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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 26 18:58:06 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 16:46:16 2015. European culture was not ALWAYS the superior one -BUT- it has been for the last 1000 years or so. We just happen to be living in the cycle where it is. Western culture is superior in 2015 and there's just no debating it. Feeling like this does not make it racist.I absolutely agree with this sentiment although I disagree about the 1000 years part. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 19:20:00 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Tue May 26 17:49:41 2015. all over the web dont be lazy |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 26 19:49:27 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:20:04 2015. The fact that you disagree with him doesn't take away from his statements, and the way he's been tearing you a new one. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:06 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 16:46:16 2015. For the last time, I am NOT going to tell you or anytone else here what I do for a living.Then stop yammering about it. You are the one who tried to make your profession a point in your favour. If you don't want to be asked what you do, stop using it to bolster your arguments. BTW, there's more than 1 person from here and Subtalk who know me IRL. Who? Noooo. I asked you if you meant a pre-war apartment as OPPOSED to a tenement apt. Since it was obvious that I meant a tenement, and your response was: "You mean like a pre-war apartment?" it was obvious that you didn't know what a tenement was. But of course YOU took it another way. I took it the only way there was to take it, but you tried twisting out as usual. I should know to make everything that I write simple for you so that even you could understand. European culture was not ALWAYS the superior one -BUT- it has been for the last 1000 years or so. In what ways? Feeling like this does not make it racist. Um, no, that's pretty much the definition of racism. Japping someone out is just an expression. Just like to "go dutch" or "welsh on a bet" or "indian giver". Citing other offensive statements does not make your statement non-offensive. I guess "two wrongs don't make a right" wasn't one of those "rules of the street" you learned while other kids were in school. My 4 statements were indeed true. Citations needed. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:09 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 16:58:07 2015. I've already answered you about whether or not I support "reperations" for ANYTHING.Then link to your previous answer. Thus far, you've only pulled the WMATA schtick— dodge, weave, avoid, then declare you already answered at some prior point you can't link to and won't repeat the answer. I am talking about studying and striving for success. YOU are talking about superior and inferior. Pay attention!! Are you really so stupid you can't understand this? Saying: "I don't think black people are inferior, I just think they're lazy and don't strive for success!" is the most transparent example of "I'm not a racist, but here's an extremely racist thing I believe" imaginable. Oh yes, it happens!! Links or no links, dems jus da facts! Bill Brooklyn killed his children and burned their hearts in a black magic ritual he thought would kill all black people. Links or no links, that's a fact! Oh wait, no. Looks like your logic doesn't work. And since you are severely mentally defective, I will spell it out for you that of of course I don't actually think that's true— it's just that according to your argument it must be true, ergo your argument is meritless. So, now in Niletland, abbreviating the term White Supremacist means that I am somehow afraid or have an aversion to typing the entire word? How should I know? "Niletland" is your fucked up obsessive fantasy world. If I post WHAT?? Debating with you? You mentioned posting at work at 2 AM. Was that a lie? And, I thought I was a menial laborer, so with that logic I would not have the time to post, correct? Even a barista has time between customers. I would know— mine takes, like, ten minutes to make my damn espresso. That wasn't you, was it? Posting angry rants when you were supposed to be making my coffee? I LOVE how you are biting my barista line that I said about you! Er, what? You said you were a barista. I just ran with it. Now let's get onto the questions you dodged. 1. Why do even rich black people get harassed by store security when shopping? 1.I answered that. No, you dodged it. 2. Why are employers more willing to hire a white felon than a black man with no criminal record? 2. That's a lie. So you don't have an answer handy. 3. Why are cops more likely to shoot an unarmed black man than a white man currently committing a felony? 3. Another lie. OK, you can't answer that one either. 4. Why are black people so much poorer despite working just as hard? 4. ANOTHER lie! That's four questions you can't answer. Looks like I'll have to start that list after all. 5. Who are these mythical "guilt-ridden whites" you keep mentioning? You... Incorrect. In your diseased brain, any white person who doesn't want to kill all black people is "guilty" about being white, however that doesn't make it true. Since this is a transparent lie, it's not an answer. ...and sereral other posters here, which I will not name because, unlike you, *I* don't drag other people's names onto a thread that they aren't participating in. Since when is it untoward to mention people outside of their immediate presence? Is this one of those "rules of the street" you learned when you were in a gang? People talk about other people and have for thousands of years— you must be one really screwed up kid to think there's something wrong with that. In any case, since you didn't name anybody, it doesn't count as an answer. You're five for five in this thread, and there are a few other questions you've been dodging, so now I have a full list. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:12 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 17:02:10 2015. What do you do for a living?What one does for a living is not relevant to these debates unless one chooses to make it relevant by citing their own employment by way of qualification or to bolster their position. Bill Brooklyn claimed he's more right because of his allegedly wonderful job. I made no similar claim. Quid pro quo. OK, post what you do for a living then. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:17 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue May 26 12:46:30 2015. I did. You ignored it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:27 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:20:45 2015. What's a "victim card?"Although it's funny that you're telling a Jewish guy: "As a German, I don't act like I've been the victim of historical atrocities, so why should anyone else?" |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:29 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:18:54 2015. I don't go through life with a victim status...You're white and male. In what way are you a victim? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:30 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:20:04 2015. Aw, upset that other people are calling you on your bullshit? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:32 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:17:46 2015. Well, did I say anything that wasn't true?All of it. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 26 20:11:19 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue May 26 17:17:46 2015. Well, did I say anything that wasn't true? When other blacks start to criticize blacks who think that they have to "keep it real" and not want to do well OR buckle up and do well in school, will things change.Really??? How about you just stereotyped the whole group of black people. Yes, I take offense to your statement, and any stereotyping. I'm black, I did my best in school (as did my brother), and we've been nothing less than positive members of society. I refuse to believe we're some sort of anomaly as many would have us believe. Then you go on with your stereotyping in your shoplifting example. I say again... I'm black, I pay for everything that leaves the store with me, and again... I refuse to believe that's an anomaly. Shoplifters come in all shapes sizes, and races/ethnic backgrounds. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 26 21:02:54 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 19:20:00 2015. Wikipedia shows indentured servants first arriving in America in 1619. UC-Berkeley shows the same date. So too the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History. A book written in 2012 by a Duke Law School professor discusses slavery in the 1400's in Spanish and Portuguese colonies but this isn't America.So tell me, what sources are you citing that show slavery in America began prior to 1619? No, it's not "all over the web," Stumpy, so why don't you educate us? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 21:13:47 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Tue May 26 21:02:54 2015. Wikipedia is not right it was 1555 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 26 21:24:36 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 21:13:47 2015. Elijah Muhammad is not right it was 1619 |
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Posted by Dave on Tue May 26 21:35:36 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 21:13:47 2015. So the Smithsonian, UC-Berkeley, and a Duke Law professor all have it wrong? Post the link to your source other than NOI nonsense. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 22:23:33 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 03:21:30 2015. Liar.Why are you changing thread titles? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 22:24:45 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by WayneJay on Tue May 26 20:11:19 2015. How about you just stereotyped the whole group of black peopleWhat "whole group of black people"? And why act like he was talking about you? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 26 22:37:44 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 22:24:45 2015. He doesn't have to talk about me, specifically. It's still offensive. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:37:51 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue May 26 21:24:36 2015. you are wrong it was 1555 |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:38:42 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Tue May 26 21:35:36 2015. its is not nonsense the wise people ( not you ) know it was 1555 |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:43:57 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:38:42 2015. Slavery Timeline 1501-1600 A Chronology of Slavery, Abolition, and Emancipation in the Sixteenth Century This page contains a detailed timeline of the main historical, literary, and cultural events connected with British slavery, abolition, and emancipation between 1501 and 1600. It also includes references to the most significant events taking place outside of the British zone of influence (in the sixteenth century that was most of the world) as well as key events in the history of European exploration and colonisation. While there is plenty of detail in this timeline, it is of course impossible to record every event related to slavery in this period. The following selection is thus intended to provide an overview of the topic only. If there is something I have left out that you think should be included, please let me know. Click on a date in the list below, or scroll down the page, for information. Links are given to pages on this website only. For my sources and for further reading, look at the page Further Reading: Slavery, Abolition, and Emancipation. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 22:44:45 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by WayneJay on Tue May 26 20:11:19 2015. You're talking to Bill Brooklyn. He's a die-hard white supremacist who has openly endorsed lynching. You're not going to get through to him— he has actually claimed the Mayans didn't exist because it's inconsistent with his belief in white European supremacy. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:46:37 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Tue May 26 21:35:36 2015. In the year of 1555, John H. Hawkins and a handful of Black Men, Women and Children set sail for the ‘new world’. The Black people did not know that they were about to be enslaved. As the good ship “Jesus” set sail, the crew of the ship appeared with rifles and guns along with leg irons and chains. When it dawned on these Blacks what was about to happen, the whole ship was in an uproar, and in the confusion, some jumped overboard rather than go into slavery. Others were subdued and put into chains, after which they were put into the hole of the ship , because these trips took about three (3) to five (5) months to complete, and provisions were not plentiful. When they landed some months later in Jamestown, Virginia, the ones who were in charge had already built a large camp for the slaves to live in because this was a very carefully planned project; planned to the last detail. The white man’s intention was to dispossess the Black Man of his whole way of life, and in turn, make a “new” Black man which would serve him faithfully for all of his days. John H. Hawkins was so successful on his first trip of kidnapping these Black people from the East, and selling them into slavery in the West, that he went back to England and bought two (2) more ships, because the Black Men brought so good a price on the slave block, that he knew if he could be successful on a few more trips to the 'new world’ with the Black slaves, he could retire and live a comfortable life in his mother country, England. John H. Hawkins came back tot he East and told them, “Your brothers and sisters are asking for you to come to the 'new world’ and join them, because they are living a better life." So, the Black Men of the East, being nine thousand (9,000) miles from their Black brothers in the 'new world’ and not knowing they are kidnapped and forced into slavery against their will, took John Hawkins as a friend and not as a deceiver. In no time, he had enough to fill his two (2) ships and they sailed for the 'new world’. When John H. Hawkins and his two (2) ships landed in Jamestown, Virginia from the East, these Blacks were also put into the same camp. He noticed the work had already begun on the first Blacks, their studies had shown many valuable points about the Black people, such as; how they prayed, their actions, and many other things. Keep in mind that the Black Man knew his name, country, flag, language, religion, and most of all, his God, Who is Allah. The white men realized that they must take this (the Black Men’s heritage) from them in order to have a life-long slave. STAGE ONE ROBBERY OF THE BLACK MAN’S SELF As we know, the white man’s history teaches that the first slaves were brought to this country, America, (the 'new world’) in 1619 and 1621. As stated in the beginning, the Black Man was taken into captivity in 1555. He was put into camps that were like small cities. These cities had stores for all supplies. The ones in charge had instructions to watch the Black people, day and night, and write everything down on paper that he did; nothing else, just watch him. This was the first stage set-up to rob the Black Man of his identity, of who he is (was). This camp was the receiving point. This is where they would condition the Black Man, and this is the period missing out of his history (1555 to 1620); this is about sixty-five (65) years. STAGE TWO THE GREAT SEPARATION OF THE FIRST BORN Here, every time the Black Women would have a child, they would take the child to different part of the camp. This child would grow up under a white woman. After the child reached the age of six (6) or seven (7), he or she would be shipped to a plantation a little to the west in the deeper south. Sometimes, the states of North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia, to name a few. The Blacks he had now were all of a 'different’ Tribe (nature), and whenever you saw them you would know, because they looked like Brothers and Sisters. Their shades were alike, their height was alike as well as their characteristics. "This must be concealed from them”, said the white man. STAGE THREE THE INJECTION OF FEAR As a result, many Blacks from Africa were brought here during the 1600’s in order to mix with the God Tribe. They, being mixed now with the new arrival of Africans who spoke a different dialect, made it impossible to understand one another when they came in contact. What the white men had learned from the first experiment in the camps was now introduced to every plantation for a guide to follow. Some plantations could hold up to five thousand (5,000) slaves. The main objective on all plantations was to take the baby from its mother, and in turn, let a white woman raise it, or a very trusted Black “Mammy”. By the 1700’s, the white man had produced a new race of people who did not know their names, who did not know their language, who did not know his history, who did not know his culture, who did not know his religion (ISLAM) or God (ALLAH). The third stage was to inject fear into the Blacks. One, which was brought about, was by taking a Black Woman who was pregnant with a child, and tie her hands and feet to a stake. The plantation owner would notify all plantation owners in the radius of one hundred (100) miles to bring their slaves to his plantation. He would then take a knife and cut the child from the Black Woman’s womb, while the others looked on in terror at what the white man had done. If any Black Man came to her aid, the other whites who were watching would shoot him down like a dog. After getting her baby, the white man would take it and drop it to the ground and squash the baby’s head flat. And to this very day, the so-called Negroes fear the white man and do not know the true reason why. Many other acts were committed against the so-called Negroes, such as lynchings, raping and burning them at the stake, to name a few. STAGE FOUR BIRTH OF THE U.S.A. AND ITS WEALTH - HOW? The United States of America came into existence about 1776, after the American Revolution. IN less than one hundred and fifty (150) years, this country became the greatest and richest in the whole world. How did it become so rich? Who made it so wealthy? The answers lie in her slaves. Cotton is an agricultural product produced by the Black men working in the fields all day. This brought on the Civil War. Next, you have steel which put the United States of America on top of the world, indeed. The cotton seeds came from Egypt with the slaves; the ingredients of steel came from Japan. With the Black Man working in the steel mills doing the hardest work for a little or nothing, indeed America is rich. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 22:47:10 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 22:23:33 2015. Why are you changing thread titles?Asked and answered. I'm not. 44. When have I ever changed thread titles in a manner similar to your "robbed by a cop" nonsense? Numbered and added to the list because we all know you can't answer it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 22:48:37 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 26 22:24:45 2015. Shoosh, troll. The adults are talking. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 27 06:38:28 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:37:51 2015. You preach lies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 27 06:39:11 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:38:42 2015. NOI are not wise. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:24:28 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 27 06:38:28 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:26:04 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 27 06:39:11 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:30:55 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:43:57 2015. Stumpy, show me where in your source it says there was slavery in America between 1501 and 1600. No one denies slavery existed in the rest of the world prior to the 1600s. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:43:03 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue May 26 22:46:37 2015. Smurk Intellect...ROTFL!I FEEL SO MISUNDERSTOOD. YOU'LL NEVER UNDERSTAND MY LIFE AND HOW I VIEW THIS CORRUPTED WORLD MADE ME DON'T CARE FOR MUCH BUT RESPECT, FAMILY, UNITY AND PEACE THE ONLY THING I WILL DIE FOR ------------------------------------------ ATTITUDE LIKE FUCK THE WORLD IF U AIN'T WITH ME YOU AGAINST ME LIVING LIFE BY MY OWN RULE ------------------------------------------ ✯✯✯Black∮Water✯✯✯ You really are dumber than a box of rocks, Stumpy! Hawkins sold slaves to the Spanish colonies of Santo Domingo and Venezuela in the late 16th century. Not in North America, Stumpy. And his first voyage was in 1562 for the Caribbean via Sierra Leone. Using Smurk Intellect for a "source"...OMG, that's hysterical! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:43:25 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 27 07:24:28 2015. +100 |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:43:56 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:30:55 2015. North America, that is. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 08:02:27 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:43:56 2015. Present day USA (minus certain territories) and Canada to be precise. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Wed May 27 08:40:28 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 20:10:17 2015. I was asking ftgreeneg. I have no interest in any opinion that might whistle through your head. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 10:40:36 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 08:02:27 2015. Yup. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed May 27 12:20:40 2015, in response to Re: 'White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Nilet on Tue May 26 22:44:45 2015. He's definitely special. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:20:56 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 07:30:55 2015. wise people know this to be true slavery in america started in the 1500s |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 12:28:50 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:20:56 2015. In the Americas yes but not in the part of the Americas comprising of present day US and Canada. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:45:11 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 12:20:56 2015. That excludes you so why do you think slavery in America started in the 1500s when everyone else knows it began in 1619? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:46:39 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 12:45:11 2015. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s teachings place the beginning of our enslavement in North America as follows, “Allah has taught us that our foreparents were deceived and brought into America by a slave-trader whose name was John Hawkins in the year 1555” (Supreme Wisdom, 1957). The teachings relate how Hawkins’ human cargo landed in Jamestown, Virginia, where a scientifically organized slave camp was set up. Children were snatched away from mothers and raised by a White nanny, creating the perfect slave—without trace of memory and imbued with fear.That record has been very difficult to verify historically, for it seems to have been deliberately hidden from history. When a Messenger receives a Revelation, the truth of it may seem incongruous and farfetched, but Allah (God) does not lie, and what He reveals must be shown to be, at least plausible or likely to have occurred. Since the “official records” register that the first slave shipment occurred in 1619 or 64 years later, Khalil Amani pretty much sums up the skepticism that this Revelation has aroused, calling it in his characteristic “ghetto” language, “a lie,” without giving the Revelation the benefit of a doubt or empirical research. “… What I want to know is what book (other than the N.O.I. ...) can we find that our ancestors came to Jamestown in 1555? ... None of our great black historians (Josef Ben-Jochannan, Chiekh Anta Diop, J.A. Rodgers, Lerone Bennett Jr., Carter G. Woodson, etc.) wrote that there were Black(s)…that landed on the shores of Jamestown in 1555.” The slave master’s information about his slave-making methodology, obviously, would not be available to any and all Black historians. The 64 years, we respectfully suggest, hides the process of the breaking-in and making over that transformed an independent self-sufficient leader and warrior into being called a “Negro,” a fearful, subservient and utterly dependent slave. The process is tantamount to a corporate “trade secret” not easily accessed by our scholars and historians. It hides a methodology that, if known, would lend to deconstructing the blueprint that is still used to keep us from accessing the power within that will propel our group to go for self. It would be totally naïve to expect the enemy to make this methodology readily available for us to understand and unravel the mental, psychological, biological and emotional chains that have practically made our people perpetual slaves. So, we must use an historian detective’s tool to track down any signs left behind by the enemy that might confirm that this event could have taken place. We will use “deductive” and “hypothetical” reasoning as well as circumstantial evidence as investigative tools. There are several questions that should be answered to ascertain the validity of a John Hawkins’ likelihood to have made a slave trading voyage in 1555: What was the political and military power that ruled trade in the Americas in 1555? When the kingdom of Castile (Spain), through Christopher Columbus, opened America to Europe, the papal seat was held by a Spaniard, Rodrigo Borgia or Pope Alexander VI. At the request of Spain, Pope Alexander issued a bull (decree) that divided the whole world between Spain and Portugal. Undiscovered non-Christian lands to the west of the line were to be Spanish possessions and those to the east belonged to Portugal; thus by all practical purposes in 1555 Spain had exclusive rights involving any trade made in the Americas. slavery_abuse1792.jpg Illustration shows an incident of an enslaved African girl whipped to death for refusing to dance naked on the deck of the slave ship Recovery, a slaver owned by Bristol merchants. In response to outrage by abolitionists, Captain Kimber was brought up on charges before the High Court of Admiralty in June 1792, but acquitted of all charges. Library of Congress, Digital ID: cph.3g06204. Were there any attempts by the Spanish Crown to colonize North America and establish a slave-holding society? Several attempts were made to colonize North America, including the failed attempt by Lucas Vásquez de Ayllón who sailed from Santo Domingo to settle South Carolina in 1526 with 500 men, including 100 Black slaves (the first Black slaves in North America). The expedition was beset by illnesses and mutiny; as a consequence the 100 Black slaves fled, joined and settled with the Native Americans. What was England’s political backdrop prior to 1555? King Henry VIII, who renounced allegiance to the Catholic pope (on account of the Vatican refusal to grant him a divorce), died in 1547; King Edward VI, his son, expired in 1553, which opened the way for Henry VIII’s daughter with Catherine of Aragon (daughter of Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain), Mary Tudor, to become queen. Mary, a devout Catholic, attempted to re-establish the Catholic faith in England. In 1554 Mary Tudor married Phillip II, King of Spain, and in the interim Phillip becomes King of England by marriage. So, in 1555 the British and Spanish monarchs were one and the same, which under extraordinary circumstances may have given access, with special permission, to a British subject to establish a slave-trade in the exclusive possessions of Spain in the American continent. Did a significant event occur in the life of John Hawkins that would indicate his involvement in some secret but extraordinary feat? James A. Williamson in his Hawkins of Plymouth uncovers very significant information that merits more investigation. While Phillip II and Mary Tudor (1554-1555) were negotiating their marriage, some of Phillip’s emissaries travelled through Plymouth, utilizing the services of its leading firm of ship owners, the Hawkins. It seems that in that interval the young John Hawkins met with King Phillip. “Philip came in peace in 1555 to marry the Queen of England and confirm an Anglo-Spanish alliance …” What occurred during Philip’s stay in England in 1555 is very significant. Williamson cites a document from the Archives of the Indies in Spain that is very transcendental and which may shed some light about the activities of John Hawkins that year. A Spaniard who knew Hawkins asserted that when Philip landed in England he conferred a knighthood on Hawkins for some special service rendered. Footnote: This statement was made by the pilot Juanes de Urquiza. It occurs in a document in the Archives of the Indies cited by Miss I. A. Wright in Spanish Documents concerning English Voyages to the Caribbean, Hakluyt Society, 1929, p. 79n. Could it have been that Hawkins arranged a secret slave trip to a very secret place in North America at the behest of the Spanish monarch? Phillip II arrived in England during the summer 1554 and remained until September 1555. Therefore, King Phillip had ample opportunity to commission young Hawkins a task across the Atlantic that would take over six months to complete; most likely accomplished before King Phillip’s departure in September 1555. Indeed that possibility cannot be ruled out, since to grant a knighthood to a 23-year-old man is a most extraordinary honor, and whatever Hawkins did to earn this title must have been a feat of lasting historic consequences. If Hawkins engaged in the abduction and transportation of slaves in 1555, this evidence points out that it may have been under Spanish, rather than British directives. The relationship between King Philip and Hawkins lasted for many years and Hawkins “persistently referred at a later stage to King Phillip II as “my old master…” In 1571 Hawkins played double agent and was involved with Phillip II in a plot to assassinate Elizabeth I. However, Hawkins changed sides and his information helped to have the main conspirators arrested and executed. Queen Mary Tudor’s reign lasted until 1558; and subsequently when her half-sister Elizabeth I was enthroned, she reverted to the Anglican Church and made use of pirates and corsairs to debilitate the Spanish stronghold in the Americas. Conclusion: England was not involved with the transatlantic slave trade in 1555; if a slave trading took place it could only have occurred under Spanish patronage. Coincidentally, in 1555 the Spanish and British Monarchs were one and the same. As far back as 1526 the Spanish Crown attempted to establish a colony in North America, which included 100 African slaves. An extraordinary commission took place in 1555 involving John Hawkins under the direct orders of King Phillip II of Spain for which Hawkins was knighted, according to an account reported and recorded in the Archives of the Indies in Seville, Spain. What could this commission have been? The fact that Hawkins was knighted means that he accomplished it successfully. Young men tend to repeat their successful endeavors later on in life. In 1562 Hawkins initiated an open and public slave trading business; was he repeating the feat that earned him a knighthood in 1555? On account of the above deductive and hypothetical reasoning we cannot discard the Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s revelation that John Hawkins took part in a slave trading voyage in 1555 as a lie. The empirical questions and data posed above leaves open that possibility. We invite historians to continue to unveil these 64 hidden years in our history. Sources: James Williamson, James A. Hawkins of Plymouth. London: Adam and Charles Black, 1949. Khalil Amani, Ghetto Religiosity III: If You don’t Know, Now You Know. Lincoln: iUniverse, 2003. Lerone Bennett Jr., Before the Mayflower. Chicago: Johnson Publishing, 1962. William Loren Katz, Black Indians: A Hidden Heritage. New York: Atheneum, 1986. http://goo.gl/cVhSL, http://goo.gl/FFU11, http://goo.gl/iRmva |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 14:09:31 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:46:39 2015. From The Final Call, NOI's official newspaper. And you really think this is more authoritative than the Smithsonian and historians at UC-Berkeley? ROTFL! You take the cake, Stumpy! |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 14:11:02 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 14:09:31 2015. the real sources are at the bottom of the page overlooked by you !!you lose again davey from texass |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 14:38:58 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:46:39 2015. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad’s teachingsElijah Muhammad was a fraud. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 14:47:42 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 14:38:58 2015. malcolm made the mistake of listening to wallace d poolemessenger elijah muhammads hypocrite son so he lost his mind too and whent crazy grew beards and went insane |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 27 15:42:53 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Dave on Wed May 27 14:09:31 2015. If he was the only one who thought so, it wouldn't be a societal problem. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed May 27 16:16:28 2015, in response to Re: ‘White Privilege’ Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 27 15:42:53 2015. Good point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 27 19:26:10 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 27 12:28:50 2015. Why are you even bothering? His beliefs are crazier than Ologism. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed May 27 19:36:15 2015, in response to Re: White Privilege Responsible for Baltimore Riots, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed May 27 13:46:39 2015. Interesting. |
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