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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 08:33:32 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Dec 21 08:27:28 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d That does not indicate satisfaction with what happened yesterday. A serious charge like that ought to be backed up.
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Dec 21 08:39:43 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 07:42:29 2014. fiogf49gjkf0d The right wants to turn race relations back to the 1920s.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Dec 21 08:40:31 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:33:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d When he has been quick to comment about other deaths involving police officers yes it does. Martin, Brown and Garner he has been one of the first and loudest critics of police officers and wannabe police officers. Now this happens and he is conspicuously silent except to chime in that Michael Brown was murdered. The assasination of two police officers merely for being police officers was provoked by recent grand jury events so by his silence except to bring up the grand jury events salaam is supporting what took place
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 08:43:09 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 07:28:51 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The guy took it on himself to shoot the cops Just because people are protesting a grand jury decision or two doesn't mean they advocate shooting cops. Your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sun Dec 21 08:44:10 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:33:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d This has awoken a sleeping lion. Dividers like sharpton will have ev n less sympathy for his shit after rousing people up like this.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 08:46:15 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 08:44:10 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Lol what bullshit
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 08:55:00 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Dec 21 08:40:31 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Utter bullshit. I dislike the overwhelming majority of his posts but what he doesn't say can't be held against him.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 08:56:35 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 08:43:09 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well, a few of them did.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 08:57:43 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:32:29 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d There needs to be a public explanation of these procedural outcomes and one that's in line with what you just stated would satisfy a sane and reasonable person. Instead we just got the end result with no explanation leaving a sense of doubt that things were conducted fairly. Your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 09:03:48 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:56:35 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d And violence has been condemned by the majority of the protesters Just like the tea party has condemned racism Your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by cortelyounext* on Sun Dec 21 09:04:08 2014, in response to 2 COPS SHOT, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Dec 20 17:16:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d For reasons beyond my ability to comprehend and for reasons many here are seemingly able to comprehend, a couple hopelessly innocent and defenseless NYPD officers going about their work were slaughtered by a maniacal coward, leaving behind a wife, children, parents, siblings, friends. Isn't that enough? It took all of a couple minutes last evening for this thread to deteriorate and drift into the gutter through allegory and allegation and accusation never mind all the rest. With all respect, shut it. There is a time and place for all that but a couple of cops are dead and gone while the grief and sorrow went along with them. The mourning never lasted until the morning.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 09:13:03 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Dec 21 09:04:08 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The mourning never lasted until the morning I see what you did there. Your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Dec 21 09:20:41 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:55:00 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes it can in the limited circumstance where one is outspoken and when the tables are turned is conspicuously silent
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 09:29:23 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Dec 21 09:20:41 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Your are espousing the leftist radical view of "if you're not with us, you're against us." Consider yourself. You frequently have criticized the rants of Salaam and others on the far left. Have you ever called out rkba, The Silence, or vfrt for their racism? Can I assume that your silence is consent?
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 09:38:15 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by mtk52983 on Sun Dec 21 08:40:31 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I think you're posing a standard that you yourself don't want to be held by. Your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by mtk52983* on Sun Dec 21 09:41:18 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 09:29:23 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I believe I have called out the likes of rkba, chicagomotorman and olog-hai. The Silence and vfrt do not post as frequently so in all likelihood I have called them out less
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:15:12 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Dave on Sun Dec 21 08:25:14 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Wrong as usual. So tell me, do all conservatives have trouble understanding nuance and context or is it just all the ones on OTChat?
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:15:44 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 07:45:04 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Your statement is gibberish. Please correct it and try again.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:16:19 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Dave on Sun Dec 21 08:18:27 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You haven't been reading the news these past few years.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:18:32 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 08:46:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I love how he thinks the people trying to end segregation are "dividers."
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:19:55 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:32:29 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d There are all sorts of political reasons for not going after the witnesses who obviously perjured themselves. Well yeah. Wilson's a cop. Cops are never charged with perjury no matter how blatant the lie.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by cortelyounext* on Sun Dec 21 10:24:41 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 21 10:19:55 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Cops are never charged with perjury... Are you absolutely certain about that?
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by cortelyounext* on Sun Dec 21 10:25:16 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Dec 21 10:24:41 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Never mind. Nuance and context.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Nilet* on Sun Dec 21 10:28:25 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by cortelyounext on Sun Dec 21 10:25:16 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ah, so you understood that "never" meant "with such rarity that the risk is negligible." If a million crimes are committed and three criminals are actually prosecuted, a new criminal would be justified in saying "I might as well break the law, since crimes are never prosecuted" and the three rare prosecutions would not contradict the colloquially understood meaning of that statement.
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FALSE -Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 21 10:41:30 2014, in response to MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 21 03:32:20 2014. fiogf49gjkf0d "MoveOn volunteers reviewed this petition and determined that it either may not reflect MoveOn members' progressive values, or that MoveOn members may disagree about whether to support this petition. MoveOn will not promote the petition beyond hosting it on our site. "
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Dave* on Sun Dec 21 10:46:08 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 08:32:29 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, the witness ftgreeneg was probably referring to is a white woman. That's the witness that's been in the news. There are a couple of other witnesses, both black, whom the local St. Louis media have reported also may have committed perjury. That's what I was referring to.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:05:27 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 21 10:18:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL the "centrist". your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Dave* on Sun Dec 21 11:07:00 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 21 10:15:12 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d If you knew how to write a coherent sentence, there would be less misunderstanding.
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Re: FALSE -Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 11:11:00 2014, in response to FALSE -Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 21 10:41:30 2014. fiogf49gjkf0d Repost. Not that Olog cares either way.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 11:13:39 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Dave on Sun Dec 21 10:46:08 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Plenty of political reasons for the DA not to go after any of them for perjury. He's just trying to minimize damage to his career.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by AlM* on Sun Dec 21 11:15:56 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 08:44:10 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d ??? I don't think Sharpton knows Salaam or Dave or cares about them at all.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by SLRT* on Sun Dec 21 11:23:31 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 21 10:28:25 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d And the people who gave, very publicly, often contradictory stories indicting the cop and making Brown an innocent, won't be charged with perjury.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by SLRT* on Sun Dec 21 11:25:41 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Nilet on Sun Dec 21 02:58:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Cuba?
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 21 11:29:47 2014, in response to FALSE -Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by italianstallion on Sun Dec 21 10:41:30 2014. fiogf49gjkf0d Still not false. They ain't removing it. And you completely ignored "Click here if you think MoveOn should support this petition." Wonder why?
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 21 11:30:54 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by LuchAAA on Sun Dec 21 03:50:52 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nope. He lied to get into office. NYers are still sore at him for snow-plowing his neighborhood before any other part of the city.
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 21 11:34:24 2014, in response to Re: FALSE -Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 11:11:00 2014. fiogf49gjkf0d That review disclaimer wasn't there when I posted this to the thread. They also changed the signature goal: There are currently 45,642 signatures. NEW goal — We need 50,000 signatures! So the support for that at the grassroots level is real, and not because of non-liberals. Ready to sign?
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:34:44 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 21 11:23:31 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Like witness #40? However, unlike Johnson, “Witness 40”--a 45-year-old St. Louis resident named Sandra McElroy--was nowhere near Canfield Drive on the Saturday afternoon Brown was shot to death. your pal, Fred
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:36:36 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 21 11:29:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Just cop to the fact that you lied about the poll being one of MoveOne.org's polls and move on to the next topic. your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by SLRT* on Sun Dec 21 11:37:56 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 11:34:44 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Ah, your poster girl doesn't nullify my point.
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:38:33 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 11:36:36 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d That review disclaimer wasn't there when I posted this to the thread. I retract my previous comment then and apologize. your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:41:11 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by SLRT on Sun Dec 21 11:37:56 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You overlooked that one :) your pal, Fred
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 21 11:45:47 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 11:38:33 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d No sweat. Thanks a bunch. I still haven't had sunday breakfast. Any suggestions?
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Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead)
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 11:47:48 2014, in response to Re: MoveOn.org petition calls for De Blasio's resignation (2 Cops Shot Dead), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Dec 21 11:45:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well I'm jonesing for bagels and lox, so that's the best idea I have to offer. Runner up to that is huevos rancheros. your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sun Dec 21 12:05:43 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by Fred G on Sun Dec 21 11:05:27 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Segregation??? What the fuck....seriously. This not about race. Its about the attack on men and women of law enforcent...of all races. Since when are all cops white? The two killed were Hispanic and Asian. It could have been black officers, white, whoever. Riled up piece of crap did this. Riled up by people like sharpton and even our asshole mayor.
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Were people "clapping and laughing" at the scene? (2 cops shot)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Dec 21 12:06:09 2014, in response to 2 COPS SHOT, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Dec 20 17:16:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Sad that Wilhelm's attempt at sounding conciliatory implies that he still thinks there will be "time for politics" (of his brand) in the future. AP via Daily Mail Eyewitness claims 'people were CLAPPING AND LAUGHING' at the scene where two cops were killed Mayor Bill de Blasio and police commissioner William Bratton gave a joint news conference following the murder of two police officers Saturday Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley, 28, shot his girlfriend in Baltimore then traveled to Brooklyn to kill police officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos Bratton said the two officers were 'quote simply assassinated' Mayor de Blasio stated that this murder was an attack on all of New York as he said this is 'not a time for politics' Hundreds of officers lined the street at the Woodhull medical Center and silently saluted as the bodies of the two police officers were driven away Saturday evening By Associated Press Published: 20:08 EST, 20 December 2014 \| Updated: 08:51 EST, 21 December 2014 Mayor Bill de Blasio said this is 'not the time for politics' following the murder of two police officers in Brooklyn on Saturday. This as New York City's police commissioner said the gunman who ambushed and killed two police officers had made online posts that were 'very anti-police.' Police Commissioner William Bratton choked up at a news conference at the Woodhull medical Center on Saturday afternoon as he talked about the fatal shootings of two officers in Brooklyn's Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood. Meanwhile, an eyewitness who spoke to The Daily Beast said that 'a lot of people were clapping and laughing' following the murder of the two police officers. 'Some were saying, "They deserved it," and another was shouting at the cops, "Serves them right because you mistreat people!"'said the man, identified as Carlos. 'Every New Yorker should feel they were attacked, that our entire city was attacked, by this heinous individual,' said de Blasio. 'When a police officer is murdered it tears at the foundation of our society. It is an attack on all of us.' De Blasio added; 'Our city is in mourning. Our hearts are heavy. We lost two good men who devoted their lives to protecting all of us.' Mayor de Blasio and Bratton also talked of meeting with the family of the victims, Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos. Liu was just married, and Ramos has a 13-year-old son. Hundreds of members of the NYPD turned their back to Mayor de Blasio as he entered the news conference Saturday evening, and later these same officers lined the streets and silently saluted as the bodies of the two slain officers were taken away. In a statement Saturday night, Attorney General Eric Holder condemned the shooting deaths as senseless and 'an unspeakable act of barbarism.' Bratton said the gunman shot and wounded his former girlfriend in Baltimore earlier Saturday and made posts from her Instagram account. Authorities didn't get into the specifics of the contents of the posts, but two officials said that he posted about shooting two 'pigs' in retaliation for the death of Eric Garner. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly. Ismaaiyl Abdullah Brinsley, 28, shot his girlfriend in Baltimore on Saturday morning then traveled to Brooklyn, New York City, to kill officers Liu and Ramos before turning the gun on himself. Liu and Ramos may have not even seen the gunman before they were shot, Bratton said. The family of Michael Brown released a statement condemning the shootings, this after reports the killer had mentioned the name of the murdered teenager on his Instagram early Saturday. 'We reject any kind of violence directed toward members of law enforcement. It cannot be tolerated. We must work together to bring peace to our communities,' they said. 'Our thoughts and prayers go out to the officers’ families during this incredibly difficult time.' Governor Andrew Cuomo released a statement Saturday evening saying; 'Tonight, the thoughts and prayers of all New Yorkers are with the family and friends of New York City police officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos, who were assassinated in the line of duty. 'This deplorable act of violence is the opposite of what New York is and what New Yorkers believe in. These brave officers, along with the over 34,000 other uniformed men and women of the New York Police Department, put their lives on the line every day to keep our communities safe. They run toward danger when all of our instincts tell us to run away. Tonight, we all come together to mourn the loss of these brave souls.' Funny the side mention of Michael Brown's alleged family. Brown didn't have a "family". He was abandoned by both his biological parents (apparently teens when he was born) and raised by his grandmother. Michael Brown "senior", Bloods leader Louis Head (the "stepfather" who only married the mother earlier this year and not involved in Brown's life—although police reports still show them unmarried) and Lesley McSpadden were never in that kid's life. That makes all of those he left behind, save the overburdened grandmother, a bunch of vulture-like opportunists.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sun Dec 21 12:06:48 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by AlM on Sun Dec 21 11:15:56 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d ?????
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Fred G* on Sun Dec 21 12:16:35 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Dec 21 12:05:43 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Posted in the wrong spot. your pal, Fred
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Dec 21 12:40:01 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 20 19:06:05 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It's pretty hard for both sides to have a dialogue when the mayor excludes one side from the discussions. Dinkins was incompetent. This ass hole is just a failure.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Dec 21 12:41:29 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Dec 20 20:14:17 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Still waiting for one of you to tell me what rally this lone miscreant was encouraged by? It's just another liberal red herring.
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Re: 2 COPS SHOT
Posted by Train Dude* on Sun Dec 21 12:42:40 2014, in response to Re: 2 COPS SHOT, posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Dec 21 02:50:04 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d What grand jury "TRIAL"? Please enlighten me.
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