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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:12:25 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 12:53:06 2014. But theCatholic Church doesn't say that about it. You said yourself this was some antiquated idea from "years ago" (even taking what you say at face value which is not advisable to begin with). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:30:17 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 12:53:06 2014. I see no reason to believe you. How about some official information? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:33:40 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 12:53:06 2014. And in any event, it doesn't matter what the Catholic Church says about it. Your original claim was about Christianity in general. You are now narrowing it to Catholicism in a failed attempt to salvage your claim. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:39:35 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:07:07 2014. That's because all of you are terribly misguided. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:41:38 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:12:22 2014. Noa you didn't, because you are wrong to begin with, and based your errant claim on inferior information. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:42:10 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:39:35 2014. No we're not. We're what's called "correct". |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:42:49 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:41:38 2014. No, I was not wrong to begin with, and I made no claims. I made statements that are correct. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:42:53 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:12:25 2014. I'm no antique. Your school failed you.Take it up with a priest sometime. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:44:31 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:25:34 2014. There are numerous references in the Bible to God being the ruler of the universe and that everything is within the domain of God. Therefore, there is nothing "that which is Cæsar's."Cæsar is not a generic term for a temporal ruler. It refers to a specific political figure whom most Jews resented the influence of. The argument was specifically about whether taxes should be paid to Rome, not Jerusalem. Note that the validity of my argument is itself not at issue. My initial statement ("That interpretation is disputed") is correct as long as any significant Christian groups disagree with bingbong's interpretation. I have demonstrated that with the link I previously posted. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:46:14 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:33:40 2014. She loves moving the goal posts, and she actually believes people don't realize it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:48:12 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:39:35 2014. The only ones that are misguided are those that would be dumb enough to take anything you say as reality or fact. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:48:43 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:42:53 2014. Oh yes, that "must" be it. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:50:01 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014. Technically she's not, as her claim was that his agreeing with me is tantamount to making my claim himself. That is wrong for different reasons altogether. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:56:47 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:42:10 2014. Feh. Hardly. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:03:42 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:30:17 2014. So what's the claim, that the Catholic Church interprets "Render unto Caesar" as a positive endorsement of the value of government? It's hard to tell at this point.But if that's the claim, I've never heard it said either and wouldn't believe it without sources. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 14:11:49 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 14:03:42 2014. Her claim is that the Catholic Church interprets "Render unto Caesar" as a mandate to pay taxes to the temporal government. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 12 17:00:08 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:16:00 2014. Your imprimatur, sir ... :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 12 18:18:17 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 13:44:31 2014. Well ... in the great earthly ways, everything is up to being "disputed" ... that's just how humans roll.Here's MY take on it FWIW: Paragraph 1 is what he was talking about. There is God's "property" and humans took it upon themselves to create their own property such as governments and such. What His argument was about Caesar was that human creations are not God's creations and therefore he drew the line there. In other words, religion is not a justification to shirk the obligations of civilization. Wish I had more time to ponder this and provide a better answer, but I'm busy right now. Let's just say that the various Christian sects which broke away from Catholicism and went their own way are much like Jewish sects which similarly went with their own interpretations of things to the dismay of other groups. The intent of Jesus' lesson was pretty much a separation of church and state. And even more curious, Jesus never intended to create a church in the first place, less one that would be collecting its own taxes as a form of governance. :) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 12 19:27:24 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 13:56:47 2014. Nope. We are. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 20:15:47 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 12 18:18:17 2014. If Jesus never intended to build a Church, that would imply that the very existence of Catholicism is wrong and so everything they interpret is suspect. I find that unlikely.Also, separation of church and state dates back to the 18th Century. All states before then had official religions and all rulers ruled "By the Grace of God." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 12 20:28:22 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 20:15:47 2014. OK, Olog. :)And yeah to the first, he did NOT intend to have a church built around him, he had intended to reform Judaism. If you want to have some fun with that, google the various misinterpretations of "Thou art Peter and upon this rock, I shall build my church." (Matthew 16:18) It was philosophical, not literal. See? OCD existed even then. Heh. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:15:35 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 13:48:12 2014. As someone who rarely if ever backs up what they say, I wouldn't say that at all.Your word is as good as mine. Prove what you say. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:18:32 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014. He has right here in this thread. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:19:47 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Jun 12 19:27:24 2014. Wrong, that is. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jun 12 21:53:23 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:15:35 2014. I am not the one making any claims..... Determining your statements suspect does not imply making claims of my own. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:55:02 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Jun 12 21:53:23 2014. You'e claiming I'm wrong. That's a claim as well. I know that is not the case. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 04:51:32 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:55:02 2014. So prove you are right. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:15:06 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:19:47 2014. It is not. When have you ever been right when we disagreed with you? Name one single instance. Just one. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:16:53 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:15:35 2014. His word is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than yours!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:17:24 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 21:18:32 2014. Nope. Learn how to read. No one agrees with you. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:02:52 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 04:51:32 2014. As I said, ask any priest. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:04:52 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:02:52 2014. He doesn't have to. You made the claim. You back it up. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:05:12 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:15:06 2014. Whothe hell is "we"? You? LOL! |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:10:08 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:16:53 2014. Wrong. Any persons word is equal, just as people are. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:10:32 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:05:12 2014. "We" is almost everyone on OTChat. When have you ever been right when we disagreed with you? Name one single instance. Just one. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:11:07 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Jun 13 07:17:24 2014. Wrong. And stay out of conversations you know nothing about. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:11:28 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:10:08 2014. Wow, are you delusional? You are completely incorrect. Do you know how the world works?? His word is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better than yours!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:12:42 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:11:07 2014. Nope, not wrong. And I already do not comment on matters I know nothing about, except when I include a disclaimer noting such. In this case of this thread, I only commented on that which I know about. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:30:43 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:02:52 2014. Not a chance. You made the absurd claim....you back it up or we just chalk it up to your usual band standing as we expect from you anyway. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:31:22 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:05:12 2014. Everyone knows your game here. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:32:00 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:10:08 2014. Not at all. You are one of the LEAST reliable people here. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:33:10 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:12:42 2014. She just wants people the know nothing about a topic so they would believe and accept any of the bile she pushes. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:39:53 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:30:43 2014. It's not an absurd "claim". It is among the truths the church teaches about that statement(there are others, but for the case of the slow and OCD-ed here, we'll stick to just one). Any priest will back it up. Even Selkirk, who did seminary, said so. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:40:33 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:04:52 2014. He was told where to get an answer. i can't do it for him. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:42:52 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jun 13 09:11:28 2014. I know how the world works, and by that I mean the real one,outside of the echo chamber you're living in. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 13 10:08:34 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 09:39:53 2014. And as I've pointed out, such interpretation is not universally accepted among all Christians. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jun 13 10:16:06 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 13 10:08:34 2014. And in the absence of evidence I would also not assume it is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church. I do believe that it is the personal opinion of quite a few priests. I vaguely remember having heard sermons suggesting that "render unto Caesar" implies an obligation for most Catholics to participate in an appropriate way in the secular world. It might even be taught that way in some seminaries and/or some Catholic schools. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 10:26:11 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 13 10:08:34 2014. I was solely talking about Catholics. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 10:36:06 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Jun 13 09:32:00 2014. While you rarely if ever back p anything you say. And when you do have a link, it's usually some RW echo chamber site. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 13 10:40:17 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Fri Jun 13 10:26:11 2014. No, you weren't. Once again you're moving the goalposts. |
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