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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014, in response to Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by orange blossom special on Fri Dec 12 15:06:38 2014. Seriously, they haven't [yet] learned the hard lesson the Republicans learned after the Goldwater debacle in 1964. The GOP realized they weren't going to win another Presidential election if they kept on keeping on. So they reformed and Nixon won in 1968 against a decent man (Humphrey) and again in 1972 because the Dems put up a man (McGovern) way out of the mainstream, even for the Viet Nam war era.Right now, what I hear from the Democrats and especially the Progressive wing is that they were beaten bloody because they weren't LEFTIST ENOUGH. This is part of the "losing is really winning" school. Keep thinking that way, Guys. Elizabeth Warren will be a shoo-in in two years, right? |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Dec 12 16:45:52 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. Stupid is as stupid was. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 16:51:08 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. Right now, what I hear from the Democrats and especially the Progressive wing is that they were beaten bloody because they weren't LEFTIST ENOUGH.Right now, what I hear from many Republicans and especially the Conservative wing is that they were beaten bloody (in 2012) because they weren't RIGHTIST ENOUGH. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 12 17:16:05 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. LOL. After 1964, the GOP had lost 2 Presidential elections in a row.By 2016, the Dems would have WON 2 Presidential elections in a row. Yeah, it's totally the same situation. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 12 17:22:54 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. Goldwater was a liberal; that's why they lost. |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Dec 12 19:08:47 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. Way too early to tell anything yet. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:24:36 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 16:23:36 2014. The Democrats stayed home last election. There was no enlightenment of the electorate that drew them to the Republicans. It was that the Republicans voted and the Democrats did not. The Republicans campaign and the Democrats did notThis is still a 51-49 country. Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:26:59 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:24:36 2014. And furthermore today's news is that Elizabeth Warren strongly pushed for Democrats not to support the House budget bill, and lost.But that contradicts the official story line. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:32:22 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:26:59 2014. I don't get my political news or savvy from OTChat.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:37:59 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 16:51:08 2014. The Republicans won in 2014 by taking the lesson of taming the Tea Party. 2012 is history. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:47:02 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by italianstallion on Fri Dec 12 17:16:05 2014. What?1968 GOP 1972 GOP 1976 Democrat 1980 GOP 1984 GOP 1988 GOP 1992 Democrat 1996 Democrat 2000 GOP 2004 GOP 2008 Democrat 2012 Democrat I don't follow either your reasoning or your math. Are you saying a Democrat will ride in on Obama's coattails? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:47:54 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 12 17:22:54 2014. What are YOU smoking? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:48:21 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:37:59 2014. Well, we'll see if Jeb Bush or Chris Christie can win any primaries. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:50:14 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Dec 12 17:22:54 2014. The whole John Birch Society was liberal, too.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:51:01 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:48:21 2014. Jeb Bush v. Hillary Clinton might actually be a good election. So it won't happen lolyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:52:18 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:24:36 2014. Well, keep thinking that 2014 was an aberration and that sensible Americans will naturally go back to the Democrats by default. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:52:25 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:47:02 2014. You said "Seriously, they haven't [yet] learned the hard lesson the Republicans learned after the Goldwater debacle in 1964."1960 Democrat 1964 Democrat Then the GOP ran a moderate. 2008 Democrat 2012 Democrat And now ??? So yes maybe the GOP will run a moderate. But that's not the message you're trying to convey. You're suggesting it's the Democrats whose strategy has been bad. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:54:36 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 19:51:01 2014. Hillary doesn't have that "New Car Smell." I can't really believe O was quite himself when he used that phrase. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:02:24 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:52:18 2014. I don't think it was an aberration but simply that Democrats didn't go to vote. It's still a 51-49 country.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:03:21 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 19:52:25 2014. I'm not talking about the GOP at all. They might well screw things up for themselves.Some Democrats seem to get it. Like Schumer. As long as other Democrats think that they don't have a systemic problem which has to be addressed they are giving the GOP a gift. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:04:48 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 19:54:36 2014. We don't need the new car smell. After 2 years of a GOP Congress, things may even out.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:05:30 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:02:24 2014. OK. Why didn't the Democrats go out to vote? And why will they in 2016? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:08:18 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:03:21 2014. I'm not talking about the GOP at all.And that's why your analogy is messed up. Because the 2008-12 pattern is exactly the 1960-1964 pattern. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:08:34 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:04:48 2014. You're hoping the GOP will smell worse in 2016 then the Democrats did in 2014? You don't believe the Democrats have anything to reform. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:09:22 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:05:30 2014. Lazy, maybe? Once every 4 years is all they have the energy for? |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:11:51 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:08:18 2014. How? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:13:43 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:08:34 2014. You don't believe the Democrats have anything to reform.Would you care to explain what Democrats lost in 2014 because they were excessively liberal, and what excessively liberal positions they held? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:15:34 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:05:30 2014. Presidential elections draw voters more than mid-terms do. Laziness is the main cause IMO.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:20:58 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:08:34 2014. No because it's a 51-49 country. The 2 parties are like 2 restaurants. One restaurant is popular and everybody goes there while they pass up the other restaurant. After a while the popular restaurant gets sloppy, like maybe the tablecloths aren't clean or the service gets bad. So then people look at the 2nd restaurant and say "lets give them a try". And then things shift.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:22:58 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:13:43 2014. Look at the last six years of a "transformative Progressive" president. If you think that was all good, I couldn't convince you otherwise. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:26:22 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:20:58 2014. You think politics is like a carousel and it will come around to the Democrat's side? If that were really true, we could save a lot of money and aggravation holding elections. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:28:05 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:15:34 2014. I guess we'll see. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:31:16 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:26:22 2014. When you have 2 stupid parties, yeah it bounces back and forth. I mean what does the GOP have to offer us in the next 2 years?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:32:39 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:22:58 2014. Things are better than they were 6 years ago, without a doubt.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:43:12 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:32:39 2014. Then the Democrats should reasonably have regained the House, kept the Senate, the Governors and the State Legislatures that they lost. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:44:39 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:31:16 2014. What did the Democrats have to offer for these same two years? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:47:00 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:43:12 2014. They didnt' campaign on that but in effect, ran away from that. They should have embraced Obama, the ACA and the fact that our economy is better than it's been in 6 years. But no.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:54:10 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:26:22 2014. 538 offers some evidence that trends keep changing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:55:59 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:44:39 2014. Stimulus, ACA, 2 sane Supreme CT Justices, no new wars.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:56:17 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 20:22:58 2014. What liberal stuff did Obama do?Obamacare = Romneycare. His position on immigration is that of establishment Republicans. Federal income tax rates are lower than under Clinton. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:58:33 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:54:10 2014. Oh you bringing that 538 business up again? I remember last time and the results were hilariousyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 21:00:24 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 20:56:17 2014. Obama is a centrist President, kind of like Eisenhower.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 21:23:54 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:47:00 2014. It never works to run away from the President from your party, just as running away from Bush didn't help the GOP in 2006. But embracing that same man whose popularity hasn't been north of 45% in over a year doesn't seem like a plan either. |
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Posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 21:35:04 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:55:59 2014. Apparently many do not perceive those as you do.It reminds me of 1956. After Ike won for the second time my brother said to me: "I don't understand it. Our parents voted for Stevenson and the parents of all my friends voted for Stevenson. So how could Eisenhower win?" |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 12 21:51:07 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 21:00:24 2014. Lol. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 12 21:52:00 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 20:20:58 2014. Yes....that is correct |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Dec 12 21:53:44 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Dec 12 21:51:07 2014. You're laughing, but you can't name any truly liberal thing Obama has done either. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 22:00:43 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 21:23:54 2014. The approval rating sets them running; it's self fulfillingyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Dec 12 22:02:39 2014, in response to Re: Democrats quickly losing their chances for 2016 and 2018, posted by SLRT on Fri Dec 12 21:35:04 2014. I think they were good ideas. I think the stimulus should have been massive and just been purely spent on infrastructure construction. They should have spent what they spent in Iraq here.your pal, Fred |
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