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Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here
Posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 02:19:11 2020 Yesterday, in The NY Times, published a news article in which it was stated that 2 reports on hydroxychloroquine were retracted because the same questionable data was used in both reports. The data came from a company called Surgisphere who’s staff reportedly included no scientific personnel. The data calls into question whether the drug is actually as severe a cardiac risk as reported as well as it’s preventative abilities. The studies were retracted in The Lancer and The New England Journal of Medicine because thevauthors could not verify the data. Of course the question remains why our resident Rationalizer, who so frequently quotes The NY Times as the paper of record, somehow did not report this development. Then again, neither did “scoop” zero, who was right there reporting every negative item published about the drug. Source NYTimes 6/05
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Posted by ntrainride* on Sat Jun 6 02:35:54 2020, in response to Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 02:19:11 2020.* aspirins. and sleep. and physical activity. and sunshine. and balanced diet. there ya go. problem solved. next.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Jun 6 03:14:47 2020, in response to Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 02:19:11 2020.* it's sad that America is so divided. If you are a conservative you support Chick-fil-A. If you're liberal you boycott them. If you are a conservative you are fine with eating meat. If you're a liberal you think it's causing global warming and want plant-based society. Now partisan politics has entered the pharmaceutical field. Unreal.
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Jun 6 03:58:16 2020, in response to Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 02:19:11 2020.* Trump was objectively right on this. The media taking a constant "everything Trump says is wrong" approach is killing their credibility. Even if Trump is only right 60% of the time, if you reflexively hold the opposite view you are only right 40% of the time.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 08:22:39 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 6 03:58:16 2020.* Still, you have to now wonder how many of the 100,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 might have actually been saved by hydroxychloroquine had there not been such a liberal led conspiracy to discredit it. How many are no longer victims of Covid-19 but unsteady now conscripted soldiers sacrificed in the left's war against DonaldTrump.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 08:23:52 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 6 03:58:16 2020.* Still, you have to now wonder how many of the 100,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 might have actually been saved by hydroxychloroquine had there not been such a liberal led conspiracy to discredit it. How many are no longer victims of Covid-19 but now conscripted soldiers sacrificed in the left's war against DonaldTrump.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 08:23:55 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 6 03:58:16 2020.* Still, you have to now wonder how many of the 100,000 deaths attributed to Covid-19 might have actually been saved by hydroxychloroquine had there not been such a liberal led conspiracy to discredit it. How many are no longer victims of Covid-19 but now conscripted soldiers sacrificed in the left's war against DonaldTrump.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Jun 6 08:26:14 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:22:39 2020.* There is zero scientific evidence that hydroxychloroquine has any clinical benefit or effect in treating COVID-19. Why are you such a dishonest, lying hatemonger?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 08:38:56 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:26:14 2020.* Still fighting the dishonest fight, little guy? Did you read the NY times article or are you too heavily invested in the false narrative?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Jun 6 08:58:00 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:38:56 2020.* There is no evidence hydroxyvhloroquiine prevents or treats COVID-19. (CNN) There is no evidence hydroxychloroquine prevents or treats COVID-19. (NPR)
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Jun 6 08:59:37 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:58:00 2020.* Oh, and here's the NYT: No evidence hydroxychloroquine prevents or treats COVID-19.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 09:10:18 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:59:37 2020.* You deliberately posted the wrong article from 6/04. The studies providing sata that hydroxychloroquine have been discredited. Is it your hatred of Donald Trump that causes you to be so resistant to facts?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Jun 6 09:58:31 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 09:10:18 2020.* I posted another two articles that support the NYT article I linked, and one of those is just 18 hours old. Why do you persist in your blatant dishonesty?
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Jun 6 10:51:34 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 09:58:31 2020.* Study retracted That doesn't mean that hydroxychloroquine has been found to be particularly useful. Just that one major study that found it to be harmful has been withdrawn.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 11:19:12 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:22:39 2020.* There is ZERO SCIENTIFIC evidence of that. ZERO - plus increased mortality rate. Get over it. But some idiots have now reported to have gargled with bleach. So much for Trump the Witch Doctor and his co-conspirators on FOX.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 11:22:00 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 08:23:55 2020.* Had the incoherent, semi-literate, mentally retarded Trump not been in denial and calling it a liberal hoax until early March, the 100,000 would be 36,000. Those are mathematical FACTS.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Jun 6 11:29:57 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Jun 6 03:58:16 2020.* Trump was objectively right on this. WTF? He was recommending a drug based on one small study, and some contraindications. Studies continue. No study has found major evidence that it is helpful. The limited information so far suggests it is helpful for a small percentage of people and harmful for a small percentage of people. How does that make recommending the drug a good idea?
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 11:34:26 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 11:29:57 2020.* Because the Cult-45 gang said so and want to give the stock market a bubble for bragging rights for the November election.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jun 6 11:40:06 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 03:14:47 2020.* Such a bullshit post.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 13:03:38 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 10:51:34 2020.* Thank you for posting it.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 13:10:21 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 09:58:31 2020.* Now that AlM has posted the article and it is exactly what I said, don't you feel like a fucking moron?
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 13:56:25 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Jun 6 08:26:14 2020.* The left has so much invested in proving Trump wrong for absolutely everything. It's sick. And you think the left doesn't have TDS? It's absurd at best
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 13:57:43 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 11:22:00 2020.* Then you should have no difficulty explaining how you came to that number. I'll wait. EXPLAIN!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 14:02:28 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 11:19:12 2020.* I guess you are having trouble reading.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:17:31 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:02:28 2020.* I guess you have trouble understanding science. We do not urge mass use of a drug for an unintended purpose because the moron in the Oval Office said "try it, what have you got to lose". We rank 131st of 140 in countries with deaths per 100,000 because he is a moron, with zero leadership abilities, zero managerial abilities, and who cannot grasp reality. It is not because those 130 preceding countries used that drug. You are making stupid suppositions and claims for no other reason than your stupid cult leader told you what to think.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:21:42 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 13:57:43 2020.* "I came up with". Hah. Maybe if you listened to anything other than FOX you'd know. Because we squandered February when most other counties did not, with social distancing, valid testing, and contact tracing. Mathematical models said had we started 2 weeks sooner, 64,000 lives would have been saved. I not going to put up links because you are not worth effort, and are incoherent except what you are spoon-fed by Trump and Fox.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:22:54 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 6 13:56:25 2020.* Chris, well you're just stupid, because you have nothing to contribute except the left does this and does that.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 14:28:03 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:17:31 2020.* I guess you have trouble following a simple question. Where did you get the 36,000 number? Its a simple question.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 14:29:22 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:21:42 2020.* so then you can't prove that 36,000. You must be a low functioning imbecile.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 14:29:24 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:21:42 2020.* so then you can't prove that 36,000. You must be a low functioning imbecile.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 14:30:17 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:22:54 2020.* Joey, stop dragging your knuckles on the pavrment.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:32:33 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:29:22 2020.* Yes I can, But as I said, I am not wasting my time for you. But then you make stupid claims by that malaria drug with no proof. The "low functioning imbecile" would be the Trump Cult member with the intellectual capacity and social maturity of a 5 year old.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:34:45 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 14:30:17 2020.* That would be you and Chris, seeing that Trump's poll numbers are headed for the sewer. He is not going to Twitter, nickname and insult his way out of it this time.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Jun 6 14:43:51 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:21:42 2020.* Mathematical models said had we started 2 weeks sooner, 64,000 lives would have been saved. A huge number of deaths occurred in NYC, and NYC did not really close down until March 16th (last day of school was 3/13, last day for bars and restaurants was 3/16). No one really had a good idea of how contagious this virus was until about a week earlier, and subway usage was already rapidly dropping off on Monday, 3/9. Schools didn't start announcing closures until 3/10, and weren't usually immediate but were schedule for a few days into the future. So on what basis would anyone have made a decision to close all NYC schools on 2/28 instead of 3/13? PS. I agree that the federal government wasted a month not building up supplies of PPE, but you were referring more to distancing. No country did well with testing early on.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 14:54:02 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 14:43:51 2020.* What basis on locking down nationwide by 2/28 ? How about federal leadership based on 1/29 intelligence reports, by Trump's trade advisor, instead of Democratic hoax nonsense by Trump and Fox for all of February and early March. We are rank behind most of the rest of civilization in deaths per 100,000, testing per 100,000 thousand, contact tracing, except for a corrupt nation like Brazil, with a Trump-like President.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Jun 6 15:09:38 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:54:02 2020.* What basis on locking down nationwide by 2/28 ? How about federal leadership based on 1/29 intelligence reports, by Trump's trade advisor, instead of Democratic hoax nonsense by Trump and Fox for all of February and early March. No one was suggesting this at the time. The 2/22 superspreader event in New Rochelle was not known.
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Posted by Dyre Dan* on Sat Jun 6 17:06:52 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 6 11:40:06 2020.* No, there's all too much truth in it.
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 17:18:27 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jun 6 03:14:47 2020.* Dead on balls accurate
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 17:18:30 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 15:09:38 2020.* But it was in other countries who were paying attention.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 17:28:24 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:22:54 2020.* Lol! You are one of the funniest posters here actually, and youvof all should be talking about being taken seriously.
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 17:29:11 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:34:45 2020.* ?????? What does that have to do with the lefts OBSESSION with that drug?
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 17:30:13 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:21:42 2020.* Dis MSNBC give you that number?
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 17:32:01 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Joe V on Sat Jun 6 14:54:02 2020.* Joey, Joey, Joey, you’re losing sight of the real issue. The issue is that 2 prestigious medical publications had to retract their negative findings on hydroxychloroquine because the data that they used in their studies was invalid. All this other stuff that you are foaming at the mouth about has nothing to do with what I posted. Now let me put it to you this way. Suppose that your mother got infected with Covid-19. (I am not wishing that on her) Now suppose that Hydroxychloroquine would have saved her life but she didn’t get it because of the false data published in the Lancet study or the study in the New England Journal of Medicine. Now your mother is dead because her Dr. got bad information from two tainted studies and made a bad decision. Her death would be due to the politicization of this drug rather than sound medical advice. Understand now?
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 17:32:54 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by AlM on Sat Jun 6 15:09:38 2020.* Wow, Al is making reasonable sense!!
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Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Jun 6 17:34:42 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 6 17:32:54 2020.* Yup. I’m impressed
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Jun 6 17:34:50 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 6 11:40:06 2020.* No, he's right. Sadly.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 17:48:54 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 6 17:29:11 2020.* No, that would be the rights' obsession with that drug. The left is telling you to forget it and stop publicizing it as snake oil.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 17:50:22 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 6 17:32:54 2020.* So why do we rank 131 of 140 countries in deaths per 100,000 ? Per capita, we are doing as badly as Italy and Spain.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 17:52:46 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by Train Dude on Sat Jun 6 17:32:01 2020.* You cannot come up with ANY positive findings. Rational, intelligent do not go by "would have, and should have" suppositions because the stupid POTUS won't let it go.
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Posted by Joe V* on Sat Jun 6 17:56:56 2020, in response to Re: Hydroxychloroquine - Nothing To See Here, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jun 6 17:30:13 2020.* Columbia University disease modelers. Most news sources have it. Pick your head out of the sand and go google it. 36,000 saved if locked down just 1 week sooner. Far more if 2 weeks sooner. We know you right wingers cannot accept science. Now it appears you cannot accept mathematics.
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