend an extra 15 minutes stopping on a road trip,..."Its only 15 minutes assuming there's no line of EVs ahead of you waiting their turn. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 12:10:09 2024, in response to Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 01:03:35 2024. Reminds me of the freezing cold January morning in 1991 when Green Bus Lines RTSs were not out on the road and they had to send out the old timers to make service. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 12:21:49 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 10:03:32 2024. My Sportster has a one and three quarter gas tank!! The guys in my club with the full dressers didn't want to keep waiting for me when I stopped for gas!! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:05:46 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 12:21:49 2024. My Victory cross-country has a 6 gallon tank. Can's say I blame them. :) |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 13:38:38 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:05:46 2024. I also had an Electroglide with a 5 gallon tank but the Sportster was more fun to ride. I haven't ridden in about 8 years (except bicycles). I'm thinking of getting new tires, a battery, and having the fluids changed in the Sportster to go out again, but I think I'm getting too old. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:45:08 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 13:38:38 2024. There comes that time. Last summer was my last for riding. I've gotten too old and the bike has gotten (900lbs) too heavy. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:49:51 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 09:53:22 2024. And for that 15 minutes of charging, just how far can you go before the next 15 minute stop. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 13:53:29 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:21:26 2024. Quite the tale there. And no way to verify it too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 13:55:05 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jan 16 11:22:38 2024. Of course it doesn't because there ain't a plethora of EVs in "the rest of the world". |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 14:50:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:45:08 2024. I just hit 70 yrs old. I had my first car accident in over 20 years a year ago (last January) and got me thinking I'm not infallable and what if it was my Harley. But the Sportster 1200 isn't too heavy and I got rid of the dresser, so I'm still thinking of fixing it up, maybe just for the neighborhood like going to the store and back. Until the temperature went under 45 degrees I've been riding my bicycle (pedaling) 20 plus miles EVERY day for exercise. I bought a Jeep Wrangler thinking I can take the top down as a convertable but with a Wrangler it's a royal pain in the ass with velcro and zippers. It takes like 15 minutes so I never do it!! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Jan 16 14:50:24 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:45:08 2024. I just hit 70 yrs old. I had my first car accident in over 20 years a year ago (last January) and got me thinking I'm not infallable and what if it was my Harley. But the Sportster 1200 isn't too heavy and I got rid of the dresser, so I'm still thinking of fixing it up, maybe just for the neighborhood like going to the store and back. Until the temperature went under 45 degrees I've been riding my bicycle (pedaling) 20 plus miles EVERY day for exercise. I bought a Jeep Wrangler thinking I can take the top down as a convertable but with a Wrangler it's a royal pain in the ass with velcro and zippers. It takes like 15 minutes so I never do it!! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 15:07:50 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 11:42:06 2024. That is true. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 15:11:04 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 13:49:51 2024. About 200 miles. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 15:49:52 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 15:07:50 2024. On My last trip to LI from Pittsburgh last Thanksgiving, (I-79, I-80 appx 500 miles), EV sightings were rare. This just reinforces my opinion that for long distance travel with minimal time consuming stops, ICE cars still rule the road and will until something is done either about increasing the range on a charge coupled with an expanded infrastructure to handle charging needs, assuming that straight EV sales will take off similar to how hybrid sales have taken off. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 16 16:12:21 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 15:49:52 2024. We're talking about EVs taking over in the next 15 to 20 years.That's plenty of time for high speed charging stations, that can give you 200 miles in 10-15 minutes, to proliferate. Meanwhile, for people in S-P's situation (can charge at home, don't take long trips to obscure places), the infrastructure is already fine. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jan 16 16:14:01 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 15:11:04 2024. LOL |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 16 17:41:40 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 07:28:40 2024. There's still bugs to be worked out. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 17:46:32 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 16 17:41:40 2024. No, there aren’t.The major issue, as I’ve always been clear about, is charging locations. That’s not a “bug” though. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 19:45:20 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 16 16:12:21 2024. We're talking about EVs taking over in the next 15 to 20 yearsStop creating false scenarios. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 19:46:42 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jan 16 17:41:40 2024. Bugs? Try whole ant and termite colonies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 19:59:05 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 12:10:09 2024. What happened with the RTS buses? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 20:29:23 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 16 16:12:21 2024. Sure. If you want to put put around town, have at it.But if you want to drive long distances on the interstates (and possibly tow a camper or maybe a small U Haul) leave that to the big boys, aka ICE cars. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 21:12:47 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 19:59:05 2024. I don’t know. I suppose they wouldn’t start in the cold weather. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 16 21:34:45 2024, in response to Re: Scene at Chicago “Supercharger” (was Hertz Withdraws its EVs), posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Jan 16 21:12:47 2024. Most of them had Detroit Diesel two-stroke engines, so it had to have something to do with the fuel system I have to guess; fuel gelling in cold weather is a real problem. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 16 22:18:10 2024, in response to Re: Hertz Withdraws its EVs, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 16 20:29:23 2024. The interstates are exactly where there is fast charging infrastructure. |
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