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Re: dand124 is a communist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 30 16:45:22 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by DANd124 on Sun Aug 30 16:42:13 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Right; what is shown in the pic was not pragmatism in action. Do you ever think before posting, or are you that brainwashed by the left as to react in the manner you do?
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Re: dand124 is a communist
Posted by SMAZ* on Sun Aug 30 18:01:08 2015, in response to Re: dand124 is a communist, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 30 16:45:22 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Neville Chamberlain was a Conservative.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 31 04:54:08 2015, in response to Ology of Terror III, posted by dANd124 on Thu Apr 2 19:22:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Fascism is left-wing. Only have to examine what they believe to determine that. Mussolini started out as a commie and merely reworked his prior beliefs by adding extreme jingoism—not unlike Stalin, ironically. As for "right wing", that has devolved into a bogeyman that the left shapes and forms into whatever they please. Usually into some kind of neo-feudal form resembling the Holy Roman Empire.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by SMAZ* on Mon Aug 31 11:44:40 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 04:54:08 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You beat me to it.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 11:52:01 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 04:54:08 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d And I'm talking about your brain. Of course, you also probably believe that national socialism is "right wing" too somehow. Facts are stubborn things, even more stubborn than left-wing total ignorance. Trotsky associate Karl Radek called fascism "middle-class socialism", you know. The minute you stop seeing things through a Soviet prism (they called stuff like the New Deal "right wing" FCOL—even called the Socialist Party of America "right wing"!), the sooner your brain can start working again.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 11:52:54 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by SMAZ on Mon Aug 31 11:44:40 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Too bad the fact-filled rebuttal will not enter your rotted cranium.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 31 11:58:47 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 31 11:52:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for posting this to the Ology and saving me the trouble.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 12:02:51 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 11:58:47 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d No sweat. Only reflects on you, dandKKK and SMAZional socialist, not me. You all prefer to view life through USSRed-colored glasses without having experienced the horrors of such collectivist regimes, but all I can say is that I can hope for everyone's sake that you don't get what you wish for—and that you wake up to facts and truth.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Mon Aug 31 12:09:43 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 31 11:52:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Of course, you also probably believe that national socialism is "right wing" too somehow The Nazis were about as far-right as any political organization got in the 20th century. Surely you're not attempting to suggest that Hitler and his accomplices were liberals, are you?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 31 12:23:18 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 31 12:02:51 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Your posts evince a profound hatred for liberty and the various other principles for which the United States, so it is no wonder that you engage in ad sovietum attacks on others, because it deflects criticism away from you, because you truly believe in authoritarianism and the divine right of kings. DanD, SMAZ and I aren’t fooled by you, though.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Aug 31 12:26:23 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 12:09:43 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, he is suggesting that. Have you not been paying attention to his posts?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by AlM* on Mon Aug 31 13:17:46 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 31 12:26:23 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hey, they're "socialists," aren't they? So they're liberals.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by kew gardens teleport* on Mon Aug 31 16:38:07 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 12:09:43 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Nazis were about as far-right as any political organization got in the 20th century. Surely you're not attempting to suggest that Hitler and his accomplices were liberals, are you? The people who describe themselves as "liberals" in America are by-and-large not liberals in any meaningful sense of the word. They thoroughly resent the freedom to make money, except that they can tax it. They are properly termed socialists. The National Socialist German Workers Party's program was a socialist program. It included the following points: We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts). We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare. [...] We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land. [...] The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the State must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the State of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession. The State is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young. Where American ~~Liberals~~ Socialists differ from German National Socialists of the 1920s-1940s is that they tend to accept the classic Marxist definition of the proletariat (however much cognitive dissonance this may cause), rather than a Volkisch definition of the German people. Cui bono: that's the only difference between Sanders and Hitler.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 18:17:40 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Aug 31 12:09:43 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Nazis were about as far-right as any political organization got in the 20^th century . . . because the USSR said so and that POV became mainstream thanks to USSR influence on the USA especially via the UN?? The National Socialists had state-run healthcare, social welfare (the NSV), gun bans (except for certain party members), corporate welfare on a scale then unimagined, one-party rule, and pushed "nationalism" while being extremely internationalist in scope. Please tell us what is not left wing there. Even the racist pogroms are in common with the USSR and Red China.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 18:22:55 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by kew gardens teleport on Mon Aug 31 16:38:07 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well said.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Dave* on Mon Aug 31 22:55:55 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 31 18:17:40 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d How can you consider Naziism left wing when the NSDAP did not hope for the abolition of capitalism, nor for workers' control, both elements of socialism? It's true the NSDAP started out socialist but Hitler had other ideas. In fact, the Nazi party at one time had two wings, a nationalist wing under Hitler and a socialist wing under Gregor Strasser, who considered himself a personal friend of Hitler's. Having said that, the book "Liberal Fascism: The Secret History of the American Left, From Mussolini to the Politics of Meaning" by Jonah Goldberg argues that the original fascists were really on the left.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 31 23:13:52 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 22:55:55 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d the NSDAP did not hope for the abolition of capitalism They were against the free market. All socialists are about state capitalism, no matter how that could be achieved—and key industries were indeed nationalized by the NSDAP. And Adolf never abolished the welfare state; the Allies abolished the NSV and other socialistic departments of the central government. In addition, there is also this very socialistic stuff: We demand the nationalization of all trusts. We demand profit-sharing in large industries. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land. . . . In order to make it possible for every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education, and thus the opportunity to reach into positions of leadership, the State must assume the responsibility of organizing thoroughly the entire cultural system of the people. The curricula of all educational establishments shall be adapted to practical life. The conception of the State Idea (science of citizenship) must be taught in the schools from the very beginning. We demand that specially talented children of poor parents, whatever their station or occupation, be educated at the expense of the State. The State has the duty to help raise the standard of national health by providing maternity welfare centers, by prohibiting juvenile labor, by increasing physical fitness through the introduction of compulsory games and gymnastics, and by the greatest possible encouragement of associations concerned with the physical education of the young. . . . Quite socialistic, yes? Of course, since the USSR characterized stuff like the New Deal as "right wing", they and those who think like them could characterize stuff like that as "right wing" without even stopping to think.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred* on Tue Sep 1 00:37:28 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 31 22:55:55 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d The NSDAP pronounced and sponsored what would seem to be a very liberal and socialist program until Hitler took power and embarked on a major territorial expansion by force. To do that he had to have the support of big business who demanded the unions be suppressed. It was then he threw in his lot with the Krupps, Farbens, Theissens and the rest of that greedy lot. They made millions, gave the Nazis the money to build up an armed force not ever seen before in Europe and gave Hitler the go ahead to do his dirty work. Strasser and a few others were socialists.....Hitler was a Fascist through and through, totally nationalistic and the proof of the pudding came on June 30, 1934 in what was called the "Night of the Long Knives when Strasser and others were liquidated and the party left in the hands of Hitler, Goering, Goebbels and Himmler.
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Re: What a load of crap
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Sep 1 02:24:43 2015, in response to Re: What a load of crap, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Sep 1 00:37:28 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d If Adolf was merely nationalistic, he wouldn't have been as expansionist. Strasser's main beef with Adolf had to do with the dictatorial bent. As for Goering, he said all this in 1933, half a year after Strasser was gone from the NSDAP.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Sep 8 07:10:01 2015, in response to Ology of Terror III, posted by dANd124 on Thu Apr 2 19:22:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Abortion has nothing to do with a woman's health, apart from wrecking it.
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Re: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Sep 8 10:55:27 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 8 07:10:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You know who the NIH's main source for statistics thereof is? PP. Oh well; clock is ticking now. Unless you are a sucker for the Iran "deal"?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Sep 8 11:06:14 2015, in response to Ology of Terror III, posted by dANd124 on Thu Apr 2 19:22:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d [Obama's] not proud. He's just using that for the purpose of the revolution.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Sep 8 13:59:13 2015, in response to Re: IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 8 10:55:27 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d What clock is ticking? What does the Iran deal have to do with abortion?
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Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Sep 8 15:43:12 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 8 13:59:13 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d More than you think, Spiderology of Terrorism. Since you brought that up.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Sep 8 16:12:36 2015, in response to Ology of Terror III, posted by dANd124 on Thu Apr 2 19:22:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d In response to what does the Iran deal have to do with abortion: “More than you think”
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Re: Kentucky County Clerk
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Sep 8 16:15:32 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Sep 8 16:12:36 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Oh that's right, I forgot: You're not capable of thinking.
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Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken
Posted by SMAZ* on Wed Sep 9 04:29:41 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 8 15:43:12 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So you side with Iran where abortion is illegal. Typical.
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Re: Kentucky Fried Cleric
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Sep 9 04:32:03 2015, in response to Re: Kentucky Fried Chicken, posted by SMAZ on Wed Sep 9 04:29:41 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d So we abort Iran. :)
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Sep 16 18:57:52 2015, in response to Ology of Terror III, posted by dANd124 on Thu Apr 2 19:22:45 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d No, [Black Lives Matter is] a communist group and it's led by a white communist.
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Re: War on anti-Islamic Octoberfest ramps up
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Sep 16 19:10:24 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 18:57:52 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d http://www.google.com/search?q=shaun+king Your brain shut off today again?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by mtk52983* on Wed Sep 16 19:13:42 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 18:57:52 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I thought you were going to use the last line which I thought I heard from J. Edgar Hoover
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Re: War on anti-Islamic Octoberfest ramps up
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Sep 16 19:17:01 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 19:13:42 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d You've never heard of Shaun King either?
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Re: War on anti-Islamic Octoberfest ramps up
Posted by mtk52983* on Wed Sep 16 19:20:14 2015, in response to Re: War on anti-Islamic Octoberfest ramps up, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 16 19:17:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I have heard of him which is why I did not comment about your fast clause as that one is true.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Sep 16 19:23:32 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Sep 16 19:13:42 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d That one is not as unreasonable. Communists support armed revolution by definition.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Nilet* on Wed Sep 16 20:28:01 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 19:23:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Communists support armed revolution by definition. What? That's absurd. So you're saying that if someone believes the workers should own the means of production, they must necessarily believe that the workers should take the means of production by armed revolution? At the moment, there is no easy way to ensure that "the workers," however that category be defined, can be made owners of the means of production nor any way of determining the appropriate balance of goods and services to produce outside of profit motive. It is unlikely that these fundamental problems with communism will ever be rectified. However if, by magic, they somehow are, then I would support the idea of the workers owning the means of production, but I would oppose armed revolution in favour of a slow transition mediated by elected government with plenty of time to reverse course if the magic stops working. Even so, the claim that communists support armed revolution by definition is trivially disproved.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by AlM* on Wed Sep 16 20:31:34 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 19:23:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I actually mostly agree with Nilet. Plenty of 1930s Communists, even ones who didn't quit the party until long after they should have realized what Stalin was up to, never supported an armed revolution.
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Re: Shaun Kingology of Terror III
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Sep 16 21:30:52 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 19:23:32 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Communists support armed revolution by definition You don't say.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Sep 16 22:09:01 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 16 20:28:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Then you'd not be a Marxist.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Sep 16 22:09:44 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by AlM on Wed Sep 16 20:31:34 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Then they weren't 100% Marxists.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by AlM* on Thu Sep 17 06:52:17 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 22:09:44 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d OK, fine. Joe McCarthy didn't make that distinction, of course. And niether would I.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Nilet* on Thu Sep 17 08:35:02 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by AlM on Thu Sep 17 06:52:17 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d And niether would I. The distinction between supporting a belief and actively preparing to engage in armed insurrection in support of that belief seems particularly vital to me. How would you like to be arrested for what you believe on the assumption that anyone who believes that is actively plotting to overthrow the United States? Also, if you find yourself agreeing with Joe McCarthy, you are almost guaranteed to be wrong.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Nilet* on Thu Sep 17 08:36:11 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 22:09:01 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d But would I be a Scotsman?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by terRAPIN station* on Thu Sep 17 08:42:57 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 17 08:36:11 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d But would I be a Scotsman? Like this one? Yes!
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Nilet* on Thu Sep 17 09:12:51 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 17 08:42:57 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well that point sure flew over your head.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Sep 17 09:34:36 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 17 08:36:11 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe. Do you put sugar in your porridge?
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by terRAPIN station* on Thu Sep 17 12:51:08 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 17 09:12:51 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d I wasn't addressing your point. I have no idea what your point was, nor do I care, as my response did not consider it. I was clearly making a side comment/response. You win your stupid petulant child award thing for the day, LOL.
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Sep 17 14:27:16 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 17 12:51:08 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d He always wins. So why try? He wins with unmatched wit and intelligence
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Re: Ology of Terror III
Posted by cortelyounext* on Thu Sep 17 14:44:24 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 17 14:27:16 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d He always wins. False statement. He never loses but he does not always win. When he fights Terrapin Station it is, by definition, a draw since those are the only two people who have never lost a thread. I think bingbong may be the only other never to have lost a thread but I am still analyzing the data from the archival records. Please stop posting lies, and thanks.
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Re: Seattle police officer fired
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Sep 17 16:31:00 2015, in response to Re: Ology of Terror III, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 17 14:27:16 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d How wide are you stretching those glutei maximi today, eh?
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Re: Shaun Kingology of Terror III
Posted by orange blossom special* on Thu Sep 17 19:02:06 2015, in response to Re: Shaun Kingology of Terror III, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 16 21:30:52 2015.* fiogf49gjkf0d Good, put em on a boat to Syria
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