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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:52:38 2022 I speak of shortages. I have some digestive issues & I was scheduled for a lower abdomen CT scan with contrast this coming Wednesday. Today I get a call from my MD saying that the contrast aspect of your test cannot happen b/c a nationwide shortage off the contrast dye.She suggested that a CT scan can happen but subjecting me to all that radiation without the contrast could result in an inconclusive test. Naturally I backed off so they want to treat me as if I had diverticulitis. Doing a little research, I find out that indeed there is a natiowide shortage of the contrast dye needed for such tests. Amazing! What next? I wonder if the dye comes from China? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 16 21:58:27 2022, in response to Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:52:38 2022. Yes. Shanghai, in fact, where the insane lockdowns are occurring. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:06:38 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 16 21:58:27 2022. Is that right? I just threw that out there.Damn! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 16 22:40:37 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 22:06:38 2022. First result for "where is contrast dye made" on Google says that.From yesterday's Allentown Morning Call. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 22:54:50 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 16 21:58:27 2022. Traitor was right when he wanted to bring manufacturing back to the US, but he was too incompetent to actually succeed. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 01:24:25 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 22:54:50 2022. Well your hatred at this point blinds you. We have a current president now. And the current one has been a failure on every level. Responsibility is now his, he's in for a year and a half.Your so blinded by hatred of the former president that you can not see the bad water the current president has sent us....every time anything comes up, the excuse is "well trump". No, Biden is allegedly in charge now |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 07:04:45 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 01:24:25 2022. What does Biden have to do with lockdowns in China? Do you think he’s responsible for that? Jeez, your hatred blinds you. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 09:04:33 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 01:24:25 2022. I didn't say it was, but how the fuck is it Trump's? |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 09:57:22 2022, in response to Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:52:38 2022. Credit your current problem to your libertarian belief and your downplaying Covid's associated risks.If the worst comes to pass and a malignancy wasn't caught in time, I won't wonder whether you died with or from Covid. I wish you well and hope that supply chain problems won't prevent a complete and speedy recovery. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 10:22:03 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 07:04:45 2022. But Trump. Time to move on |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:34:31 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 09:04:33 2022. Trump wanted to move manufacturing back to the US. That was relevant to bring up. But you’re so blinded by your hatred of Biden and love for Trump that whenever Trump is mentioned you perk up. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:35:05 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 09:57:22 2022. Fuck you. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 10:37:57 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 09:57:22 2022. "Credit your current problem to your libertarian belief and your downplaying Covid's associated risks."What the hell does that have to do with the contrast dyes shortage?? And what does anyones political philosophy have to do with the Chinese lockdowns? "...I won't wonder whether you died with or from Covid." Phew!! I'm relieved!! "I wish you well and hope that supply chain problems won't prevent a complete and speedy recovery." Well for that I will thank you! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 10:53:43 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:34:31 2022. I don't have a love for trump. But I do have a hatred for anyone, president or not that fucks me in the wallet. So let's go Brandon |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 10:54:07 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 09:57:22 2022. Oh give it a rest |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:54:23 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 10:53:43 2022. You’re not 8. Just say “Fuck Joe Biden.” |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue May 17 11:38:24 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:54:23 2022. Let's go Brandon. I can say it however I want. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:48:35 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:35:05 2022. IAWTP |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 11:49:37 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 09:57:22 2022.  |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 11:59:54 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 10:22:03 2022. Yes, and they're the first to cry "whataboutism" too.Just saw an interesting thing on another website: "The Democrats promise the Jetsons, but deliver the Flintstones." |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 12:49:49 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 10:37:57 2022. What the hell does that have to do with the contrast dyes shortage?? And what does anyones political philosophy have to do with the Chinese lockdowns?Let me connect the dots. An opportunity to contain or eliminate Covid was missed when the number of cases was in the hundreds or thousands, as was done with SARS-1, MERS, Ebola and many other infectious dieases. This was possible even in the absence of vaccines, therapeutics, tests, etc. Strict quarantines of those infected, distance and masking requirements for those not infected, contact tracing, etc. are the time tested method when neither vaccines nor therapeutics are available. These procedures involve the temporary sacrifice of individual liberties to which libertarians objected. The libertarians held sway raising alternate facts like herd immunity, unsubstantiated claims for repurposed drugs, downplaying Covid's seriousness, splitting hairs like dying "with" rather than "from" Covid, etc. The libertarians objected to any interference to their perceived freedom regardless how innocuous. It should be a parental decision and not the govt... they [parents] should decide weather or not they should wear masks The predictable result is that Covid has remained out of control to this day. Some totalitarian countries, like China, are immune from libertarian pressures and have adopted a zero Covid policy. This policy is designed to save lives, rather than the economy. They have been successful in containing it. Unfortunately, Covid has evolved over the last couple of years to be far more contagious. It takes only a single contact to start an uncontrolled infection. China did not adequately seal its borders by quarantining all visitors. China's only recourse is to contain the contagion until it runs its course, once it appears - economy be damned. Had libertarians' objections not blocked Covid containment in early 2000, and were meaningful travel restrictions today, the Shanghai outbreak would not have occurred. There is a breed of libertarians who have extended their freedom concepts to the economic sphere. Their golden rule is to do unto others BEFORE they do unto you. They abhor any government regulations, taxes, or other constraints on the unfettered pursuit of maximizing corporate profits. One way to maximize profits is to eliminate redundancy. Redundancy does improve availability at the cost of profits. That's why manufacturing, including the dyes required for your CT scan, are outsourced to China. Governments could place controls on the export of capital or require adequate strategic inventories at the corporate level. Such regulations are counter to economic libertarian policy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 12:52:43 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 12:49:49 2022. I want my minute back. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 13:06:48 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 22:54:50 2022.  Biden never said he wanted to bring manufacturing back to the US, so what are you talking about? |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:17:15 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 12:52:43 2022. Your own fault for even reading his long-winder A**ie shit |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:17:47 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue May 17 14:17:15 2022. *winded |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 17 15:13:39 2022, in response to Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon May 16 21:52:38 2022. Same with my wife. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 17 15:14:26 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 16 22:54:50 2022. The Dems blocked him so he couldn't get it done |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 15:23:00 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 10:54:23 2022. FUCK BIDENFUCK PELOSI FUCK SCHUMER FUCK ADAM SCHIFF FUCK THE democrats |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 15:38:00 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 15:23:00 2022. Let the hate flow through you. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 16:33:05 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 15:38:00 2022. Easing your burden, piglet |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 17:35:58 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 17 15:14:26 2022. And before the Dems got a majority, the RINOs blocked it.Don't ask him to remember recent history, though. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:41:19 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 12:49:49 2022. Well its all moot now. With some intense research, keyboard strokes & mouse clicks, I found a diagnostic center not too far away that has the contrast dye (and accepts my insurance). Its in my refrigerator now for my test on Thurs.Forgot to check the fine print on the label to see if indeed it was made in China. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 18:05:05 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 17:41:19 2022. It probably is on the label. It's worth checking. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 19:53:37 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 17:35:58 2022. What legislation was blocked? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 21:52:25 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 18:05:05 2022. Verbatum from the label:Manufactured for Bracco Diagnostics Inc. Monroe Twp NJ 08831 By E-Z-EM Canada Inc Anjou Quebec H112z4, Canada |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 17 23:31:33 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue May 17 12:49:49 2022. Yeah, it really worked in New Zealand, the place you thought would never get an outbreak due to their great containment processes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 23:44:32 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue May 17 21:52:25 2022. At least you got label verification from the source. E-Z-EM (a New York-based company; but Bracco is an Italian company) sure has an opportunity to ramp up production if Justin |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 23:45:36 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 17 23:31:33 2022. PWNZD! |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 18 01:14:52 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 17 23:31:33 2022. Yes, about 20% of the country got it (and recovered), and the lived in complete lockdown |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 18 01:18:33 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 12:52:43 2022. Yes, what a crock of shit |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 18 01:20:47 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Train Dude on Tue May 17 15:23:00 2022. True statements |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed May 18 01:21:42 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 17 11:59:54 2022. That's an insult to the Flintstones |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 18 07:51:27 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 23:45:36 2022. I like the NZ twist! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 07:55:39 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed May 18 07:51:27 2022. Thanks. Sorry that I had to putin a Z instead of the usual 3. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 18 08:16:52 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 17 23:45:36 2022. IAWPWNZD |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 18 11:50:43 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 17 23:31:33 2022. it really worked in New Zealand, the place you thought would never get an outbreak due to their great containment processes.It worked in New Zealand. NZ relaxed its border restrictions shortly before each outbreak. Start with the first graph on the link you provided. Switch to the logarithmic scale to see the stages of NZ's Covid infections. Here's a log cumulative comparison showing NZ and the US.  Both countries experienced their first diagnosed cases at about the same time but took different approaches, starting in March 2020. You can see NZ's total cases leveled off in the middle of April 2020. Starting in April 2020, NZ's case counts include both community cases and those that were contained at the border with it's Mandatory Isolation and Quarantine (MIQ) policy. The actual growth in NZ's community cases is less than the relatively flat increase shown in the graph. There were no internal restrictions in NZ during this time. Occasional community outbreaks were contained through swift application of contact tracing and isolation. The first relaxation in the MIQ requirements occurred on 19 April 2021, between New Zealand and Australia. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-56796679 Aussies, who tested negative for Covid, were permitted to travel into NZ without going through the 14 day stay at an MIQ facility. Both Australia and NZ were assumed to be Covid free at that time. Covid outbreaks occurred in Melbourne and Sydney during May 2021. This was followed by the appearance of community cases in New Zealand. Contact tracing determined the outbreak was caused by a single Aussie, who tested negative during his brief NZ stay but tested positive on his return. This Aussie was initially infected in Australia, based on Covid's incubation period and genomic sequencing. NZ stopped the Australia-New Zealand travel bubble, starting on 23 July 2021. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/new-zealand-suspends-quarantine-free-travel-with-australia-2021-07-23/ The Australia-New Zealand travel bubble was re-opened on 1 Nov 2021. https://www.travelpulse.com/news/destinations/australia-new-zealand-travel-bubble-resumes-in-run-up-to-reopening.html This was just before the Omicron wave started to hit. NZ rescinded the bubble on 21 Dec 2021. https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/12/21/new-zealand-delays-border-reopening-to-february-over-omicron NZ did come up with a Covid exit strategy in mid to late 2021. It relied on a high vaccination rate, which NZ achieved. NZ decided to trust the vaccine and started re-opening its borders on 27 Feb 2022. Here's a description of the stages. https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/border-reopen-stages-27-february As you can see, NZ's current case surge coincides with this staged re-opening. New Zealand has changed from a containment to a re-infection policy, starting in April 2021. The results have confirmed a containment strategy's effectiveness, rather than having contradicted it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 12:28:23 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed May 18 11:50:43 2022. I’m not reading this. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed May 18 14:08:24 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 12:28:23 2022. Smart move! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed May 18 15:44:45 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 12:28:23 2022. Will you read it when it shows up again hours later? |
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Posted by chicagoMotorman on Wed May 18 15:52:41 2022, in response to Re: Now It Hits Home., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 18 12:28:23 2022. I don't blame you. |
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