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Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:56:59 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:12 2018. In what way is Facebook a "different entity" than a business?It is a publicly traded, for-profit corporation. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:57:09 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:43:14 2018. I'm talking about the modern-day phone company, whatever the name du jour is |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 13:57:24 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 12:32:54 2018. A private entity can impose its own rules as they see fit. When you sign up, you're warned that you are agreeing to abide by their TOS. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 13:58:39 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 12:54:04 2018. Not here. I'll leave that to you RWers. It's what you do. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 13:58:39 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:39:33 2018. Oh, the crowded theater canard.Words don't result in people being harmed; actions do. Of course, nobody is even saying what words are in question here. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:59:01 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:44:26 2018. And they are just as wrong! But my whole thing is Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, shouldn't be either left or right wing sites. They should be like a true media site, neutral, right down the middle. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:59:28 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:44:44 2018. Actually, artistic nudity is permitted on Facebook. You can, for example, post a picture of Michelangelo's David without being thrown in Facebook jail. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:59:30 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:48:55 2018. From what I’ve read, facebook consistently states that they ban people for violating their terms of service. That could include libel, but it could include all kinds of things. They aren’t specific in that way. Why are you so stuck on libel? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:00:37 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:31:57 2018. It was relevant! Zuck is intolerant of different views! |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 14:00:58 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:30:12 2018. No, it isn't. Nor are they the lone masconsumption forum / portal. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:01:00 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:59:30 2018. Why are you so stuck on libel?Because that is what makes Alex Jones different from other people with radical views. It's much easier to justify banning Alex Jones than Steven King. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:04:50 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:52:59 2018. I took your reply to say that he is wrong, not “might”. I’ve never heard Alex jones say anything so I comment on specifics. I do know that he is accused of libel, but being accused is not the same as being found guilty.Anyone can see when someone is illegally parked. It’s not up for debate. If Alex jones is found not guilty of libel by a court are you saying that he’s actually still guilty? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:05:39 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 13:53:42 2018. It’s easy to look up and it doesn’t say that from what I saw. |
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Posted by R30A on Sat Aug 11 14:07:33 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:04:50 2018. Yes. IF you do something, you have done it.You may not be guilty in the eyes of the law, but that doesn't make you not guilty of actually doing it. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:09:51 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 13:57:24 2018. I agree 100% except I’d say that they can impose their rules as long as those rules and the way that they are imposed meet legal requirements. It looks like that’s not an issue in this instance. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:10:51 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:04:50 2018. If Alex jones is found not guilty of libel by a court are you saying that he’s actually still guilty?If the court finds in his favor because the plaintiffs are to be considered public figures, then I think Facebook still has cause to ban him. If the court finds that what he said was not provably false, that would be a difficult case. Do you seriously think that just maybe the whole Sandy Hook massacre is a fiction, with the "parents" being paid actors? |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:12:40 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:01:00 2018. But Facebook doesn’t have a rule specifically against “libel” and they’ve stated that he violated their terms of service. That makes more sense to me. Using libel as the reason would potentially mean that they would have to take him back if he wins his lawsuit. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 14:13:25 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:52:56 2018. You don't need much beyond a provider to hook into, a domain (low cost of any) and a computer with web server software to set up a website from which (in this country) one can exercise free speech. (Utilizing a service exposes you to THEIR TOS)Alex Jones has that. Any American should take issue with THAT being taken from him for political purposes (if he goes down because he's bankrupt, let's say, that's on him). He has no right to access any other forums, aggregators, databases, portals, outlets etc. outside of THEIR TOSes. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 14:14:20 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:59:28 2018. I'd hope so! |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:18:00 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:12:40 2018. Using libel as the reason would potentially mean that they would have to take him back if he wins his lawsuit.That could be. But the libel, and the odious nature of it, makes it much more important to ban him than if he were just posting some photos of topless women. I've just been talking about why I think it's fine to ban him, and why it has nothing to do with freedom of speech. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:18:27 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:56:40 2018. He's arguing that it's a public utility. I disagree. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:19:31 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 13:57:09 2018. Doesn't really matter, the modern phone company is the same as ma bell back in the day as far as this argument is concerned. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:19:37 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:10:51 2018. Don’t they have to prove malicious intent? If he thinks that he’s reporting the truth wouldn’t that be definition not be malice nor libel?Either way per Facebook libel has nothing to do with this thread, so I don’t know why we’re still discussing it |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:22:35 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:18:00 2018. I don’t know much about Alex jones but I’m generally opposed to people being banned for not speaking or thinking in an acceptable way. But if he is causing harm, then that’s different. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:24:13 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:19:31 2018. Exactly. The local phone company is regulated similarly to the way it was regulated 50 years ago. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:25:58 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by R30A on Sat Aug 11 14:07:33 2018. But libel is a legal term.Using the parking example, it would be more like it wasn’t clear if he could park there, he did and the courts ruled that he was allowed, yet you still arguing that he parked illegally. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:26:12 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:00:37 2018. Good for Zuck. If the shareholders want to vote him out, they can. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:29:30 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 14:24:13 2018. What local phone company?Back in the day you had one phone company to choose from and prices were regulated by the government. How is that the same as now? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:29:44 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:18:27 2018. You're right, it's not a public utility. Facebook does not provide electricity, steam, water, gas, or telephone service (although you can call or video chat with another Facebook user via Messenger, over your ISP or cell carrier's connection). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:31:46 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:19:37 2018. No. In fact, no intent is necessary. Negligence is sufficient.Malice is only relevant when it comes to damages. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:32:27 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:05:39 2018. I didn't look it up and I don't care enough to. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:33:57 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:29:44 2018. Agreed. What about the subway? Is that a public utility? I’d say yes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:35:42 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:29:30 2018. Only one company owns the wires. I don't think there are many CLECs left over. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:36:13 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:33:57 2018. The subway is a public service. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:36:29 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:33:57 2018. I would also say yes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:37:14 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:36:13 2018. Only because it is also owned by the government. If it were privately run, it would not be a public service. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:38:33 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:36:13 2018. According to Wikipedia:A public utility (usually just utility) is an organization that maintains the infrastructure for a public service (often also providing a service using that infrastructure). |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:39:54 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:37:14 2018. I wonder about that. I believe both the BRT (later BMT) and the IRT were regulated by the Public Service Commission before unification. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 14:43:46 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:38:33 2018. EMS is a public service, although it's various providers (FDNY, participating hospitals, and volunteer groups) all maintain and operate the infrastructure (stations, vehicles, and equipment) that comprise their operations.Commissioner Nigro would be very upset if you referred to the EMS Command as a "utility". |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:46:14 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Dave on Sat Aug 11 13:39:33 2018. Yes, I understand that, hence the craxkdown on antifa sites. Oh, wait... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:47:26 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:44:44 2018. Ive been banned so many times! |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:48:54 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 11 13:44:44 2018. You can only post obscene nudity? 😂 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:49:34 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 13:43:23 2018. Qe ALL know why he got banned. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 14:50:45 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:22:35 2018. He is. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 14:55:34 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:09:51 2018. Yes, of course. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:55:57 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 13:56:40 2018. You KNOW what I mean |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:56:48 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 14:18:27 2018. I realize that technically it isn't, but it is an entity nevertheless |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 11 14:59:09 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:56:48 2018. It's a private corporation |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:59:44 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 14:56:48 2018. All this means is that if people don’t like their rules, they can take their business elsewhere. Of course nearly all the tech companies are based in the same place with people that think the same way. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Aug 11 15:01:32 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Easy on Sat Aug 11 14:29:30 2018. They're still regulated utilities, which is the point being made. |
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