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Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017

When will people just admit and recognize that Nature is not equal? It never has been, it never will be. In the mammal World, males are bigger and stronger and faster than females on average. That's how it is. That's how it will always be, unless Evolution takes a different path. Just like in the bird World, lots of species have the female being bigger and stronger than the male. Again, that's just how it is.

Which brings me to this whole statue issue. Everybody wants to tear down symbols that they find offensive. But what people don't want to admit, because in their hearts they know it's true, is that some cultures are more advanced than others! There's nothing wrong with saying that! We just happened to be living in the era of the end of the great European culture for the last thousand years or so. Europeans conquered the Earth. There's no denying that. Europeans had the superior knowledge and the superior weaponry and the superior structure to do so. To say that fact is not being racist. It's just factual. So when somebody gets annoyed at a Christopher Columbus statue, they have no reason to be. Yes, he came to the new world and his men brought disease and killed the American Indians off, but that's just the way it was. Even America itself, we werr formed by European colonialist, for European colonialists. That's not a hard concept to grasp, is it? When some people say America is not for me, you know what? They are sort of right but yet sort of wrong. Nowadays America is for everybody, but the culture is based upon the British Isles, make no mistake about that. Now who's going to tell me I'm wrong? It's time us as human beings realize that there are certain civilizations that are more advanced than others.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 08:18:18 2017, in response to Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017.

Your second paragraph does not follow from the first. And the statues being torn down are from the inferior Southern culture.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:25:45 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 08:18:18 2017.

I wasn't even thinking of the civil war statues in this instance

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Re: Nature

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 08:27:54 2017, in response to Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017.

British, Spanish, French. Slavery, you omitted slavery. I mean dont whitewash your history.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:35:51 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 08:27:54 2017.

Slavery was a GLOBAL practice at the time, practiced by numerous different cultures, hence it was not mentioned. Know your history.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:55:41 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 08:27:54 2017.

I see that you stopped responding after I pointed out the fact that slavery was a global practice at the time. You can't pin it on European culture, even though you want to.

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Re: Nature

Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 22 09:07:18 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:35:51 2017.

You are emphasizing our British heritage.

The Brits ended slavery in their entire empire circa 1835.

The Southern US didn't just want to keep slavery (which the North would have allowed); they were trying to expand it into new American territories.

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Re: Nature

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 09:25:14 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:35:51 2017.

Ill give you one chance to amend your statement before you get educated.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:40:21 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 22 09:07:18 2017.

I'm not even talking about slavery! He brought it up. Slavery was brought to the Europeans by the West Africans! Who practice slavery back then, and still practice slavery now!

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:40:39 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 09:25:14 2017.

I'm ALL ears!

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 09:43:50 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:40:21 2017.

They had slavery in Ancient Greece and in other Mediterranean cultures. It did not come from West Africa.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:47:35 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 09:43:50 2017.

Yes, I know. But Europe didn't have slavery for centuries until the Portuguese explored the west African coast in the mud 1400s. The west Africans sold their slaves to the ecplorers.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:49:18 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 09:43:50 2017.

Yes, I know. But Europe didn't have slavery for centuries until the Portuguese explored the west African coast in the mud 1400s. The west Africans sold their slaves to the ecplorers.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 10:00:35 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:47:35 2017.

Yes, they did. Except Europeans were the slaves.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 10:19:46 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 09:40:21 2017.

Wrong... lets start with the Portugese NOT the west africans that really started the slave trade. So lets get that falsehood out of the way. The british actually sold african slaves to the portugese and the french at first.

Then the british and french using slaves to farm the cash crop of sugar cane to fuel the chests that allowed all 3 to grow, especially the British. Which lead to all 3 fighting but to become the superpowers they were at the time? They built it on slave labor, pure and simple, it drove their economic engines. It allowed them to create empires that spanned the globe. The money from slave labor allowed them to build ships, purchase weapons and build the war machines you described.

Europe had slavery for a long time since the romans, and beforr then too, and in some parts of europe slavery still exists and is a problem. So lets not again whitewash history. You omit the very thing which allowed europe to grow powerful. Which is pathetic on your part.

Misguided history with billbklyn

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 10:46:17 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 10:00:35 2017.

I know all about the Barbary Pirates and white slavery, anyway, my initial statement has nothing to do with slavery, everyone has to stop on that one sticking point that all cultures had

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 10:48:33 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 10:19:46 2017.

Old, so I guess that the only reason why the European culture is a world dominant cultures only because of sub-Saharan African slavery. Wrong. The Muslims in West Africa already had the slave trade going by the time to Europeans discovered Africa. Anyway, I stand by my original statement that some civilizations are more advanced than others. And you can't argue that!

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 10:58:30 2017, in response to Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017.

In the mammal World, males are bigger and stronger and faster than females on average

No, not in all cases, not even in the carnivore order (gray wolves have only an average weight difference of ten pounds between male and female respectively).

And no, evolution is not real.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:01:13 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 10:48:33 2017.

Lets try that again. The Arab or Muslim (Bantu) slave trade was North Africa, Horn of Africa and Southeast Africa. NOT western africa.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:07:36 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:01:13 2017.

The Muslim slavers were already trading slaves in W.A. by the time of European contact. Warring tribes sold their prisoners as slaves to the slavers. I know that there's lots of people who want to think that the mean old white man is the only person responsible for the transatlantic slave trade, but there are several actors, to be honest. Anyway, my regional thread is about civilizations and that some are more advanced than others, not slavery.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 11:07:37 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 10:48:33 2017.

You only get to be technologically advanced by being morally advanced.

And there is no unified European culture. There's a clear division between British culture and the rest of Europe.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:08:22 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 10:58:30 2017.

It isn't?

That's why I said on average.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:09:30 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:07:36 2017.

Well when slavery drove the economies of your examples like EUROPEANS to prominance you cannot talk about one without the other. It is like talking about Americans dominance in the late 20th century but omitting WWII and the Cold War

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:10:04 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 11:07:37 2017.

Well then I guess the Europeans one morally advanced. The same could be said about several European cultures. But the fact of the matter is within the last thousand years, they more or less unified and Colonial lies the entire Globe. You cannot take that away from them.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:10:31 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 11:07:37 2017.

Colonialists. Stupid talk to text

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:11:57 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:09:30 2017.

I think the slaves drove the economies of the United States and South and Central America, not Europe to that extent. Anyways, it shows a prime example of what I just said! An advanced culture used a more less advanced culture for their gains!

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Re: Nature

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 22 11:17:23 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 10:58:30 2017.

Evolution has been tested by repeated scientific research and experimentation, for over 160 years. Of course, if you wish to deny science, by all means, be blissful in your ignorance.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:20:28 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 22 11:17:23 2017.

Right on!!

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:22:29 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 22 11:17:23 2017.

This, of course, belongs in the Ology.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:36:50 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:11:57 2017.

Thats def a way of trying to polish a turd. But if you read your history you would see how much the slave trade made the european powers what they are.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:39:25 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:07:36 2017.

However, the Europeans increased demand for slaves, which increased slaving activity. Basic economics.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:42:09 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:36:50 2017.

The European culture was far advanced enough before they even laid eyes on a black man.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:42:21 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:39:25 2017.

What is this supply vs demand economics you speak of?

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:42:41 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:39:25 2017.

Yes, but NOT what my O.P. is about.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:44:53 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:42:09 2017.

if you consider the rampant child mortality rates, nasty condition of european cities at the time? Sure called it that advanced.

Are you saying that white people are more advanced than black people sir without directly saying so?

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:48:52 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:44:53 2017.

That counts as an advanced civilization. Civilization is actually a step down for human health.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:49:03 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:44:53 2017.

As was with ALL cultures at the time

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:49:25 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:42:41 2017.

Topic drift.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:49:35 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 11:44:53 2017.

I'm talking world cultures, not races.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:50:06 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:49:25 2017.

Get back in the lane!

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:54:24 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:49:35 2017.

I understand the distinction.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 12:15:13 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 11:48:52 2017.

Not necessarily true, a DECLINING infant mortality rate, and a decrease in human population as medicine increases, life expectancy increases, and humans have less children per household, are more signs of an advanced civilization. That's why most scientists have the human population dramatically decreasing after 2150. As continents like Africa advance what happens in the west will happen there, and in other developing nations. You see this dramatic impact when its negative in Japan where the rapid population declining has literally caused its economy to stall. Population declines actually hamper western civilization cause the supply / demand model of economics completely collapse under a declining population.

The UN did a fantastic report on it. Long Range Population Report

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Re: Nature

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 22 12:25:17 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 08:25:45 2017.

I wasn't even thinking of the civil war statues in this instance

Then what "whole statue issue" were you thinking about?

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 22 12:31:46 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 12:15:13 2017.

This has only been true since the 19th century. The rise of civilization led to a decline in general health that did not recover for thousands of years.

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Re: Nature

Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 22 12:38:26 2017, in response to Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017.

Define "advanced". A civilization does things like cutting back on access to medical care, resulting in higher maternal and infant death rates? (Case in point, texas 2015)

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 12:50:53 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:10:04 2017.

Well then I guess the Europeans one morally advanced

Over the Brits? I think not. The "European" culture is where we get socialism and communism from, never mind their "right wing" derivatives called fascism (made up by a communist) and national socialism.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 12:53:36 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Aug 22 11:17:23 2017.

Evolution has been tested by repeated scientific research and experimentation, for over 160 years

And it's found nothing. There are no laws of evolution. It's like trying to find a parallel universe. And that's an empty statement anyhow.

Of course, if you wish to deny science

LOL! I'm affirming science. It's you who's denying it.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 12:55:41 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:20:28 2017.

Don't pretend you know anything about science, now. I don't think working at the TA entailed classes in biochemistry or any kind of biology, did it.

Even college professors (or most of them) will be honest about the actual tenets of the theory. Politicians and reporters are another story.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 22 12:56:57 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 11:08:22 2017.

There are also fewer males than females, on average among mammals.

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Re: Nature

Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Aug 22 13:01:02 2017, in response to Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 22 07:59:49 2017.

You should have come to my city where a guy from New York who dresses in women's clothing is going to have a forum at the public library to unify us all in a non-confrontational discussion where we talk about and discuss our feelings about the New Yorker who picked our city out of a hat(sure).

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