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Re: MAGA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 23 09:37:20 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Sep 23 08:23:37 2023.

Even without the Holocaust, Nazi Germany would have still been disgusting.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 10:43:45 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 23 09:37:20 2023.

Agreed. Already in 1933 Jews were fired from government jobs. Nothing analogous would happen under another Trump regime. Which of course is why the comparisons are dangerous and need to be used extremely carefully.





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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 10:55:48 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 01:54:57 2023.

Just so you can clarify, what president did he make fun of is descended from African slaves?

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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 23 11:16:26 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 23 09:34:54 2023.

The only good fascist/communist is a dead fascist/communist.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:16:15 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 23 11:16:26 2023.

Not a nice thing to wish on Mr. Trump.



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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 12:36:48 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:16:15 2023.

But saying that about him doesn't make it true

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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 23 12:38:50 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:16:15 2023.

DONALD TRUMP IS NEITHER!

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Re: MAGA

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:47:27 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 12:36:48 2023.

IAWTP.

However, Trump has engaged in certain indisputably fascist style statements. Such as his proposals for executive orders abrogating parts of the 14th Amendment.



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Re: MAGA

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 12:50:39 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:47:27 2023.

People are taking advantage of it.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 23 13:36:56 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:47:27 2023.

And his proposals for setting aside the results of an election notwithstanding his having lost it.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 23 14:23:35 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 10:43:45 2023.

This time, if P01135809 gets elected, it's political standing that's going to become the determining factor, not necessarily religion.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 15:04:25 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 12:50:39 2023.

Mussolini's fascist actions also addressed actual grievances of the people. No less fascist for that.



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Re: MAGA

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 15:11:36 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 15:04:25 2023.

???

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 23 17:10:24 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by bingbong on Sat Sep 23 14:23:35 2023.

I will not only support him but contribute to his campoaign if you pledge to keep your promise this time and make America a better place by going to Canada.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 18:35:47 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 23 11:16:26 2023.

So...
Why are You still Alive?

Don't know what's worst..

A Wasp pretending to be a "jew",or a WASPNAZI pretending to be outraged over his "Jewish heritage".

Don't you know, that "traditional Jews" are "liberal", Factually, Due to Wasp labeling Them "liberals as a racist slur",and attacking Them because of it?

Given the History of the Jewish people in the United States, and the bigotry They have faced from WASP, I'm calling you a liar!

I'm also calling you out!

Show me where I am wrong, about You, and Your so called "history"!



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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 18:37:55 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Sep 23 11:16:26 2023.

So...
Why are You still Alive?

Don't know what's worst..

A Wasp pretending to be a "jew",or a WASPNAZI pretending to be outraged over his "Jewish heritage".

Don't you know, that "traditional Jews" are "liberal", Factually, Due to Wasp labeling Them "liberals as a racist slur",and attacking Them because of it?

Given the History of the Jewish people in the United States, and the bigotry They have faced from WASP, I'm calling you a liar!

I'm also calling you out!

Show me where I am wrong, about You, and Your so called "history"!



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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 18:40:09 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 23 09:36:01 2023.

Heh.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:25:50 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by mtk52983 on Sat Sep 23 08:23:37 2023.

True.
However, he could do Nothing as President, if he did have a support system.

He could do Nothing, if he didn't have others giving him a pass, like the other Terrible people who have governed.

The Reality of our democracy is the ability to work with each other To Govern.

When you have a group within government, working to undermine it to the Detriment Of the People, And it's Principles, then we Are in A War of ideals.

Fascism has Always been TOP HEAVY.
THE PEOPLE BECOME SERVANTS OF THE RULING BODY, FEEDING OFF THE SCRAPS IT'S GIVEN.
This Is the Republican party, in a nut shell, with it's "trickle Down economic policy" where as the People who are spending their entire lives making Others Wealthy, are given crumbs in comparison.

Trump Is part of That circle, and his goal is to bring the nation under his heal,making Corporate Policy>American policy.

He has broken Laws, before, during And After his term in office.. And is seeking another chance to continue his War on the American people.

Trump and company, aren't the first, and certainly won't be the last to embrace such demigogery.. But America was built on the backs of its people. No one has the right to be angrier With government than the "indentured servitude" fostered on it's people, in order to survive,Or the system that has hurt more people than it has helped.

America has Always extracted a high price on it's people, with little graditute in return.

America Loves and HATES it's people, and is Always willing to sacrifice "for the good of the union".
To this day nobody wants to admit that over 1 million people Died in the United States of America, due to the incompetence of Donald Trump and his administration mishandling of Covid19.
Even after He himself fell victim to the illness, Every effort was made available to Him, that Wasn't to the American people.

He Doesn't want to see people who were hurt in the service of this country.
He doesn't respect the Armed Forces Any of them.
He doesn't respect the Flag he whines about loving so much.

Trump loves One thing, and One person.
Himself.



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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:28:35 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 23 08:45:51 2023.

👀👀😏

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:34:37 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 23 02:41:37 2023.

Isn't That something...

You, the Resident Bigot, calling someone "racist".

In addition, did the *Francis Trop*, by Indirectly threatening me with Physical harm.. Apples don't fall far from the tree, it seems.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:39:14 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 10:55:48 2023.

Just to clarify,
Exactly how many drug dealers did You rob again?
Exactly how many "perps" did you "tune up" again?

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:42:22 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Train Dude on Sat Sep 23 17:10:24 2023.

👀👀😏.

Doesn't get better than this.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 23 19:46:21 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:34:37 2023.

You are the resident racist.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 23 19:50:03 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Sep 23 09:36:01 2023.

Yes.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 23 20:12:33 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 12:16:15 2023.

I don't recall seeing Mr Trump's name mentioned in his post.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 23 20:22:18 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sat Sep 23 20:12:33 2023.

He mentioned him twice.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Sep 23 21:21:09 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 23 19:39:14 2023.

Zero and zero. Asked and answered, even though your question has nothing to do with the topic at hand, so....which president is descended from African slaves?

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 24 01:10:14 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 23 19:46:21 2023.

Prove it.

Believe me.

I have EVERY SINGLE THING, EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE YOU CALLED ME "Nigger", saved on file.

Every single time.
You know what invalidates you?
The very idea that You call yourself "a jew", yet you align yourself with the very people who would gladly send You to your death because of Your declaration.

You hate.. the very people who made it possible for You and "your kind" to be accepted, in a country where the very people who set up This system of government wants to See Blood sheading... Especially to those who do Not look like Them.

You support The Very people who would not hesitate to kill you, me, and any other "person" they think of as "3 quarters of a man".

You are the True Self Hater, who sides with the very Enemy of Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.. To protect his own ass.

THIS, and so much more, are the VERY REASONS WHY I DESPISE YOU SO MUCH.

YOU lack Honor.
You lack conviction.

You blow with the winds of favorism..
Pandering for approval from the wretched.
This makes YOU EVIL. YOU BASTARD.

There is Nothing Good within You to "sympathize with", other than celebration of Any and every calamity that falls upon you.

You have embraced Your Nature in full.

You are A Devil in Paleskin.


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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 24 01:20:36 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sat Sep 23 02:41:37 2023.

Are You vollentering?

Hmm, I've received threats from just about every MAGGOTMAGA mascot here, now.
I'll tell You the same thing I told Francis.

I have "an Application" for just about every "issue , which will be applied and utilized to the very best of" Our abilities ", when called upon.

Remember, every action has a Equal or Better, Reaction.
Every Debt Must be paid in Full.

Are You willing to" pay that debt"?

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 24 01:26:58 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 22 10:17:18 2023.

Absolutely.
He comes off as a fat Ass dullard, who has taken far too many drugs.
When he has spoken, without the APPARENT DRUG USE, He still comes off like a lying fat bastion of overfed lardass. In love with his own voice so much, you can't get him to shut up.

Even his own lawyers, can't keep him quiet.

That's the Only good thing I see.. He loves to tell on himself.
Arrogant clown show.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 24 01:39:22 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by chicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 22 08:39:22 2023.

Oh sure.
Nothing like putting your faith in a drug abusing, fat ass, whining 4 times indicted, twice impeached, 91 fellony charges, soon to be disqualified from running for Any public office ever again, dried up prune faced rapist old man.

This man is the very uppitomy of what Not to be followed, imitated, or listened to.. Unless You want to go to prison.

Go on, Cultist.
You follow him.

Common Sense People, who Can THINK FOR THEMSELVES, don't need "Great Leader" to tell Us " don't believe what Your Lying Eyes are telling you".

At least Sleepy Grandpa knows where his bread is buttered.. While the Old Junkie thinks He Is the Butter For the Bread!



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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 24 04:36:43 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Edwards! on Sun Sep 24 01:20:36 2023.

There is no debt.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:02:49 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 23 15:04:25 2023.

The true communists/fascists in our country are the ones that want to tell you what car to drive, how to cook your food, how to heat- A/C your house etc. In other words, strip from you the right of freedom of choice and exercise total control.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 09:04:19 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:02:49 2023.

All of those things are valid things for OUR elected government to decide.

And fascists and communists are not the same thing.

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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 09:07:05 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:02:49 2023.

So you are opposed to limited government regulation of the economy?

Gas stoves aren't as dangerous as leaded gasoline was. But outlawing them by 2050 or so is not really such an outrageous thing. Do you think that leaded gasoline should still be allowed?




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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:38:26 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 09:07:05 2023.

You keep bringing up leaded gas. Thats a poor analogy. The use of Leaded or unleaded gas has nothing to do with controlling my life's choices. Its not "regulation of the economy" I speak of, its the govt having direct control or regulation of everyday life like in the examples I mentioned. Freedom of choice should not be conflated with regulation of the economy

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 10:24:36 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:38:26 2023.

How is it not the same thing? Government banned the use of a specific kind of fuel for new vehicles. Plenty of people opposed this, thinking that new cars would perform more poorly as a result.

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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 10:34:23 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 09:38:26 2023.

OK, you don't like leaded gasoline as an example. How about:

- auto emissions standards
- auto efficiency standards
- oil refinery emissions standards
- municipal electrical codes - your liberty is being restricted by your being forced to have a GFI electric circuit in your bathroom
- ban on burning on #6 heating oil
- air bags




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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 10:49:49 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 10:34:23 2023.

As a libertarian I feel each one should be a choice. The government should have no right to tell me I have to wear a seat belt in my car or a helmet on my motorcycle if I don't want to.

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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 10:50:30 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 10:49:49 2023.

Is your name Alm?

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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 11:08:19 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Sep 24 10:49:49 2023.

But those mostly aren't my examples. My examples are mostly, not all, regulation for the good of society.



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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:41:58 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 10:34:23 2023.

You speak of the good of society. I speak of the good and liberties of the individual.

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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:55:53 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 10:24:36 2023.

I was an entry level driver back then in NYC. I don't remember any protests or demonstrations against the ban. As a matter of fact most drivers welcomed the ban. Unleaded gas extended the life of spark plugs and exhaust components. Most didn't know or care about any environmental benefits of unleaded gas.

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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 12:18:20 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:41:58 2023.

Do you not believe that the individual has to give up some things for the good of society? In a carefully regulated way, of course, such as guided by the US Constitution.



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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:24:30 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 24 11:08:19 2023.

All of the ones you cited are examples where individual usage leads to negative externalities that harm others. The hallmark of a civilized society is where the people come together to regulate themselves.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:27:36 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:41:58 2023.

My liberties, and those of others, are harmed by others’ negative externalities.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:29:08 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:55:53 2023.

You didn’t have Fox News back then to rile people up.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 24 12:30:47 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 24 11:55:53 2023.

If I remember correctly, it came on the heels of gas shortages, so we felt we were lucky to get any kind of gas 🤷🏽

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:33:53 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 24 12:30:47 2023.

And if you really think that unleaded gas was welcomed for making cars easier to maintain, then logically you should welcome the car that requires less maintenance and whose fuel is significantly cheaper.

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Re: MAGA

Posted by Fred G on Sun Sep 24 12:53:17 2023, in response to Re: MAGA, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 24 12:33:53 2023.

Some people had to add some no knock to their gas when they filled up. They were a bit disgruntled. But hey, we had to get the lead out!


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