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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 13:27:46 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 10:49:49 2023. I agree 100% |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:35:45 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:02:49 2023. And tell you what type of light bulbs to use. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:36:52 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 09:04:19 2023. Nonsense. In a capitalist society, that is decided by the marketplace. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:38:24 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:55:53 2023. There were no protests over unleaded fuel. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 13:40:19 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 24 12:53:17 2023. Leaded gas was available for a long time. I didn't get rid of my leaded gas car until 1985 and I never had any trouble buying leaded. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 13:56:31 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:39:14 2023. Paging Mr. Edward's! I answered your irrelevant questions, but you have yet to answer mine. Again, what President is descended from African slaves??? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Sep 24 14:00:45 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 13:56:31 2023. OBAMA IS NOT A EX SLAVE |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:01:47 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:38:24 2023. Yep! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 14:06:08 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Sep 24 14:00:45 2023. I agree!!! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:09:57 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:33:53 2023. The problem is that tetraethyl lead was an anti knock additive. Once the lead was gone, Detroit had to manufacture engines with lower compression ratios, thus cutting down the engine knock along with HP and torque. This was noticed in the big and sporty cars like Caddys, Lincolns, Corvetts etc. As far as complaints went, there were more complaints over those ugly 5mph bumpers more than anything else. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:19:28 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:35:45 2023. Forgot about that. I also forgot about how many beers you can have. I feel a thirst coming on right about now! I'll keep my shades down so no overzealous latter day prohibitionist can catch me!!:) |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 12:18:20 2023. That can lead to a slippery slope situation. Who decides what things are "for the good of society"? An example: In Pennsylvania, there was at one time a helmet law for motorcyclists. The masses objected and the law was repealed. Point being is that helmet laws are for the individual and not society. People now have the right to have their brains splattered amongst the pavement. Power to the people!! Your bike, your head! |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 14:28:06 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 13:56:31 2023. Probably Obama |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:29:37 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:09:57 2023. The LT6 engine in the 2023 Corvette ZO6 has a 12.5:1 compression ratio. New 333 CID naturally-aspirated small block with 670 horsepower and 460 lb-ft of torque.Loss of horsepower had nothing to do with TEL substitutes in gasoline, but in emissions controls and fuel economy after the early-70s oil crisis. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:30:32 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023. Haven't heard about any motorcycle deaths of people without helmets, of late. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:31:09 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:19:28 2023. Those things are completely different. Changing the RDA doesn’t prevent you from having all the beer you want. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 14:32:12 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023. Who decides what things are "for the good of society"?Congress and individual state legislatures, restrained by the US and state constitutions. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:32:23 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:36:52 2023. These are the flaws of the market. The market doesn’t prevent negative externalities, it encourages them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:33:15 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 13:38:24 2023. A more sensible era. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:34:21 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 13:40:19 2023. And lots of organic fuel will be available for decades if we switch to the better kind of car. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:35:12 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:55:53 2023. There were still similar environmental problems with methyl tertiary-butyl ether (MTBE). That's one reason we have so much ethanol in gasoline today. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:37:12 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:24:30 2023. So that's when the govt steps in when they feel that people have not come together to regulate themselves. Thats where the govt can overreach its authority when it comes to the peoples freedom of choice. Govt should advise and warn but not restrict, like they did when they put warnings on cigarette packs |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 14:37:29 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023. I agree. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 14:40:26 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:34:21 2023. Right. None of these environmental changes are instant mandates. There is also no way Con Edison is shutting off the gas until at least 2050, if not 2060.As a weak analogy, telephone party lines were already seriously outdated by 1960 but didn't disappear until after 2000. Coal heat for the home also took forever to disappear. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 14:41:28 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:37:12 2023. Thats where the govt can overreach its authority when it comes to the peoples freedom of choice.Sure, government overreaches its authority from time to time. And then the courts put it into its place. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:43:34 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:29:37 2023. "Loss of horsepower had nothing to do with TEL substitutes in gasoline"It certainly did. The compression ratios in early 70s cars were down to 8:1. HP on Caddys in the early 70s were less than they were on my 68 Nova (8.5). All due to lead being removed as an anti knock compound. Prior to that, compression ratios were 9;1 or better with belt HP ratings over 400. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:52:37 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 13:56:31 2023. Volodymyr Zelensky. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:54:00 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:09:57 2023. So now you’re agreeing with me? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:56:51 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023. Our representatives. Don’t like them, vote for other people.Anyway, not wearing a motorcycle helmet has fewer negative externalities than using organic fuels, or incandescent lights. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:57:27 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:30:32 2023. People who don’t wear helmets drive more carefully. This is a fact. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 15:00:02 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:37:12 2023. It’s our government, it’s how we as a people act together. You are referring to the government as some external thing.And anyway, negative externalities are still a thing. When they put those warnings on cigarettes, they weren’t thinking of second-hand smoke, they were thinking of the effects on the smoker himself. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 15:01:07 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 14:41:28 2023. The courts are part of the government and in any case are significantly less responsive to the will of the people. The usual response to unpopular legislation should be changing the government at the ballot box. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 15:05:25 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:43:34 2023. That had to do with octane numbers. And catalytic converters, which TEL destroys. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 15:52:57 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:56:51 2023. Anyway, not wearing a motorcycle helmet has fewer negative externalities than using organic fuels, or incandescent lights.True, but far from zero. We all pay each others' medical bills, one way or the other. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:10:19 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 15:01:07 2023. I'm not talking about unpopular legislation. I'm talking about legislation that excessively restricts individual freedom, which might be very popular. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 16:23:05 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:10:19 2023. Who would think such a view as popular? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:25:12 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 16:23:05 2023. Gun restrictions that wouldn't pass second amendment clearance would be very popular in NYC. |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 24 16:32:58 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Sep 18 21:04:46 2023. Dear Greta,Earth has had 5 major Ice Ages; climates change. If you weren't skipping school, you'd know that. Sincerely, History |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 16:47:32 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:33:15 2023. Well yes. We only elected Carter once. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 16:51:39 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 14:27:12 2023. I totally agree even though I would never ride without one |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:52:03 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 24 16:32:58 2023. Forest fires can be caused by lightning. Forest fires can be caused by humans.Global warming can be caused by natural forces. Global warming can be caused by humans. Etc., etc. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 16:58:05 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 24 14:30:32 2023. I have. An acquaintance moved to Carlyle PA when she and her husband.retired. she was fiercely pro helmet but one Sunday the took a short spin around town. She went without one. Sitting at a red light, a guy backed out of his driveway and hit her broadside. She fell sideways and hit her head. Died on the spot. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Sep 24 17:01:25 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:25:12 2023. Guns are good, people are bad. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:01:59 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:32:23 2023. That's a bit subjective. I switched to LED lights because it made economic sense. I didn't need legislation. Since then LED bulbs have continually fallen in price because of market forces. If it were further legislated, prices would have remained high. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:05:45 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 14:57:27 2023. Actually not so but you've never ridden a motorcycle in a helmet free state so you would have no way of judging. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:07:11 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:25:12 2023. Again, not so much. There are many law abiding citizens who would welcome the freedom of self defense. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:10:09 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Sep 18 21:04:46 2023. Greta Thunberg is a high functioning but mentally challenged individual who has become the useful idiot of the leftist climate theologians. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:14:35 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 16:52:03 2023. Forest fires can be caused by lightning. Forest fires can be caused by humans.FOREST FIRES CAN NOT BE ELIMINATED BY HUMANS Global warming can be caused by natural forces. Global warming can be caused by humans.GLOBAL WARMING CAN NOT BE PREVENTED BY HUMANS Nor can the next ice age be prevented by man |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 24 17:16:01 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:14:35 2023. Very good post. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 17:21:08 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sun Sep 24 17:14:35 2023. Just the fact that your second sentence in your second paragraph says "Global warming can be caused by humans" shows you're not a complete denier like Chicagomotorman so I withdraw my ostrich head in the sand meme. There's just differences on the solutions. I personally feel we've reached the point of no return and although I fear global warming's consequences on humanity I actually fear the threat of nuclear warfare on our descendants even more. |
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