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Buying A Green New Car
Posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:46:51 2022 I went to buy a new hybrid car this week. This was the dealers offer: MSRP. XXXXX.XX Base selling price +$1600 Retro: $1615 Dealer Defined fees $212.50 Sales tax XXXX.XX Tire management fee $12.50 Est DMV fees $249.00 So the dealer was asking more than $3400 above the MSRP for a vehicle that in a few weeks will be last years model.
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Thu Aug 18 21:58:35 2022, in response to Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:46:51 2022.* Tire management WHAT???
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Posted by Train Dude* on Thu Aug 18 22:10:45 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 18 21:58:35 2022.* That's what the paperwork said. They ultimately made a more reasonable offer "if I'd pay the first month finance fee up front." Laughable since I intended to pay cash.
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Posted by Elkeeper* on Thu Aug 18 22:44:28 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 22:10:45 2022.* So, how much did they knock off for paying cash?
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Thu Aug 18 23:13:46 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 18 22:44:28 2022.* From what I understand the dealer makes more money when someone buys on credit so I doubt they'd give a discount for cash.
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Posted by bingbong* on Fri Aug 19 00:24:42 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Aug 18 23:13:46 2022.* The tire fee is not negotiable. I paid the same when I got my RAV4. It's an environmental thing, tire fire pollution and all…everyone should support it. Sales tax on a car(I bought mine in Schenectady County, where it's 4%) is what it is. (Red-states love sales tax, they charge it on food.) Still runs up the bill. I paid cash, and told the dealer up front I planned to. It's a little different when you're retired. I got the deal I sought, yet the "hidden charges" did jack the bill to the limits. So I understand what he's getting at, but disagree about his complaint, all of it being simple reality. Just pay the bill, you'll get it back over time with 40+ mpg.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Aug 19 00:59:51 2022, in response to Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:46:51 2022.* I remember when the phrase "green new car" just meant you were buying a new car that was painted green.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Aug 19 07:30:18 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 18 22:44:28 2022.* They didn't. They wanted me to take a loan so they could get their commission from the lender and then they said that I could pay it off in 3 months.
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn* on Fri Aug 19 08:38:04 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 18 21:58:35 2022.* It is a NY State fee: If you operate a tire service, including an automobile dealership or an auto repair shop, you must collect the $2.50 per tire fee on most new tires sold at retail. You must remit $2.25 for each tire sold when you file the waste tire management fee return. You keep 25 cents from each tire sold to cover your administrative costs. https://www.tax.ny.gov/bus/tire/wtm.htm#:~:text=The%20Environmental%20Conservation%20Law%20imposes,extended%20through%20December%2031%2C%202022.
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn* on Fri Aug 19 08:38:49 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Aug 18 23:13:46 2022.* He gets $0.25 for each tire off the NY State tire managment fee
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Aug 19 10:11:36 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Aug 19 08:38:04 2022.* So then, they were even charging me for the spare.
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn* on Fri Aug 19 15:46:19 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 19 10:11:36 2022.* Hope it was a full tire, not a donut. Imagine $2.50 for half a tire. Thank you for your forced participation in tree hugging.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Aug 19 16:07:03 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Aug 19 15:46:19 2022.* You would think that a dealer would eat the $12.50 on a deal where they are asking $4-6 thousand over the MSRP.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Fri Aug 19 16:50:47 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Fri Aug 19 08:38:04 2022.* What a crock of shit I always take my old tires with me and dump them at a DSNY recycling facility.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 19 16:57:22 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Aug 19 16:50:47 2022.* Recycling is a sham.
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Posted by pragmatist* on Fri Aug 19 17:45:57 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 19 16:57:22 2022.* depends on the commodity- it is extremely effective for lead acid car batteries.
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Posted by rkba* on Fri Aug 19 20:20:23 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 19 00:59:51 2022.* I love my green car. it's diesel, has all emissions bullshit deleted, and most importantly: it's GREEN!
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Posted by rkba* on Fri Aug 19 20:23:14 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Fri Aug 19 07:30:18 2022.* all the money is made on financing with these places.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 19 21:10:40 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 19 17:45:57 2022.* Metal recycling is good too. But a lot of residential recycling is just virtue signaling.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Aug 19 21:27:44 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 19 21:10:40 2022.* Plastic often is. But paper isn't. NYC spends a lot less disposing of a ton of paper than disposing of a ton of regular trash, because people pay them for the paper.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 19 22:09:53 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 19 21:27:44 2022.* But paper isn’t as much of a problem if it’s released to the environment. Otherwise useless paper straws don’t get stuck in the noses of tortoises.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Sat Aug 20 23:25:57 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 19 00:59:51 2022.* My one and only green car: 2000 Buick Regal LS. Taken at my father's house (the car in front was his car, 1998 Regal). That was taken on the day that we attended a baseball game for the final time. Marlins were hosting the World Champion ~~Los Angeles California~~ Anaheim ~~Los Angeles of Anaheim~~ Angels. Marlins were off to their usual poor start, had no idea that they would eventually replace the Angels as World Champions. At that time, Jack McKeon had replac ed (I think) Jeff Torborg as manager. I think Dontrelle Willis and Miguel Cabreara had been called up, but neither played in that game. That remains the only interleague game I've ever attended in person.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 21 01:37:41 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Aug 20 23:25:57 2022.* Not bad. Looks roomy. Had a green 71 VW Beetle, briefly. Couldn't pass inspection due to too much underbody rust.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 21 01:38:24 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by rkba on Fri Aug 19 20:20:23 2022.* Green and brown are two car colors that need to make a comeback.
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Sun Aug 21 09:18:20 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 01:37:41 2022.* It was OK. The last 2 years, it became a "shop queen" 😐
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Aug 21 09:19:50 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 01:37:41 2022.* It couldn’t pass inspection in NYS?
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Sun Aug 21 09:24:01 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 01:38:24 2022.* Interesting that you would say that. I already posted about my green car, my mother had 2 brown cars back in the day. 1977 Toyota Celica ST Coupe: 1979 Toyota Celica GT Liftback:
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Aug 21 09:28:03 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:01 2022.* I like that ‘77. I’m sure they were both fun to drive though.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Aug 21 10:18:10 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 01:38:24 2022.* I was looking for Chocolate brown with gold interior. Not to be found in the car model I wanted.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Aug 21 11:55:51 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Sun Aug 21 10:18:10 2022.* It’s got to be 35-40 years since that was a possibility.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 21 13:11:00 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:01 2022.* They should have put V8s in those Mustang-lookalike Celicas. JMHO of course.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 21 13:11:41 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 21 09:19:50 2022.* NJS.
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Posted by rkba* on Sun Aug 21 19:38:21 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 01:38:24 2022.* I miss brown cars. I also miss the days where you could get a non-black interior on most cars. when shopping for a used jetta sportwagen it took me a while to find one with the cornsilk interior. much classier than just all-black.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Aug 21 21:11:59 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 13:11:41 2022.* That makes sense.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Mon Aug 22 21:03:37 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Aug 21 11:55:51 2022.* Well it's settled. My new green car will be phantom black.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 22 21:12:42 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 22 21:03:37 2022.* I see an Abbott and Costello routine lurking in that statement . . .
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Tue Aug 23 09:20:12 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 22 21:03:37 2022.* If I had a nice maroon interior then that’s not bad.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Aug 23 10:23:17 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Aug 23 09:20:12 2022.* If only
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Posted by BLE-NIMX* on Tue Aug 23 11:47:46 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 19 00:59:51 2022.* Speaking of Fords they really look like a piss poor choice for a new car, either gas or electric. They jacked up EVs likely knowing the consumer is getting the 7500 credit to go battery. Worse than the lawsuit going through the works over a fatality involving an older F150 rollover is the FORD TSB involving the hybrid Mavericks with engine oil leaks. Their fix was to drill vent and drain holes in hood and underbody shields to force air into the leaks and reroute the drips away from the exhausts which were resulting in major car fires. Probably something labor intensive and pricey like a rear main seal they won't fix unless car is off warranty and customer is a sucker. At least this should get fixed eventually as the anti pollution EPA will cry louder over oil dripping into the streets and sewers than NTSB would for a car driver busting into flames
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 23 11:52:15 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 23 11:47:46 2022.* I think the Mustang Mach E is cool and a worthy competitor for the Tesla Model Y.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Tue Aug 23 11:59:16 2022, in response to Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:46:51 2022.* Fuck it, get another Harley!!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Aug 23 14:00:09 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 23 11:59:16 2022.* I've never owned a Harley but the fact is that my Victory Cross Country weighs in at over 900 Lbs and is just too heavy for my old bones. This year will be the last year for us.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Tue Aug 23 14:10:13 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Tue Aug 23 14:00:09 2022.* I got rid of my full dresser but have a 2001 Sportster in my garage that I haven't ridden in 8 years. I'm thinking of getting new tires and a battery for it but I'm wondering if it's a good idea at 69 years old. I do ride a bicycle 20 miles (2 hours at 10 mph) every day.
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Posted by Jeff Rosen* on Tue Aug 23 14:18:47 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 22 21:03:37 2022.* As far as color is concerned most of you know I work as a background extra and if they use our car in a scene (Mostly as a parked car on the street) they pay us an extra $37.50 and we get a free parking spot, otherwise I take the train. And I get more jobs that way as most background people live in Manhattan and have no cars. But they never use a white or red car and very rarely use an SUV. Check it out when you watch TV, you won't see any red or white cars parked on the street and very few SUV's. So when I buy my next new car it won't be white or red and will be a sedan. I really want a convertible but with the exception of the Mini Cooper and the VW New Beetle they're very expensive. The Mini is too small and I'll never buy Hitler's Jeep, the Beetle. I have a Jeep Wrangler which is convertible but with the removable windows and the zippers and velcro it takes a half hour to take the top down or put in babk!!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Aug 23 14:32:18 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 23 14:10:13 2022.* I'm a bit older but I'm lookin for an 1100 Shadow. At about 500 Lbs, I can still handle it.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Tue Aug 23 14:33:09 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 23 14:18:47 2022.* Interesting
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 23 14:33:30 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Aug 23 14:18:47 2022.* Why is that about the car colors?
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Aug 24 08:58:32 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Aug 23 11:47:46 2022.* The Mach E is the most amazing car I've ever driven to date. GOod thing they build them in Mexico and not in the US like that hated company Tesla does.
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Wed Aug 24 09:00:10 2022, in response to Buying A Green New Car, posted by Train Dude on Thu Aug 18 21:46:51 2022.* I was looking at some cars on Carvana, and it was interesting to note that a car with 300 miles or more costs several thousand more than a new car if you can get one on a wait list from a dealer. I have a used car, the offers on it went up 50% in the past 4 months, now worth more than when I bought it. Bidens economy is cool.
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Re: Buying A Green New Car part II
Posted by Train Dude* on Fri Aug 26 16:36:14 2022, in response to Re: Buying A Green New Car, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Wed Aug 24 09:00:10 2022.* So a friend recommended a guy in Brooklyn who primarily deals with auto leasing. Spoke to him last Thursday. He asked what car I was interested in and what trim level & color. He told Mr that he'd call me Monday. He called and found my hybrid, trim level I wanted and my 2nd choice of color. $1500 less than the dealer quoted. He got the plates. Arranged the insurance through my broker and delivered the car to Mt driveway last evening. That's how to buy a car BTW, I agree about biden and his economy. May he live the rest of his life in unbearable pain.
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