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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:21:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 1 17:00:36 2014. +10 |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:24:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Fred G on Sat May 31 22:38:11 2014. They used the medical industry far less often than they will now. I have no problem with that concept since I believe that every US Citizen should have access to comprehensive health coverage. What I am saying is that the obamites have not taken into account the overloading of the system by the new clients. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:25:12 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:18:07 2014. I ask doctors that I know, and they are all unamimously against it. And I live in obamasville. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 19:25:14 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 1 17:00:36 2014. My Wife does what? We do not live in New York or Florida . |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:29:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jun 1 19:25:14 2014. Hey Dan, is broadcaster Jim West still alive? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:30:09 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:18:07 2014. I ask doctors that I know, and they are all unamimously against it. And I live in obamasville. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:30:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:11:23 2014. Actually, I got my benefits under George Pataki but what the heck are a few misleading statements if they bolster your argument. But as long as you mentioned it, Under the democrats from 2009 to the present, NY State Civil Service managers have not received a pay raise except via promotion. I'm certain that you can verify that if you wish. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:31:54 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:17:21 2014. You're wrong. Most are in favor of it, as it will enable them to increase their bottom line by bringing in more warm bodies. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:32:13 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:25:12 2014. I have 4 doctors that belong to a social group that I belong to in addition to my regular physicians and specialists that I see annually.Not one is in favor of obamacare. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:30:15 2014. You're still missing the point. You got "cadillac gubbamint insurance" ... that is NOT what the private sector gets. Very large groups also get better discounts and coverage and when politicians have to put their name on it, rest assured that it ain't gonna be the same shit insurance you'll get from a retailer.You should thank a liberal for what you have some time. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:38:17 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:31:54 2014. "This past February, 60 percent of more than 5,000 doctors surveyed said the Obama health law would have a negative impact on patient care, while only 22 percent thought it would be positive. And more than half thought it would have a negative impact on their relationships with patients, while only 11 percent thought the doctor-patient relationship would be better. A startling 43 percent said the health care reform itself would likely lead them to retire over the next 5 years, and only 37 percent said that was an unlikely consequence of this law. It is worth repeating that sentiment to understand the impact of ObamaCare – it is viewed as being so destructive that almost half of doctors said they would “likely” soon retire directly because of the law itself."This may just be another WABB moment... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:39:22 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:31:54 2014. I suspect the doctors he's talking to are original "private practice" doctors with their own office and maybe one or two partners tops. The insurance companies and all the paperwork they required put the kibosh to those kind of doctors years ago, and forced them into "groups" ... groups don't pay as well as you could do hanging out your own shingle because the administrative costs are higher for groups.That's about the only complaint I can see and that was already happening before more people got insurance under Obamacare. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:41:24 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:36:28 2014. I think that you are missing the point. I know that I have excellent insurance and although I'm quite grateful for it, I also earned it as part of my compensation. What I'm criticizing is your statement that it came from the democrats when we both know that it came from a Republican Legislature and approved by a Republican Governor. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:42:27 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:38:17 2014. I would't trust a Forbes poll article as far as I could fling a one tomne ingot of gold. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:44:54 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:42:27 2014. Of course not. You wouldn't trust any source that doesn't support your incorrect points of view. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:45:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:39:22 2014. Most of the doctors I know are happier on salary, so they can focus on providing good care and they all get a piece of the group's action as well. So more patients means moar bonus. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:46:40 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:41:24 2014. Heh. That's why I enjoy your responses so much. Where did I say "democrat?" I said "liberal" ... ask Olog about how "conservative" Paturkey or the republican senate is/was ... ask Olog ... go ahead! :)And hate to break it to ya, but the Assembly remained democrat the whole time unless you want to paint Shelly Silver up as a republican now. :) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:54:24 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:44:54 2014. iawtlp. She does thinks the whole world should agree with her. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:54:51 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:41:24 2014. Who inherited a civil service system and all its accoutrements from previous DemocratIC administrations who ESTABLISHED it. That Paturkey was occupying space on the second floor is neither here nor there. He gave you nothing,same as he gave every other 99%er New Yorker. The MTA did under contract. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:55:41 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:39:22 2014. Aren't most doctors in private practice? |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:56:07 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:44:54 2014. When they stop weighting their polls then they may have a chance at credibility. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 20:00:07 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:55:41 2014. Nope ... the way it works nowadays is that they're in "group practice" ... a lot of older, smaller hospitals that closed became group practices with dozens or more doctors IN the group practice and the old smaller hospitals rented themselves out as office space and the big money maker, "outpatient" centers where minor surgeries are handled and you go home once you wake up. They also provide "urgent care" as a replacement for emergency room visits for minor treatments, leaving the big hospitals for 'trauma center" use.Hospitals themselves make use of these practices as well. The day of a single doctor and their own office are fading as surely as the days when a doctor would come to your house with their little black bag. Ask your doctors what they think of "group practices" ... this is an outgrowth of insurance companies and HMO's back in Reagan's day. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:01:13 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 19:46:40 2014. Are you saying that the Republicans are leftist? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:03:53 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 19:56:07 2014. Where is your unbiased source that confirms your point of view? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 20:10:05 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:01:13 2014. Apparently so ... like I said, just ask Olog. :)Bingbong also added some useful commentary here unless you believe that your bargaining unit was also full of republicans. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 20:10:51 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:54:24 2014. A fair and balanced view considering that the right thinks the same. :) |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 20:20:24 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 20:00:07 2014. I agree with you. But why did you have to ruin it by mentioning the name of the man who saved the republican party? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jun 1 20:22:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 20:20:24 2014. Because everything went to shit there when his kids took over. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:35:47 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jun 1 20:20:24 2014. He didn't save anything. that includes the US medical system. He was an addled criminal (see Iran, Contra) surrounded by the military industrial complex and RW evangelicals. He supported domestic terrorism.His people had him yapping about how HMOs will solve everyone's access to medical care by strictly limiting it. Which was how HMOs worked....you could see doctors only within their organization, and only see specialists with a referral from one's PCP. It was very unpopular, and the last time the republicans did anything about healthcare. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:39:43 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:03:53 2014. Google it. Plenty of results. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:41:31 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:39:43 2014. I already proved my point !! Just waiting for you to prove yours. So far all you have is crickets |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:45:00 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:41:31 2014. No you didn't. You linked to biased "information". |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:50:01 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:38:17 2014. That's also a really old article.Forbes, in a more recent pice, shows doctors in favor of ACA and its mandates. http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2013/07/17/doctors-still-back-obamacares-individual-mandate-despite-emboldened-gop/ From actual doctors thmselves http://www.drsforamerica.org/blog/why-physicians-support-the-aca |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 21:03:36 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:04:34 2014. That's because you've never gotten sick (or if you did, it wasn't expensive to deal with). |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 21:03:39 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 19:09:34 2014. You are claiming that there is a net zero gain in people covered by the US health care system...I claimed nothing of the sort. ...while the obamites claim that 30 million more people now have access to health care where they previously did not. Under the obama scenario, there has to be a net loss in health care coverage since they have done nothing to increase the healthcare infrastructure and personnel. I've already explained this quite succinctly; I'm not sure how much further I can dumb it down. OK, try this— which takes more health care resources, removing a small tumour from 30 million people, or a very lengthy hospital stay for 500,000 people to deal with late-stage cancer? You worked at Pitkin Yard, so here's an analogy. Suppose that the rush hour service requires 100 train cars. You are in charge of maintaining 150 decrepit R16s, keeping them just serviceable enough that 100 of them can go out on the road every rush hour. Then one day, the powers that be declare that service is being increased. Instead of having 100 trains on the road during rush hour, you'll need 130. They're not increasing your maintenance budget to accommodate— but they're taking away all of your decrepit R16s and replacing them with 150 brand-new R160s. That you need to keep 30 more trains operable for the same money is counterbalanced by all of the trains being that much cheaper to maintain. Similarly, the addition of 30 million people to the ranks of the covered (if it's actually the case) is counterbalanced by the fact that, with access to preventative health care and the ability to see a doctor when symptoms are minor, they will need far less health care. Under your scenario, if those 30 million already had access to health care, then what was the reason for the democratic party taking over the entire healthcare industry? "Taking over" is a strange way of saying "bailing out." In any case, you seem to be confusing care and coverage. Acess to care is the ability to see a doctor; access to coverage is having someone to pay the doctor for you, because you sure can't. The point that Fred made is that many of those 30 million already had technical access to health care but without health coverage they only sought it out once small problems became big and expensive— and then left the hospital to eat the bill. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:13:58 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Jun 1 19:17:21 2014. A majority of doctors are against it, according to surveys done in 2012 and 2013. Bingbong is (once again) trying at pass off her opinion as fact. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 1 22:14:04 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Train Dude on Sun Jun 1 20:01:13 2014. I'm saying that establishment Republicans are leftist. Because they are. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 1 22:14:30 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jun 1 17:00:36 2014. you trying to w1n this thr34d? |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:16:23 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:39:43 2014. I call Bullshit. Every poll result I've seen showed a majority of doctors are opposed to Obamacare. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:19:51 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki Resigns, posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 20:50:01 2014. From actual doctors thmselveshttp://www.drsforamerica.org/blog/why-physicians-support-the-aca Nothing there that shows what percentage of doctors support Obamacare. It's just the author's opinion. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 1 22:20:42 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki Resigns, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:19:51 2014. Heh, a lefty blog post. Nothing like astroturfing. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 22:36:51 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 1 22:14:04 2014. FAIL. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:46:49 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:13:58 2014. You RWers think Forbes an honest arbiter. I found a recent Forbes article (than what train dud found) that shows the majority of doctors DO support ACA. Got a problem with it? This is a RW publication, "your" people....... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:48:34 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:16:23 2014. Let's see some from responsible sources. Everything I find shows support. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:49:20 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki “Resigns”, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jun 1 22:20:42 2014. NO, a doctor's post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 23:51:06 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:48:34 2014. What's more reliable than a right-wing nut who declares that some anonymous dude says he's right? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 2 00:09:15 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:13:58 2014. Surveys done before it went into effect, based on what they were hearing from the righties on the radio and Faux News? Now that it's finally happening, they're not so upset any longer. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 2 00:12:33 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by Nilet on Sun Jun 1 22:36:51 2014. It's OK ... the two of them love taking turns driving the fail bus. :)
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 2 06:23:45 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:48:34 2014. Forbes isn't a reliable source? Uh huh. We all know any source you disagree with is not reliable. Why don't you tell us what "reliable sources" you're quoting from that show a majority of doctors support Obamacare? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jun 2 08:16:05 2014, in response to Re: Shinseki ''Resigns'', posted by bingbong on Sun Jun 1 23:48:34 2014. LOL!!!!! |
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