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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 11:38:49 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 10:47:39 2023.

This.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 14:01:44 2023, in response to Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 8 19:50:23 2023.

Seen on Twitter:

“Innocent people spend their time proving their innocence. Guilty people spend their time trying to prove that the people prosecuting them are guilty.”

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:03:44 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 11 09:38:19 2023.

LOL, there is no "Trump GOP".

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:05:13 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 09:22:51 2023.

Ford pardoned Nixon before any conviction

Before any attempt at indictment.

Nixon's problem is that he didn't listen to Reagan and indulged the left. For example, he created Amtrak instead of deregulating the railroads . . .

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:10:37 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 10:22:25 2023.

Nobody deserves to be dragged to court over false charges.

And having a verdict declared in absentia is a violation of the privilege of habeas corpus, something that judges in this country have been violating already.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 14:13:14 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:10:37 2023.

Seek help

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:13:30 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 08:37:58 2023.

So the Republicans are all running on the idea that if elected president their first act would be to kill the whole lot of us, and burn our towns to cinders

You claiming the GOP is Black Lives Matter and Antifa now, who have actually done that? LOL, what a nazi you are.

or do they know that Trump is actually guilty?

Of what, Nazi? None of the federal "charges" cite the Presidential Records Act; they all cite acts that are not crimes.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 14:13:57 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 10 19:00:24 2023.

??? What are you talking about?

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 14:20:15 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:13:30 2023.

God damn you’re stupid.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:24:13 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 11:18:39 2023.

Goldwater was never a "hardliner", whatever that might mean. He revealed his true self later in life; a liberal RINO. And in case you were wondering, his book The Conscience of a Conservative was ghostwritten by an actual conservative, L. Brent Bozell Jr.

Liberal historian Jon Meacham said back in 2020 that if (pre-2011) Fox News were around during Watergate, Nixon "could well have survived" the left-wing propaganda.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 14:41:12 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 11 14:24:13 2023.

He was a “hardliner” by the standards of those halcyon days before the Republican Party was besotted by an intractable cult of personality, and before it had lost all semblance of honor.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 11 15:23:32 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 11:38:21 2023.

And again, accepting a pardon, whether before or after conviction, is an admission of guilty. A person is thus “proven guilty” by accepting a pardon.

And again, accepting a pardon, whether before or after conviction, is an admission being or about to be railroaded. A person is thus " proven not guilty” by accepting a pardon of a corrupt justice system.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 15:26:55 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jun 11 15:23:32 2023.

If the justice system is corrupt, then the president can clean house at the justice department. Did you not read the rest of my post?

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 15:27:32 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 15:26:55 2023.

Sorry for the typo, I meant “were corrupt.”

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 11 15:47:04 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 09:22:24 2023.

They know Trump is guilty but can't afford to say so.

More like they're aware, but scared to get him mad at them

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 15:49:06 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 14:13:57 2023.

??? What are you talking about?

You say the MSM has never reported on former presidents mishandling important classified information; implying that non-MSM sources have. So what are the non-MSM sources that have told you that former Presidents mishandled classified information as seriously as Trump has done?


Here's the sequence:

AM: So do you not believe that Trump took documents to Mar-a-Lago describing our nuclear weapons program, and our military plans for defense against attack.

BB: Yes I do. Do I believe others have as well? Yes.

AM: Yes, people like Sandy Berger and David Petraeus. They got convicted of crimes.

BB: I'm talking POTUS

AM: No other former POTUS has ever taken nuclear secrets or major defense secrets to his personal premises. No other former POTUS has ever taken any classified information to his personal premises deliberately.

BB: That the MSM reported...

AM: Fox hasn't reported anything of that sort either. Are you getting your information from Newsmax, or who else?

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 15:51:30 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 11 15:47:04 2023.

That's exactly what I mean. They can't afford to say he's guilty, because that would get him mad, and that would hurt or kill their careers.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:08:39 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 11:38:21 2023.

You really don’t understand what that phrase means and how it’s applied. It’s what’s called a “legal fiction.”

Legal fiction?? Never heard that watching Perry Mason.

"A person is thus “proven guilty” by accepting a pardon."

So that means that Nixon was "proven guilty" of whatever he was to be charged with by accepting Ford's pardon??

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:28:56 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 10 17:23:30 2023.

An indictment is not a trial. Any "factual accuracy" needs to presented and judged in open court.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:34:44 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 10:47:39 2023.

Opinion. Besides, whats so unusual about that? Let him be found guilty first. The pardon route is a possibility in any and all cases.
Happens every year to a lucky few around Christmas IIRC.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 11 17:42:12 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:08:39 2023.

Yes. Innocent people dont get pardoned. Acquitted or exonerated, sure

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:59:05 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 11 17:42:12 2023.

Right. If there innocent, theres nothing to be pardoned for.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 17:59:16 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 11 17:42:12 2023.

IAWTP

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 18:01:24 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:59:05 2023.

They could have been railroaded.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 18:02:44 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:28:56 2023.

No, it doesn’t. It’s still true or not regardless of whatever eventually happens at trial. Objective reality exists whether or not a judge says so.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 18:04:01 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jun 11 17:34:44 2023.

Because it’s not necessary if Trump were actually innocent. Then he’d be found to be so by a jury of his peers.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jun 11 18:12:06 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 18:04:01 2023.

Or in this case since it is “randomly” before Judge “Loose” Cannon, I would opt for a bench trial

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 18:37:06 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Jun 11 18:12:06 2023.

Yeah. If the prosecution can't force her recusal, Trump gets a free pass.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 20:21:43 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 15:49:06 2023.

My whole point was the Newsmax comment. I don't watch Newsmax

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 20:28:27 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 20:21:43 2023.

I said Newsmax or who else?

So if not Newsmax, where did you get this really weird allegation from?

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 11 20:58:42 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 20:28:27 2023.

Why do you need to speculate about where he or anyone else gets his news? It's only a socialist gimmick to devalue someone's opinion. You are just a pinko bitch.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 21:09:52 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 20:28:27 2023.

What's weird about it? The MSM always protected Presidents to some extant, before Trump.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 11 21:12:35 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 21:09:52 2023.

AlM-pb

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by WayneJay on Sun Jun 11 21:24:35 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by AlM on Sun Jun 11 15:51:30 2023.

Agreed! They're fine until they're not. Of course falling in line behind their leader is the safest way for them to avoid being a target of his bitching.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 21:43:16 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 21:09:52 2023.

No, they didn’t.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 21:57:05 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 11 21:43:16 2023.

To some extant, I said. Kennedy, anyone?

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 12 01:01:20 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jun 11 21:57:05 2023.

Um, President Kennedy most definitely did NOT take classified materials to his private premises after the end of his presidency.

And you still haven't said where you got this stuff from.

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Re: Pardon me?

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 12 01:17:39 2023, in response to Re: Pardon me?, posted by Fred G on Sun Jun 11 17:42:12 2023.

Innocent people dont get pardoned

LOL!

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 12 11:39:03 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 12 01:01:20 2023.

He's SSBILL. His sources are classified 😂

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 12:44:18 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 12 11:39:03 2023.

Ha ha, that endless variation on "I know a guy".

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:11:43 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 12 01:01:20 2023.

You know what I meant by the MSM protecting Kennedy.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:12:16 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Jun 12 11:39:03 2023.

Use the joke when it's relevant or funny.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:13:12 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 12:44:18 2023.

Either you know a guy, or you are the guy. Or retired.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by AlM on Mon Jun 12 13:28:21 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:11:43 2023.

You still haven't given any source for your claim that POTUSes before Trump took highly sensitive information home with them when their term was over.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 13:32:14 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:13:12 2023.

I know what a bullshit artist is. 😀

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 13:32:54 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:12:16 2023.

It’s always relevant and it’s always funny 😆

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:34:03 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by AlM on Mon Jun 12 13:28:21 2023.

I believe he was still POTUS when he did. It was wrong of him to do so.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:34:50 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 13:32:54 2023.

But then again, look who I'm dealing with.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:35:42 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 13:32:14 2023.

The irony of that statement rings louder than church bells.

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Re: Federal indictment

Posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 12 13:54:58 2023, in response to Re: Federal indictment, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Jun 12 13:34:50 2023.

Likewise, bro, likewise.

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